Can Anyone Help Me Make Sense of This Video, Allegedly Recently Filmed in Iran?
Update: Our reader Tristan Abbey points out that this video ran on France24 about a year and a half ago. Here's their story about it.
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I don't have the knowledge or language skills to evaluate this. Here's what I know about it: It was posted on Facebook in one of the groups I belong to, one with news from the Middle East that is sometimes accurate and sometimes not. It was posted with these words:
I was sent this rare video which wasn't broadcast in any mainstream media yet. 3 Ahwazi people in the Arabs Ahwaz area of Iran were saved by the people from being hanged by Iranian police. There is news of an uprising about to start in Ahwaz these days but there is no media coverage yet. Ahwazi people have been calling for freedom & justice for years but were always violently silenced.
Here is the video:
If what he's saying is right, some media coverage would be warranted. Who here can translate?
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May '10
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Wow! Let's hope that the two guys cut down survived and will recover. Let's hope this does get coverage.
Mar '11
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Are you sure they were saved? I'm no expert, but i was under the impression that hanging, done correctly, snaps your neck and you would likely suffocate or die pretty quickly.
Aug '10
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I lived in Ahwaz for 2 years when the Shah was in power. It was always said "there is Teheran and there is the rest of Iran." I hope for "the rest of Iran" that they will be able to reclaim their country one day.
Aug '10
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That's true in the Western style of hanging, where we drop a man from a platform and his neck snaps when the rope goes taught. The Iranians raise the victim from the ground (often using cranes) so they are strangled. It's a much slower and more painful way to die, but it does mean that you could be rescued if cut down within a minute or two.
Mar '11
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Claire:
My relatives are Iranian, but I never learned Farsi! I do know that the Arabs in Ahwaz have always been rebellious against the Mullahs (and quite possibly the Shah), so there is nothing particularly new here, but a small glimmer of hope.
BakerJW:
The Iranian technique of hanging people from cranes involves lifting them slowly, so their necks are not broken and they take longer to suffocate to death - this happens pretty much every day in Iran, without media coverage, outrage or threats of Kinetic Military Action from the West (or even non-Kinetic non-Military Action, other than Smart Diplomacy). Probably because only a few people die each day (not to mention the ones being tortured in prison).
Samantha Power and Jimmy Carter were unavailable for comment, and Jimmy Carter 2.0 was busy fundraising, insulting Paul Ryan and playing Golf.
Edited on April 15, 2011 at 6:34pmMay '10
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This may be old news. I have a vague memory of this story, I would guess from about a year ago, give or take.
Jun '10
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Long drop hanging snaps the neck. What is required is about a 1000 ft lbs of torque. that is calculated by multiplying the weight of the victim to be hanged by the length of the drop. For example: if a man weights 200 lbs he must be dropped 5 feet (200 lbs X 5 ft. = 1000 ft. lbs torque or force). The size of the neck also plays a role as do the noose and knot. The noose is measured at some 13.5 inches (added to the required drop length), while the knot, sometimes replaced with a thick ring as in the case of Saddam Hussein, forces the head forward bending the neck so that the rope can actually snap the neck.Too short a drop and the victim strangles; too long a drop and the victim is decapitated.
Jun '10
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P.S. What the Iranians do is lynch, they do not hang. Also, grammatically speaking pictures and meat are hung, men are hanged.
Jan '11
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Video is about a year and a half old. France24 ran a story about it. Apparently the two people being executed were robbers and the incident took place in Sirjan (southern Iran), which is about 600 miles from Ahwaz (western Iran).
Edited on April 15, 2011 at 7:02pmRe: Can Anyone Help Me Make Sense of This Video, Allegedly Recently Filmed in Iran?
Tristan Abbey: Video is about a year and a half old. France24 ran a story about it. Apparently the two people being executed were robbers and the incident took place in Sirjan (southern Iran), which is about 600 miles from Ahwaz (western Iran). · Apr 15 at 10:01am
Edited on Apr 15 at 10:02 am
Tristan, thank you. I'm going to post this as an update.
Mar '11
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Cas,
Yes, I was thinking the Iranian style of hanging would have been more appropriate for Saddam. Or maybe he should have been fed, feet-first, through a plastic shredder, as he did his people.
Iraq is one country where the West finally acted, after hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of deaths. And look at all the gratitude we got for that ... oh, wait...
Oct '10
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Thanks Cas, for that most informative post. I think I'll go sit in a dark room now. Don't bother calling me for dinner.