emory king · Jan 30 at 5:32am

I have not and will not post anything in support of a candidate for president. They all pass the Daffy Duck test for me and therefore will receive my vote once they secure the nomination. (The Daffy Duck test, by the way, is are they smarter than Daffy Duck and are they not named Obama.) However, pundits assailing Newt are getting on my nerves. Not because he isn't worthy of criticism, (he is) but because they are trying to tell me he isn't a conservative. Really. Where exactly were these folks in the eighties and nineties? I was alive then and can't recall anyone telling me Newt wasn't a conservative then. If Newt isn't conservative, why was he used as an example of how the left tries to destroy its opponents in Ann's book Treason. I quote from page 123 of my copy, " The left's enthusiasm for destroying individual lives still sputters to life occasionally, driving their monumental crusades against Newt Gingrich, Ken Starr, and Linda Tripp, for example." If people don't want to support Newt for president, I certainly understand why. He isn't perfect by a long shot. But please don't sit here and tell me he isn't on our side of the fence because most of his critics among the chattering class loved the guy in 1994.

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Haakon Dahl

I agree with you even to the point of abstraction.  Ann, ____ your____.

Pilli
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Pilli

It would seem that the bar for measuring Conservatism changes based on __________.

I would say fill in the blank but that would take us over the 200 word limit.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

The defense of Romney by his supporters amongst the chattering class is beginning to sound like:

"He's the town leper with the most fingers" combined with "don't look behind the curtain."

While I'm not the kind of cat to bite the hand that feeds me, I'm curious enough to want to look behind the curtain as soon as someone tells me there's nothing to see there.

Albert Arthur
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Albert Arthur

I'm getting annoyed with Gingrich supporters accusing Romney supporters of not being conservative enough. I've variously heard Ann Coultor described as a RINO and Matt Drudge as "establishment."

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

 Perhaps some of the support Newt gets is based on the idiocy of the attacks against him. I haven't made up my mind yet, but every time I see the complete silliness of the things said against Newt it makes me look a little bit closer.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

I thought you all might be interested in the story from today's New York Times saying that Jeb Bush refuses to endorse anyone, even though he's been courted actively.

It has not been for a lack of effort by Mr. Romney, who has made phone calls, traded e-mails and met privately to try to win over Mr. Bush. The campaign was poised to make him a national co-chairman, a role Mr. Bush would have shared with Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, but several Republicans familiar with the offer say it was declined. As the center of Republican politics has once again returned to Florida, with Mr. Romney and Mr. Gingrich making final appeals to voters across the state on Sunday, Mr. Bush has been noticeably — and, several friends say, purposefully — absent from the conversation.


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Ed G.
Albert Arthur: I'm getting annoyed with Gingrich supporters accusing Romney supporters of not being conservative enough. I've variously heard Ann Coultor described as a RINO and Matt Drudge as "establishment." · 0 minutes ago

Albert, my take is that Gingrich supporters don't necessarily think that Romney supporters are insufficiently conservative (though surely many of them do think that). Rather, they think that Romney's professed conservatism isn't completely trustworthy and that - maybe most important - the Romney people place too much emphasis on the "electability" portion of Buckley's famous maxim.


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James Of England
The King Prawn:  Perhaps some of the support Newt gets is based on the idiocy of the attacks against him. I haven't made up my mind yet, but every time I see the complete silliness of the things said against Newt it makes me look a little bit closer. · 1 minute ago
emory king: ...[P]lease don't sit here and tell me he isn't on our side of the fence because most of his critics among the chattering class loved the guy in 1994.   · · 23 minutes ago

Like Nixon, Newt made the left mad. Like Nixon, he had some very conservative views. Like Nixon, he had some terribly liberal views. Like Nixon, he would, in many ways, be better than Obama.

Nonetheless "my liberal neighbour's enemy is my candidate" is a poor rule of thumb; most liberals would rather have had Newt than Kim Jong il or David Duke, but I'm happy that Juche isn't a platform in the GOP primaries. For an example from between Newt's periods of prominence, Buchanan 2000 was the less preferred choice for both conservatives and liberals.

Israel Pickholtz
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Israel P.

James Of England 

Like Nixon, he would, in many ways, be better than Obama.

Can we get this as a bumper sticker?


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Haakon Dahl
Albert Arthur: I'm getting annoyed with Gingrich supporters accusing Romney supporters of not being conservative enough. I've variously heard Ann Coultor described as a RINO and Matt Drudge as "establishment." · 26 minutes ago

Perhaps you have not heard Coulter's shrieking unhinged attempts to square the circle on Romney.  Hie thee hence to Podcast #101.

show BD's comment (#11)

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BD

This is like saying don't tell me David Frum has moved left because he wrote "Dead Right". He has moved left since then and so has Newt. Four years ago, apologists for McCain were citing his ACU Rating from the 1980s. I don't care. Unless you can get a time machine and bring back 1990s Newt(preferably the one who hadn't cheated on his wife yet), what he did back then is not relevant.

