Andrew Klavan on Abortion
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May 6, 2011 at 3:03am
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Comments:
Feb '11
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
If I don't have a PlayStation, can I still kill my children?
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
I desperately want Andrew to declare his presidential candidacy, if only to provide us with the most entertaining debates Fox News has ever produced.
May '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
As Bill Cosby said, "I brought you into this world. I'll take you out of it."
Bluntness is exactly what the abortion debate needs. Sympathy and concern for fearful mothers does not require euphemisms when expressing similar concern for the children. Whenever possible, it's best to avoid the word "abortion" entirely and simply call it what it is: killing kids.
Aug '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Brilliant, but doomed to be confined to a limited and sympathetic audience, I fear.
Jun '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
It's a very sad situation, isn't it?
The left has pushed this agenda for a long time -- one reason is that it is a way of recruiting into their sick little world. Think of all the women who have had abortions and now can't square ever voting Republican.
Apr '11
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Amazing how our (and the unborn') God given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness spoken of in the Declaration of Independence and implied in the Constitution are being stolen by those of the very same worldview that claims that abortion is a so called right guaranteed by the constitution as a right of privacy, of all things.
Mr Klaven, if I understood your comment in a podcast I heard recently of your new found faith then you truly understand when the bible speaks of an age when men will call evil good and good evil. Bravo to your video message!
Jun '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Why's that? Have Republicans done something pro-life lately? Something other than claiming to be pro-life, of course? Oh, wait a minute, that's right, Republicans don't make any decisions that are unpopular with more than 20 percent of voters.
This is supposedly the most pro-life House in history... they need to lose the pink ties and start swinging a big hammer.
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Wow. If your object was to be as offensive to the pro-abortion camp as they have been about the pro-life camp (and they're certainly capable of it; I've heard the phrase "brain-dead zombies" used), congratulations. Mission accomplished.
Nov '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Judith: I'm wondering why you think this is so offensive. The Unites States has the most permissive- one could say essentially anarchic- abortion laws in the advanced world. If abortion in America were rendered unlawful past the first trimester (as is the practice, of all places, in much of Europe), then, I submit, the acrimony attaching to the issue of abortion would not be even remotely what it is today.
Moreover, Roe v. Wade was wretched jurisprudence. To Klavan's point about denying to citizens their ability (some might call it a right) to exert democrat deliberation over the issue: prior to Roe circa 1970, roughly 70% of Americans lived in states where abortion was legal.
Bringing the aforementioned facts to the attention of Europeans or Canadians (or even some Americans) who otherwise frequently incline the thought that American anti-abortionism is the province of unhinged zealots and misogynists, they often do a remarkable about-face and re-examine their impressions.
Edited on May 6, 2011 at 10:50amNov '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
"A ride to the boom boom corral?" My wife takes umbrage.
May '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
If I were Andrew, I would not have argued that Roe v. Wade abolished "another right, the right to debate the issue freely among themselves and then elect representatives to make laws according to the moral understanding of their communities." Such should not be considered a right, for suppose a community freely debates the issue of price controls or tax increases and then concludes, in accordance with their "moral understanding" that price controls or tax increases are warranted. Anyone lamenting the end of this "right" with regard the Roe v. Wade could not coherently oppose the institution of any kind of government intervention by similar means. Furthermore, I will venture to say that the Roe v. Wade decision held that the right to abort was implied by the Constitution, not the obviously false claim that the right to abort was "in the Constitution." Must rights be stated in explicit, constitutional terms in order for us to take them seriously?
Jan '11
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Robert Lux: Judith:
... [when Roev. Wade was decided] roughly 70% of Americans lived in states where abortion was legal....
Robert, where did this figure come from? As I recall you could only get an abortion in New York and maybe one other State just prior to Roe. The reason I know this was I was from NY and going to College in Indiana and friends of friends would ask my help. I had to later repent of providing such help when I became convicted abortion was killing a baby. You might be right but the legality may have been under narrow circumstances The clip is brilliant.
Jun '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Regarding implicit versus explicit on the Constitution: I don't think the dead babies really care how the murderers on the court arrived at their death sentences.
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Edited on May 6, 2011 at 8:40pmJun '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Samwise: I know it's disappointing to see the Republicans take up any difficult challenges -- and abortion is one of the most difficult. But, this just makes it all the clearer how powerful the Left is in this country. On every major issue that the Left takes up over the last 50 years they have won. The Right has a terrible track record. It's interesting to think of William F. Buckley's weary lament at the havoc wreaked in our country since he came of age: he said that he started in the 1950s fighting no-fault divorce. Wow! What a lost cause that is now - something that only history books talk about.
Jun '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
I forgot to mention that the Right did win the Cold War. Now I think about it... It seems that we made a pact with the devil when we allowed the domestic agendas to languish while the adults in the country worked in the defense department. It is very similar to the pact we made with Stalin in WWII. Existential threats always get the most attention. We had little choice in both those scenarios.
Nov '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Larry Koler: It's a very sad situation, isn't it?
The left has pushed this agenda for a long time -- one reason is that it is a way of recruiting into their sick little world. Think of all the women who have had abortions and now can't square ever voting Republican. · May 5 at 9:49pm
Yes, I have at least one friend like that.
Jun '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
The Republicans don't take up difficult issues. That's an over-generalization, to be sure, but one of the main causes of what Mark Steyn calls "the ratchet effect".
It's time to stop being on the defensive. Gallup polls show that most of the people in this country are pro life. As technological advances become more widely used (3-d ultra sounds for example) this country will continue to become more pro life. The unborn baby is a person and is entitled to all rights there of. Anyone who has seen an ultrasound can recognize this. Unless they're a sophist, of course.
Mar '11
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Brilliant stuff, Andrew. It is a testament to your talent and attention to your craft that you pulled that off. Few people could. And sorry, Judith, but the your concern that Andrew might be offensive to those who promote the killing of innocents doesn't move me.
Edited on May 7, 2011 at 5:07pmJan '11
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
Yes! Mr. Klavan is brilliant.
Planned parenthood has yielded very poor results. Between babies and Boeing the gov rarely makes a situation better.
It strikes me that I take for granted the near infinite amount of creative and thoughtful works I can access/steal very easily with little or no cost. This site alone is wonderful and I haven't counted porn. We live in a golden age for widespread easy exchange of ideas and concepts, heck - some truth even gets thrown in once in awhile. I wonder how long this will last? Or maybe its just a stage in the evolution of the printing press/radio/telephone and humans.
May '10
Re: Andrew Klavan on Abortion
@Koler: Incoherent? Elaborate. Do you believe that everything should be subordinate to democratic deliberation? Probably not. If so, then I can't see how a pro-lifer such as yourself could support this detail of Andrew's argument. On the issue of constitutionality, Andrew playfully emphasized the fact that the right to abort was not "in the Constitution," as if it mattered. My response is that the failure of the right to abort to exist explicitly within the Constitution is not a defect that makes it illegitimate.