Catholic News! Nancy Pelosi Apparently Is Not One.
Catholic health-care providers in particular have long said they’d have to go out of business without the conscience protections that Pelosi says amount to letting hospitals “say to a woman, ‘I’m sorry you could die’ if you don’t get an abortion.” Those who dispute that characterization “may not like the language,’’ she said, “but the truth is what I said. I’m a devout Catholic and I honor my faith and love it . . . but they have this conscience thing’’ that she insists put women at physical risk, although Catholic providers strongly disagree.
This is worse than those people that fake military honors they've never received. Maybe Congress should pass a bill to prevent this kind of talk as well. And can somebody please tell Nancy where she can find an Anglican Church to go to?
In cheerier news: We just bought ourselves an official Cathedral for Orange County off Robert Schuller: You're better off reading about it in USA Today because the L.A. Times gave it a hideous negative Spin "Congregants Devastated By Church Sale." Talk about Debbie Downer. What about the Catholics? Maybe they're happy? O.C. has never had a proper Cathedral for it's Bishop.
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Jun '10
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Nancy Pelosi is entirely wrong (as usual), the Church values of the lives of both the mother and the child and insists that doctors do everything in their power to save both lives.
But even if she were right, "Mother's Health" was cited as the primary reason for 4% of abortions in the U.S. (and "Rape and Incest" for less than 0.5%). Can't we at least all agree that conscience clause protections should apply to the 1,000,000+ abortions every year that are not due to rape, incest, or risks to the mother's health?
Edited on Nov 22, 2011 at 6:02pmDec '10
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Joe and Joe,
I do know how you feel. I love it when the professional liberals show up at the orthodox synagogue. They haven't been to any synagogue in thirty years except to peddle cheap political influence. The honest religious person is there to do what one is supposed to do worship Gd. If you dare express a conservative political point of view suddenly you are accused of hurting the careers of these poor agnostic weasals.
Now to the issue. I am tired of pulling the punch. The Jewish point of view can be summed up quickly. Beyond the first forty days after conception, the only argument that allows abortion is a direct physical threat to the life of the women. The argument literally says the women has the right of 'self defense' in such a case. I do not intend to discuss my personal religious point of view which transcends these simple principles.
Rather I simply say that I stand with Joseph Stanko. Since we agree on 99 plus % of the cases why is the current law the current law??!! Why do we give the ultimate political parasite Nancy Palosi a chance to drive a wedge between us.
May '10
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I think I've asked you this before, James: Why forty days? What happens at forty days gestation that changes the moral status of the fetus from expendable to not-expendable?
Aug '10
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Schuller went bankrupt when he abandoned the Reformation for positive thinking, John Calvin for Norman Vincent Peale. That the church eventually followed suit, while unfortunate, was really inevitable.
There is a telling symbolism in the title history of that building.
Edited on Nov 22, 2011 at 7:54pmDec '10
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Joe Escalante
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This is worse than those people that fake military honors they've never received. Maybe Congress should pass a bill to prevent this kind of talk as well. And can somebody please tell Nancy where she can find an Anglican Church to go to?
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Ouch. Why would you wish Nancy Pelosi on our Anglican brothers and sisters?
What I wish is that the American bishops would find enough conviction of faith to excommunicate Nancy and the other public figures like her! She's already publicly excommunicated herself on many occasions. Why not make it official?!
Oct '11
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Ahem,
I believe you refer to rep pelosi being more at home in an Episcopalian church, no longer singularly synonymous with Anglican in America.
Dec '10
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katievs
I think I've asked you this before, James: Why forty days? What happens at forty days gestation that changes the moral status of the fetus from expendable to not-expendable? · Nov 22 at 7:37pm
Katievs, I answered a question with a question (my Rabbi did that to me once). Does life begin when the first amino group pair of dna from the sperm & the egg bonded or when the last pair is in place? Or. Does my view of ensoulment depend upon how much I know about the Pauling Theory of the Carbon Bond?
Sep '10
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Canesplitter: Ahem,
I believe you refer to rep pelosi being more at home in an Episcopalian church, no longer singularly synonymous with Anglican in America. · Nov 22 at 7:58pm
We don't want that old hag either.
Jun '10
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James Gawron
Katievs, I answered a question with a question (my Rabbi did that to me once). Does life begin when the first amino group pair of dna from the sperm & the egg bonded or when the last pair is in place? Or. Does my view of ensoulment depend upon how much I know about the Pauling Theory of the Carbon Bond? · Nov 22 at 8:11pm
I would say the last pair. If something goes wrong in the middle of the process you will have a non-viable i.e. dead organism.
