Birthers Reborn?
I’m not a “Birther,” although I’ve been labeled as one by various websites based upon a column I wrote called “Obama’s To Blame For the Birther Movement.” I was also called a racist for writing it. Left wing civility.
I take the President at his word that he’s a Hawaiian. However, I can’t for the life of me figure out why he spends tens of thousands of dollars and man hours fighting lawsuits to not show his birth certificate, when he can win them for free by showing it. I don’t care what his offered rationale is (the Birthers still won’t believe him, etc). No excuse for not showing his birth certificate is more important than money.
My point of course is that whatever remains of the Birther movement is the fault of the President, who could rub them into irrelevancy for good by the simple act of waiving his birth certificate in front of a judge. Most people wish he would.
Since every court so far has ruled the President doesn’t have to show his birth certificate, I figured the Birther movement would forever be relegated to the conspiracy dust bin of lingering history along with Oliver Stone’s Kennedy assassination fantasies.
Now cue the Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie, who recently revived the dead controversy for the stated purpose of killing it. I imagine he did so much to the annoyance of the Commander in Chief.
Abercrombie, a Democrat, says he knew the President’s parents, and says he was “here when he was born.” Wow. There when he was born? That’s some close friend!
Abercrombie vowed to finally put the matter to rest. He promised to show the world Obama’s pacific island birth certificate, and as Governor, he certainly has the access to get it done. Hallelujah!
So far, he can’t find it. Good grief! I must admit I find this amusing. I can only imagine the President, face planted deep in his palm, is not so amused.
Despite fear of being called a Birther, a racist, Goebbels or any other name the vitriol-free left will call me, I ask simply – should this development, coming straight from a high member of the President’s own party as it does, allow the Birthers new life?
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Sep '10
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The controversy is good for Obama. The Left is able to smear large swaths of their political opposition as "Birthers". It is probably a pretty effective tactic for luring in the precious "Independents". They are reasonable, and moderate, and certainly want nothing to do with Racist Birthers on the Right.
Dec '10
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A few years ago, my husband accompanied me on a trip to England. He had to get a passport first.
When he applied for a passport, we were told that his 'birth record,' from a hospital in Pittsburgh (which we had) wasn't good enough.
He had to go down to State office building, stand in line, show a bunch of ID, and get a certified copy of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE in order to order and receive a passport.
I retired six months ago. I had to provide the orginal, or a certified copy of my BIRTH CERTIFICATE (not a certificate of live birth or a birth record) in order to receive my retirement benefits.
It seems to me that people are required to produce their actual birth certificates all the time in order to move to the next space on the game board.
Since it's a job requirement, I cannot for the life of me understand why it's not mandatory that Presidents produce theirs. Just as I always had to provide my green card, or produce a drivers license to prove that I could drive, when I had a job that required a car.
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Mark a comment over on my Facebook posting of this made the same point as you - calling this a "false flag" operation.
May '10
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She:
Since it's a job requirement, I cannot for the life of me understand why it's not mandatory that Presidents produce theirs. Just as I always had to provide my green card, or produce a drivers license to prove that I could drive, when I had a job that required a car.
Agreed.
I vaguely recall Scopes or some other fact-checking site claiming that Obama's birth certificate was already made available for verification at some point. I'm wary of sites like that, but dismissed the controversy more because Obama was the de facto President one way or the other.
Oct '10
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The dog ate it seems about the level of defence and I absolutely don't understand what is so difficult about producing a document which everyone else routinely produces. That is, I agree completely.
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Aaron Miller
Agreed.
I vaguely recall Scopes or some other fact-checking site claiming that Obama's birth certificate was already made available for verification at some point.
What was made available was a document drafted in 2007 called a "certificate of live birth." In plain terms, it is a certification from the sitting clerk that a real birth certificate does exist.
Which begs the question - then why not show the real one?
The response (a strawman) is that the certification is accepted in Hawaiin court as legal. Yes it is. But it was still drafted in 2007, so it doesn't answer the question, why not show the one from 1961?
May '10
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Ahh, thanks.
Mark's theory sounds better than any other I've heard.
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Aaron Miller: Ahh, thanks.
Mark's theory sounds better than any other I've heard. · Jan 20 at 1:08pm
Agreed. Because of the way it is presented the President always comes off looking better than those asking the question. Also, I'm still betting he was born in Hawaii anyway.
But I'm not sure that false flag was Governor Abercrombie's intention. I'm betting he actually thought there was a Certificate that he could order up through the State's inter-office mail system in about a day, and now that there is a snag, he's got some egg on his face.
