Bad news for Mitt Romney
Michael Tee ·
January 5, 2012 at 8:20pm
Saw this on Twitter. It's fairly...devastating.
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Comments:
Dec '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Misthiocracy
Guruforhire
Misthiocracy
Guruforhire
Misthiocracy
Guruforhire
Fair enough. I dont think you would like a bald eagle that ate your kitten much either.
You might still vote for that bald eagle if it promises to repeal Obamacare.
Would help if the promise was believable, and not from an unscrupulous weasel that will say anything.
Point of order! The question was about a bald eagle, not a weasel.
OK as long as the bald eagle is in fact a bald eagle and not a weasel who says he is a bald eagle. I have been appropriately called out.
If I ever meet a weasel that manages to convince me that it's a bald eagle then forget the White House, that weasel should get a job as a super-spy with the C.I.A.!
What the hell were we talking about? · Jan 5 at 6:01pm
Probably the worst torturing of a metaphor with an abuse of taxonomy that would make gingrich blush.
Apr '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
EThompson
James Of England:
A big part of the "no bailouts" message is "sometimes companies ought to fail". Why? Because the money to rescue them should be going into successful companies that create jobs and other resources to expand America's future.
I would argue that "sometimes companies ought to fail" simply because they cannot provide a competitive product- period. In a free market, there is no such thing as a successful company that needs to be rescued from anything but excessive regulation. · Jan 5 at 4:37pm
Sorry, to be clear, we're agreeing, right? Except I guess I'd say that a company that would be successful with better regulation is not a successful company. You're bolding my line in a way that makes me doubt if I was clear: I think that the government should keep its hands off the money, meaning that the market will channel it towards productive use.
Dec '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
James Of England
EThompson
James Of England:
A big part of the "no bailouts" message is "sometimes companies ought to fail". Why? Because the money to rescue them should be going into successful companies that create jobs and other resources to expand America's future.
I would argue that "sometimes companies ought to fail" simply because they cannot provide a competitive product- period. In a free market, there is no such thing as a successful company that needs to be rescued from anything but excessive regulation. · Jan 5 at 4:37pm
Sorry, to be clear, we're agreeing, right?
Yes, and thanks for clarifying. I was worried we might be having a disagreement! :-)
Dec '10
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
DrewInWisconsin
Richard Young
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Like I said above, I think we kid ourselves when we believe that the general public doesn't sympathize with the Occupy protests.
But do you really think Romney has the ability to effectively communicate to Americans why this isn't a fair assessment of the situation?
The repeated assertion that he's holding back now so he can fire all cannons during the general just doesn't wash with me. · Jan 5 at 12:26pm
In fairness to Romney, he handled the Occupiers at his meeting in NH pretty well, as covered extensively by the Salem Radio hosts today.
I also think it is unwise to try to pick the candidate who we hope will be least savaged by the Demoncrats/MSM. They always savage our candidates. Remember Dubya?
No, I'm looking for the candidate who can 1) explain and 2) persuade. Preferably with some charisma and passion while he's doing it. Romney comported himself well in these ways today. And, in case you didn't know already, I'm not in the Romney camp... yet.
Sep '10
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
I find Romney to be loathsome, but this would be a good counterattack given some $$$ to run the ads. It will be $800M of laid off dude ads against whatever Romney could scrape together from a Republican base that doesn't love him. It could be pretty ugly.
May '10
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
I'm way late to this thread, but why exactly should Romney fear being a capitalist? This actually enhances his appeal for me. It shows me he is smart and aggressive. It's sad when people are laid off, but it's not the concern of government. I think voters are smarter than this condescending hit piece. I'm betting that this is one old 60's battle we do not need to fight over again.
Jan '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Xennady
LowcountryJoe
If you'll agree to this qualifier then what I would want to know is whether or not our consumer choices and purchasing power improved. Assuming that the economic actions were made rationally and with self interest, I have no doubt that economically the United States would be stronger and that consumer choices and purchasing power would have improved.