As for ensoulment, is that germane to the question? My view is simple:
These are simple, elementary biological facts. The burden then falls on the pro-choice side to propose a rule whereby some people deserve rights and others do not. I claim everyone deserves rights.
Re: Catholic News! Nancy Pelosi Apparently Is Not One.
Two things:
1. I mean no disrespect to the Anglicans or Episcopalians, but she could at least get out of the way of the Pope and still pretend to be religious.
2. I know this is a hard one to swallow, but some would propose that if there is a rape, or danger to the health of the mother, harm has already occurred. Taking the life of a baby only makes it worse.
What would a saint do in either of these cases? Fortunately we have an answer, and we are all called to become saints. It's not reserved for the privileged.
Saint Gianna Beretta Molla was canonized in 2004 in the presence of the daughter she chose to give birth to even though she knew she would die without an abortion.
Sep '10
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The fact that she is so liberal is enough evidence to me that she is not a "devout Catholic", and i always find that kind of talk by politicians like her condescending and offensive.
Jan '11
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I agree with the previous comments, but indulge me to add three notes:
Jan '11
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As for the Cathedral, I think it shows again that the calculations of religious "wealth" are terribly misleading. Having a crystal cathedral will go on the books as a huge asset, but such assets are almost never transferable. Occasionally you hear people wonder why, with all its wealth, some church doesn't just sell its assets and give the money away to the poor; it's because they can't. The best they can hope for is to tear the building down before selling the property, but the cost of demolition wipes out any profit.
If you want to build a new church these days, you almost have to make it modular, so that if finances go bad or the community changes, you can remove the "sacred" parts easily, and sell the remaining edifice to be used for something else.
Mar '11
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I actually thought the Cathedral was a great purchase although I am not a catholic myself. A church which architecturally rivals, from a modern standpoint, anything in Europe. All though I agree the money spent on church building is absurd in churches, this is one case were est 5.5M+ Catholics living in LA area can be proud. They did not spend a lot for something they most likely needed.
May '10
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Hmm. I've never seen it in person, so I'll withhold final judgment, but from the pictures it's always seemed vulgar to me. Is that fair?
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Fredösphere
Hmm. I've never seen it in person, so I'll withhold final judgment, but from the pictures it's always seemed vulgar to me. Is that fair? · Nov 23 at 7:23am
I thought it gaudy in person. And I haven't seen it since I was 7 years old or so.
May '10
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Doesn't LA already have a kinda new Our Lady of the Angels Catholic Cathedral? Or am I missing something here and there is a bishop of Orange County, or similar prelate, in need of this glass aircraft hanger. Also does the Archdiocese also get the adjacent Prayer Tower, (not sure what you would do with it, but like the design) .
Leave the poor Anglican church alone, we have Archbishop Dr Rowan Williams which is enough of a hinderance to the faithful with his ecumenical non-judgemental embrace of fashionable theologies. Pelosi can join the Rajneeshees given her preference for bright orange and red coloured dress.
My heart goes out to this mother who has just lost both her babies,
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/medical-bungle-at-royal-womens-hospital-kills-healthy-fetus/story-fn7x8me2-1226204091220
Edited on Nov 23, 2011 at 7:51amRe: Catholic News! Nancy Pelosi Apparently Is Not One.
KC Mulville: I agree with the previous comments, but indulge me to add three notes: · Nov 23 at 4:20am
Amen.
Aug '10
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Western Chauvinist
Joe Escalante
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This is worse than those people that fake military honors they've never received. Maybe Congress should pass a bill to prevent this kind of talk as well. And can somebody please tell Nancy where she can find an Anglican Church to go to?
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Ouch. Why would you wish Nancy Pelosi on our Anglican brothers and sisters?
Yeah, we have enough problems like that already.
Feb '11
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I hate to be the naysayer, the snopes-checker as it were, but I'm not sure it is accurate to say that St. Gianna Beretta Molla "knew she would die without an abortion. " The facts of her story are a little different, but still inspriational.
She, herself a physician, was diagnosed with a uterine tumor. Abortion was recommended so that the operation could proceed. She knew it was possible that she and the baby would not survive, but she placed it all in the hands of the Lord. She refused the abortion and had the operation. It appeared to be successful and she continued gestating until her daughter was born. At that time, her uterus tore. Without antibiotics available, sepsis set in and after several days of intense suffering she died.
She was canonized for her devout holiness, testified to by those who knew her, as well as her own diaries, writings, letters, etc. She wrote humblingly beautiful letters to her husband during their engagement. She organized and led youth groups, often speaking about faith. The requisite investigation, complete with miracles, was done before her canonization. St. Gianna Molla, ora pro nobis!