Jul '10
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Due to my world view I can't explain what Im about to say but, some how the left needs this issue. Enough that will pay to keep it in play. Im not sure what the return on investment is.
Mr. Biden as VP has a similar feel. Some how the left thinks he's a great communicator. When in fact he's really just GAFFtacular
Not sure about my last point I just wanted to write GAFFtacular!
Jul '10
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oops I should have read Mark post. Hes right.
GAFFtacular!
Oct '10
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I don't think it's a false flag operation. I figure that Obama's birth certificate must contain some embarrassing (but not disqualifying) information, which is why it stays hidden. I think that may also be the reason why he has never released his college transcripts.
May '10
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That's exactly what I was just about to write. Therefore, I think this is the best explanation. :-)
Jul '10
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Beyond the immediate circumstances of Obama, I'm much more interested in why there is evidently no requirement for someone seeking office to actually provide these documents as proof of eligibility before they are even allowed on a ballot. The states appear to have abdicated their responsibility to check and left it to the political parties under the assumption they wouldn't put forward an ineligible candidate. It would appear that rather than setting the bar too low, we have no bar at all for proving one's eligibility, with no way to legally contest someone's eligibility if they refuse to provide it. Shouldn't the burden be on the office seeker to prove his eligibility? After all, he's choosing to run for office not being conscripted.
Oct '10
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Andrea Ryan
That's exactly what I was just about to write. Therefore, I think this is the best explanation. :-) · Jan 20 at 1:40pm
You are a woman of exquisite tastes and flawless logic. :)
Sep '10
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Care to speculate? I'm wondering what could possibly be so embarrassing.
I absolutely agree on the college transcripts.
Jun '10
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Here's the part I don't get: his mother was a citizen by birth, right? So even if for the sake of argument he was born in Kenya, he would still be a citizen by virtue of his mother's citizenship, and therefore a "natural born Citizen" and eligible to be president. He's eligible either way, so why all the fuss? Am I missing something here?
Jun '10
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Aaron Miller
She:
Since it's a job requirement, I cannot for the life of me understand why it's not mandatory that Presidents produce theirs. Just as I always had to provide my green card, or produce a drivers license to prove that I could drive, when I had a job that required a car.
Agreed.......
According to Judge Andrew Napolitano, when a person wins the Electoral College vote, that's when they present their proof of age and birthplace to a congressional clerk, usually in the form of a US passport. I assume that's what Obama did. I believe that's all that recent Presidents have done--submit a valid US passport for inspection. If you obtained a US passport, then you must've gotten it with some valid birth record that contained all the necessary information. That's the assumption. And as long as your parent was not a government representative (or monarch) of another nation, it's a myth that citizenship of the parent matters. It doesn't. If the parent is just a normal citizen of some other country, and no more official than that, then it doesn't affect the child's status.
Oct '10
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No, I do not think it works that way but I do not have the facts. Isn't that what the stink about "natural born citizen" is with illegal immigrants? They are citizens of their respective country but since they are born within our borders, they are "citizens by birthright." I believe that if you are born in another country to parents who are not citizens there, you are a citizen of the place of your birth first and have the option to apply for citizenship of your parents' country. Someone please correct me if that is wrong.
Edited on Jan 20, 2011 at 3:02pmOct '10
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etoiledunord
Aaron Miller
She:
Since it's a job requirement, I cannot for the life of me understand why it's not mandatory that Presidents produce theirs. Just as I always had to provide my green card, or produce a drivers license to prove that I could drive, when I had a job that required a car.
Agreed.......
According to Judge Andrew Napolitano, when a person wins the Electoral College vote, that's when they present their proof of age and birthplace to a congressional clerk, usually in the form of a US passport. I assume that's what Obama did.
Would it be hard to find out when and where the passport was issued and the documents furnished to meet the requirements? I would never call myself a "birther" and had not given much thought to the "controversy" until I read some of the common-sense questions/issues raised on this thread.
May '10
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Mark Belling Fan
Care to speculate? I'm wondering what could possibly be so embarrassing.
I absolutely agree on the college transcripts. · Jan 20 at 2:02pm
If I can remember, on my Birth Certificate it lists my parents as Roman Catholic. Maybe his lists his parents as Muslim or Atheist. We already know his father was Muslim, but maybe he just doesn't want something on paper showing his name and the category of Muslim or Atheist. ??
The college transcripts is a no-brainer. If they were "A"s we'd be seeing them. More important are his college writings.