We don't have to conjure up any hypothetical. We can just ask the same question and set the date at 2000, for example.
Was the US in a better position then or now?
I say no, for a myriad of reasons. · Jan 5 at 2:52pm
Dang! I knew you had the anti-foreign, anti-market, and the make-work biases. What I didn't know is that you have the pessimistic bias, as well. Maybe that's what you meant by the "myriad of reasons".
Dec '10
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Western Chauvinist
I also think it is unwise to try to pick the candidate who we hope will be least savaged by the Demoncrats/MSM. They always savage our candidates. Remember Dubya?
No, I'm looking for the candidate who can 1) explain and 2) persuade. Preferably with some charisma and passion while he's doing it. Romney comported himself well in these ways today. And, in case you didn't know already, I'm not in the Romney camp... yet.
That's the key. All of the candidates need to anticipate the MSM smear campaign coming their way and to put together the messaging they will use to blunt the myriad attacks coming their way.
Dec '10
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
K T Cat
I find Romney to be loathsome, but this would be a good counterattack given some $$$ to run the ads. It will be $800M of laid off dude ads against whatever Romney could scrape together from a Republican base that doesn't love him. It could be pretty ugly.
Romney needs to anticipate the STAPLES example being used against him.
If I am war-gaming this for Romney, I anticipate an Obama ad with former owners of mom-and-pop office supply stores describing how STAPLES and other big box chain stores opened in their towns and devastated Main Street. And at the other end of the ad, or in a bookend ad, GM auto workers talk about how Obama had faith in them and saved their jobs.
Martial artists know: Every assumed strength can be exploited as a weakness.
Dec '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
"Mitt Romney doesn't care about jobs; he cares about money."
Umm...NLRB dude... they're one and the same!
Apr '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
K T Cat
I find Romney to be loathsome, but this would be a good counterattack given some $$$ to run the ads. It will be $800M of laid off dude ads against whatever Romney could scrape together from a Republican base that doesn't love him. It could be pretty ugly. ·
I've heard a lot of criticisms against Romney, but it's been a long time since I've heard that he couldn't fundraise! I think some time in the Summer, someone said that it was all his own money, but since correcting that (none of it is his money, at least not so far), I've not seen it suggested again. The Republican base with money likes Romney plenty. Plus, with Romney the nominee, the focus will all be on Obama, and plenty of grassroots folk will be glad to give to be rid of him.
Apr '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Stuart Creque
Romney needs to anticipate the STAPLES example being used against him.
If I am war-gaming this for Romney, I anticipate an Obama ad with former owners of mom-and-pop office supply stores describing how STAPLES and other big box chain stores opened in their towns and devastated Main Street. And at the other end of the ad, or in a bookend ad, GM auto workers talk about how Obama had faith in them and saved their jobs.
Martial artists know: Every assumed strength can be exploited as a weakness. · Jan 5 at 8:51pm
I don't think they want to draw too much attention to the STAPLES revolution. There are too many people whose lives it improved enough to notice, but it's a little long to tell in a 30 second ad. If they ran ads specifically on that, Romney would have an angle to talk about it at length on the news without being overly boastful. Plus the other STAPLES founders and such; there's a goldmine there for Romney that lacks a delivery mechanism until that point (he talks about it in his books and such, but that's more narrowcasting).
Sep '10
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Stuaer Creque:"If I am war-gaming this for Romney, I anticipate an Obama ad with former owners of mom-and-pop office supply stores describing how STAPLES and other big box chain stores opened in their towns and devastated Main Street. And at the other end of the ad, or in a bookend ad, GM auto workers talk about how Obama had faith in them and saved their jobs" If demonizing STAPLES is the best counter then, er, bring it on! (forgive me) The demonizing of big box stores is quite overrated and ineffective with the public, particularly this is about jobs. The STAPLES employs more people from the same town as the mom and pop so if we're talking about employing people as a major campaign theme I think Romney and STAPLES should be quite easy to defend over the mom and pop stationary store that employs the owners and some part-timers.
