ObamaChangeBelieve

You have to hand it to Barack Obama. He has unmasked in the most thoroughgoing way the despotic propensities of the administrative entitlements state and of the Democratic Party. And now he has done something similar to the hierarchy of the American Catholic Church. At the prospect that institutions associated with the Catholic Church would be required to offer to their employees health insurance covering contraception and abortifacients, the bishops, priests, and nuns scream bloody murder. But they raise no objection at all to the fact that Catholic employers and corporations, large and small, owned wholly or partially by Roman Catholics will be required to do the same. The freedom of the church as an institution to distance itself from that which its doctrines decry as morally wrong is considered sacrosanct. The liberty of its members – not to mention the liberty belonging to the adherents of other Christian sects, to Jews, Muslims, and non-believers – to do the same they are perfectly willing to sacrifice.

This inattention to the liberties of others is doubly scandalous (and I use this poignant term in full knowledge of its meaning within the Catholic tradition) – for there was a time when the Catholic hierarchy knew better. There was a time when Roman Catholicism was the great defender not only of its own liberty but of that of others. There was a time when the prelates recognized that the liberty of the church to govern itself in light of its guiding principles was inseparable from the liberty of other corporate bodies and institutions to do the same.

MagnaCarta

I do not mean to say that the Roman Catholic Church was in the more distant past a staunch defender of religious liberty. That it was not. Within its sphere, the Church demanded full authority. It is only in recent years that Rome has come to be fully appreciative of the larger principle.

I mean that, in the course of defending its autonomy against the secular power, the Roman Catholic Church asserted the liberty of other corporate bodies and even, in some measure, the liberty of individuals. To see what I have in mind one need only examine Magna Carta, which begins with King John’s pledge that

the English Church shall be free, and shall have her rights entire, and her liberties inviolate; and we will that it be thus observed; which is apparent from this that the freedom of elections, which is reckoned most important and very essential to the English Church, we, of our pure and unconstrained will, did grant, and did by our charter confirm and did obtain the ratification of the same from our lord, Pope Innocent III, before the quarrel arose between us and our barons: and this we will observe, and our will is that it be observed in good faith by our heirs forever.

Only after making this promise, does the King go on to say, “We have also granted to all freemen of our kingdom, for us and our heirs forever, all the underwritten liberties, to be had and held by them and their heirs, of us and our heirs forever.” It is in this context that he affirms that “no scutage nor aid shall be imposed on our kingdom, unless by common counsel of our kingdom, except for ransoming our person, for making our eldest son a knight, and for once marrying our eldest daughter; and for these there shall not be levied more than a reasonable aid.” It is in this context that he pledges that “the city of London shall have all it ancient liberties and free customs, as well by land as by water; furthermore, we decree and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns, and ports shall have all their liberties and free customs.” It is in this document that he promises that “no freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land” and that “to no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice.”

One will not find such a document in eastern Christendom or in the sphere where Sunni Islam is prevalent. It is peculiar to Western Christendom – and it was made possible by the fact that, Christian West, church and state were not co-extensive and none of the various secular powers was able to exert its authority over the church. There was within each political community in the Christian West an imperium in imperio – a power independent of the state that had no desire to replace the state but was fiercely resistant to its own subordination and aware that it could not hope to retain its traditional liberties if it did not lend a hand in defending the traditional liberties of others.

I am not arguing that the Church fostered limited government in the Middle Ages and in the early modern period. In principle, the government that it fostered was unlimited in its scope. I am arguing, however, that the Church worked assiduously to hem in the authority of the Christian kings and that its success in this endeavor provided the foundation for the emergence of a parliamentary order. Indeed, I would go further. It was the Church that promoted the principles underpinning the emergence of parliaments. It did so by fostering the species of government that had emerged within the church itself. Given that the Church in the West made clerical celibacy one of its principal practices (whether it was honored in the breach or not), the hereditary principle could play no role in its governance. Inevitably, it resorted to elections. Monks elected abbots, the canons of cathedrals elected bishops, the college of cardinals elected the Pope.