David Williamson
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David Williamson

Either Daffy Duck or the Syphilitic Camel would be fine with me.

 Unfortunately, they ain't running. 

I have been disappointed by Ms Coulter and Mr Drudge, but I wouldn't call them Rino squishes. They are trying to come to terms with the fact that a conservative Daffy Duck is not running, and promoting who they consider most likely to beat (metaphorically) Mr Obama.

As Mr Delingpole rightly points out below, and Rob pointed out in the latest Podcast, Mr Obama is probably gonna win, anyway.

Fwiw, I'm probably gonna vote for Mr Santorum in the AZ Primary - he is clearly the most conservative candidate - way better than Daffy Duck.

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emory king
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emory king
BD: This is like saying don't tell me David Frum has moved left because he wrote "Dead Right". He has moved left since then and so has Newt. Four years ago, apologists for McCain were citing his ACU Rating from the 1980s. I don't care. Unless you can get a time machine and bring back 1990s Newt(preferably the one who hadn't cheated on his wife yet), what he did back then is not relevant. · 12 minutes ago

BD,  My point isn't that Newt hasn't moved left.  My point is I find it dishonest that folks in the chattering class take Newt's apostasies as disqualifying but ignore greater ones committed by Romney.  Romney gives his state Obamacare and still supports it.  Disowned Reagan, and supported Roe v Wade.  I'm told to ignore all of that by folks like Ann.  Meanwhile, I'm told that Newt sitting on a couch with Pelosi, which he admitted was a mistake, makes him a liberal.  Just don't by it.  Has he moved left?  Maybe.  Is he a liberal? No.      

Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist

I'm hoping ya'll can enjoy the absurdity of the situation with me, rather than it making you depressed. In 2008 around this time, Democrats were at each other hammer and tong over whether to nominate Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, both of whom were more electable than John McCain. To say we have slim pickin's this year is a laughable understatement, which is why I'm holding out hope for the alternate, Rick Santorum... but, not much.

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Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

Western Chauvinist: I'm hoping ya'll can enjoy the absurdity of the situation with me, rather than it making you depressed. In 2008 around this time, Democrats were at each other hammer and tong over whether to nominate Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, both of whom were more electable than John McCain. To say we have slim pickin's this year is a laughable understatement, which is why I'm holding out hope for the alternate, Rick Santorum... but, not much. · 11 minutes ago

Edited 10 minutes ago

The Chris Christie "panties in a wad" zinger by Ms. Palin has provided one of the few moments of levity to distract from the spectacle of a bull loose in a lingerie shop.

jeffp
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jeffp

Andrew Ferguson is one conservative writer who's been consistent (and hilarious) in critiquing Gingrich's grandiosity and reliance on "gibberish . . . processed and tested in focus groups," spanning the period from 1997 to last June.

genferei
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genferei

I have been amazed by the readiness with which proponents or opponents of a candidate will impugn the motives and morals of those who disagree with them. Thank heavens for James Delingpole's musical podcast, or I'd be tempted to turn even Ricochet off...

<turns up Scrillex>

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EJHill
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Anon

All of this support for Romney as a candidate for nomination is sort of silly - actually, it is silly.  He couldn't possibly win a national election.  Obama will simply smile at him and ask why he's not running on the Democratic ticket, because that's where his record suggests he should be.  Don't believe that?  Ask George Soros who tells us that, politically, Romney and Obama are essentially the same.  Obama will play the "We're both the same" card in debates, and Romney's record has him stuck with that truth. 

Then add Romney's religion.  To our shame, there are some conservatives who will not vote for a Mormon, and perhaps that will be enough to make a difference.

Romney is not agile in debates, no matter that his supporters say otherwise.  Obama will destroy him right out of the box, and Republicans will be left hoping, as some have in the primaries, that Romney will improve in the next one.  But he won't because he can't.

Romney cannot win against Obama.  Gingrich will win against Obama.  One can play subtle games with those two truths, but in the end, they are truths.

Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

genferei: I have been amazed by the readiness with which proponents or opponents of a candidate will impugn the motives and morals of those who disagree with them. Thank heavens for James Delingpole's musical podcast, or I'd be tempted to turn even Ricochet off...

<turns up Scrillex> · 22 minutes ago

Edited 21 minutes ago

Agreed. Perhaps it's easier for me because my own awesome mother (seriously, best mom in the world!) is a Romney supporter and I'm not, but I know her motives in supporting him are genuine and honorable. It's particularly odd to question motives here considering that none of the candidates are ideal, much as I respect each and every one of them.


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