Apr '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Duane Oyen
Joseph Stanko
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For instance, what if a dispute over Taiwan escalated to a point that China imposed a trade embargo, what effect would that have on our economy? Would our military be able to order all the parts they need in sufficient quantities from other sources? Is that something at all worth worrying about?
This scenario would have far less effect on us than it would on China....
I don't understand your point, Duane. That China would refuse to embargo us because they are too rational? Elaborate, please.
Feb '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
LowcountryJoe
Dang! I knew you had the anti-foreign, anti-market, and the make-work biases. What I didn't know is that you have the pessimistic bias, as well. Maybe that's what you meant by the "myriad of reasons". ·
I can't help but notice that you didn't even claim I was wrong.
And what I meant by myriad of reasons was the vast budget deficit, unpayable national debt, horrific health care law, vastly expanded welfare rolls, all topped off by my experience living in Michigan most of my life.
As I think I've seen you say it's not going to end well.
Jan '12
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Todd
I am just very uncomfortable with this idea that we need to subsidize manufacturing. Manufacturing as a percentage of the US economy is declining, but manufacturing as a percentage of the global economy is declining. It's a global phenomenon, and it's a sign of our prosperity, not decline. · Jan 5 at 7:45am
We don't want manufacturing, it is not good for the economy at all. From what I've read of Santorum, how is he not just a conservative statist? Interesting point on Transom about how he is a selective populist.
Feb '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
I used to work at a steel mill, and I think Romney should be proud of his part in turning the moribund carcass of Armco into the success of AK steel.
Proud of it as a businessman, that is. Voters tolerate job losses, but don't regard firing people as something to cheer about.
No, lectures about market forces won't help. Plus every American voter has it all before, often. The shtick has gotten old.
We've got a depression level unemployment problem. Worse, everyone has noticed that the talk about market forces ends as soon as those forces touch someone the government really cares about. So right now we have a bill before congress to obliterate the internet with the goal to save Hollywood from piracy. Yet that same industry will sell DVDs in some places overseas for $1 because certain foreign governments don't care about it. And don't get me started about about prescription drugs.
Bottom line: The US government has a problem in the same way the French government of Louis XVI had a problem. People are tired of lectures about market forces, followed by the government bailing out campaign contributors.
Do better, DC.
Jan '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Xennady
LowcountryJoe
Dang! I knew you had the anti-foreign, anti-market, and the make-work biases. What I didn't know is that you have the pessimistic bias, as well. Maybe that's what you meant by the "myriad of reasons". ·
I can't help but notice that you didn't even claim I was wrong.
And what I meant by myriad of reasons was the vast budget deficit, unpayable national debt, horrific health care law, vastly expanded welfare rolls, all topped off by my experience living in Michigan most of my life.
As I think I've seen you say it's not going to end well. · Jan 6 at 6:26am
It's your opinion; how could it be wrong? I don't share your opinion and would answer differently. I'm not sure how others would answer your hypothetical but given this, I'd have to say that you would have more company than I would. I'm hoping to change that...at least within Ricochet population.
Jan '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
Alvin Mullins
Todd
I am just very uncomfortable with this idea that we need to subsidize manufacturing. Manufacturing as a percentage of the US economy is declining, but manufacturing as a percentage of the global economy is declining. It's a global phenomenon, and it's a sign of our prosperity, not decline. · Jan 5 at 7:45am
We don't want manufacturing, it is not good for the economy at all. From what I've read of Santorum, how is he not just a conservative statist? Interesting point on Transom about how he is a selective populist. · Jan 6 at 7:08am
I sense a straw man. "Yes" or "no", is that what you sincerely believe?
May '11
Re: Bad news for Mitt Romney
The next thing you know we'll be hearing about how Calvin Coolidge closed buggy-whip factories.