The principle articulated in canon law  — the only law common to all of Western Europe — to explain why these practices were proper was lifted from the Roman law dealing with the governance of waterways: “Quod omnes tangit,” it read, “ab omnibus tractari debeat: That which touches all should be dealt with by all.” In pagan antiquity, this meant that those upstream could not take all of the water and that those downstream had a say in its allocation. It was this principle that the clergymen who served as royal administrators insinuated into the laws of the kingdoms and petty republics of Europe. It was used to justify communal self-government. It was used to justify the calling of parliaments. And it was used to justify the provisions for self-governance contained within the corporate charters issued to cities, boroughs, and, in time, colonies. On the eve of the American Revolution, you will find it cited by John Dickinson in The Letters of a Pennsylvania Farmer.

The quod omnes tangit principle was not the foundation of modern liberty, but it was its antecedent. And had there been no such antecedent, had kings not been hemmed in by the Church and its allies in this fashion, I very much doubt that there ever would have been a regime of limited government. In fact, had there not been a distinction both in theory and in fact between the secular and the spiritual authority, limited government would have been inconceivable.

JohnLocke

The Reformation weakened the Church. In Protestant lands, it tended to strengthen the secular power and to promote a monarchical absolutism unknown to the Middle Ages. Lutheranism and Anglicanism were, in effect, Caesaro-Papist. In Catholic lands, it caused the spiritual power to shelter itself behind the secular power and become, in many cases, an appendage of that power. But the Reformation and the religious strife to which it gave rise also posed to the secular power an almost insuperable problem – how to secure peace and domestic tranquility in a world marked by sectarian competition. Limited government – i. e., a government limited in its scope – was the solution ultimately found, and John Locke was its proponent.

In the nascent American republic, this principle was codified in its purest form in the First Amendment to the Constitution. But it had additional ramifications as well – for the government’s scope was limited also in other ways. There were other amendments that made up what we now call the Bill of Rights, and many of the states prefaced their constitutions with bills of rights or added them as appendices. These were all intended to limit the scope of the government. They were all designed to protect the right of individuals to life, liberty, the acquisition and possession of property, and the pursuit of happiness as these individuals understood happiness. Put simply, liberty of conscience was part of a larger package.

FrancesPerkins

This is what the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church forgot. In the 1930s, the majority of the  bishops, priests, and nuns sold their souls to the devil, and they did so with the best of intentions. In their concern for the suffering of those out of work and destitute, they wholeheartedly embraced the New Deal. They gloried in the fact that Franklin Delano Roosevelt made Frances Perkins – a devout Anglo-Catholic laywoman who belonged to the Episcopalian Church but retreated on occasion to a Catholic convent – Secretary of Labor and the first member of her sex to be awarded a cabinet post. And they welcomed Social Security – which was her handiwork. They did not stop to ponder whether public provision in this regard would subvert the moral principle that children are responsible for the well-being of their parents. They did not stop to consider whether this measure would reduce the incentives for procreation and nourish the temptation to think of sexual intercourse as an indoor sport. They did not stop to think.

In the process, the leaders of the American Catholic Church fell prey to a conceit that had long before ensnared a great many mainstream Protestants in the United States – the notion that public provision is somehow akin to charity – and so they fostered state paternalism and undermined what they professed to teach: that charity is an individual responsibility and that it is appropriate that the laity join together under the leadership of the Church to alleviate the suffering of the poor. In its place, they helped establish the Machiavellian principle that underpins modern liberalism – the notion that it is our Christian duty to confiscate other people’s money and redistribute it.

At every turn in American politics since that time, you will find the hierarchy assisting the Democratic Party and promoting the growth of the administrative entitlements state. At no point have its members evidenced any concern for sustaining limited government and protecting the rights of individuals. It did not cross the minds of these prelates that the liberty of conscience which they had grown to cherish is part of a larger package – that the paternalistic state, which recognizes no legitimate limits on its power and scope, that they had embraced would someday turn on the Church and seek to dictate whom it chose to teach its doctrines and how, more generally, it would conduct its affairs.

I would submit that the bishops, nuns, and priests now screaming bloody murder have gotten what they asked for. The weapon that Barack Obama has directed at the Church was fashioned to a considerable degree by Catholic churchmen. They welcomed Obamacare. They encouraged Senators and Congressmen who professed to be Catholics to vote for it.

I do not mean to say that I would prefer that the bishops, nuns, and priests sit down and shut up. Barack Obama has once again done the friends of liberty a favor by forcing the friends of the administrative entitlements state to contemplate what they have wrought. Whether those brought up on the heresy that public provision is akin to charity will prove capable of thinking through what they have done remains unclear. But there is now a chance that this will take place, and there was a time – long ago, to be sure, but for an institution with the longevity possessed by the Catholic Church long ago was just yesterday – when the Church played an honorable role in hemming in the authority of magistrates and in promoting not only its own liberty as an institution but that of others similarly intent on managing their own affairs as individuals and as members of subpolitical communities.

CardinalBernadin

In my lifetime, to my increasing regret, the Roman Catholic Church in the United States has lost much of its moral authority. It has done so largely because it has subordinated its teaching of Catholic moral doctrine to its ambitions regarding an expansion of the administrative entitlements state. In 1973, when the Supreme Court made its decision in Roe v. Wade, had the bishops, priests, and nuns screamed bloody murder and declared war, as they have recently done, the decision would have been reversed. Instead, under the leadership of Joseph Bernardin, the Cardinal-Archbishop of Chicago, they asserted that the social teaching of the Church was a “seamless garment,” and they treated abortion as one concern among many. Here is what Cardinal Bernardin said in the Gannon Lecture at Fordham University that he delivered in 1983:

Those who defend the right to life of the weakest among us must be equally visible in support of the quality of life of the powerless among us: the old and the young, the hungry and the homeless, the undocumented immigrant and the unemployed worker.

Consistency means that we cannot have it both ways. We cannot urge a compassionate society and vigorous public policy to protect the rights of the unborn and then argue that compassion and significant public programs on behalf of the needy undermine the moral fiber of the society or are beyond the proper scope of governmental responsibility.

This statement, which came to be taken as authoritative throughout the American Church, proved, as Joseph Sobran observed seven years ago, “to be nothing but a loophole for hypocritical Catholic politicians. If anything,” he added, "it has actually made it easier for them than for non-Catholics to give their effective support to legalized abortion – that is, it has allowed them to be inconsistent and unprincipled about the very issues that Cardinal Bernardin said demand consistency and principle.” In practice, this meant that, insofar as anyone pressed the case against Roe v. Wade, it was the laity.

I was reared a Catholic, wandered out of the Church, and stumbled back in more than thirteen years ago. I have been a regular attendee at mass since that time. I travel a great deal and frequently find myself in a diocese not my own. In these years, I have heard sermons articulating the case against abortion thrice – once in Louisiana at a mass said by the retired Archbishop there; once at the cathedral in Tulsa, Oklahoma; and two weeks ago in our parish in Hillsdale, Michigan. The truth is that the priests in the United States are far more likely to push the “social justice” agenda of the Church from the pulpit than to instruct the faithful in the evils of abortion.

And there is more. I have not once in those years heard the argument against contraception articulated from the pulpit, and I have not once heard the argument for chastity articulated. In the face of the sexual revolution, the bishops priests, and nuns of the American Church have by and large fallen silent. In effect, they have abandoned the moral teaching of the Roman Catholic Church in order to articulate a defense of the administrative entitlements state and its progressive expansion.

There is another dimension to the failure of the American Church in the face of the sexual revolution. As, by now, everyone knows, in the 1980s, when Cardinal Bernardin was the chief leader of the American Church and the man most closely consulted when the Vatican selected its bishops, it became evident to the American prelates that they had a problem – that, in many a diocese, there were priests of a homoerotic orientation who were sexual predators – pederasts inclined to take advantage of young boys. They could have faced up to the problem at that time; they could have turned in the malefactors to the secular authorities; they could have prevented their further contact with the young. Instead, almost certainly at the instigation of Cardinal Bernardin, they opted for another policy. They hushed everything up, sent the priests off for psychological counseling, and reassigned them to other parishes or even dioceses – where they continued to prey on young boys. In the same period, a number of the seminaries in which young men were trained for the priesthood became, in effect, brothels – and nothing was done about any of this until the newspapers broke the story and the lawsuits began.

There is, I would suggest, a connection between the heretical doctrine propagated by Cardinal Bernardin in the Gannon Lecture and the difficulties that the American Church now faces. Those who seek to create heaven on earth and who, to this end, subvert the liberty of others and embrace the administrative entitlements state will sooner or later become its victims.

SisterCarolKeehan

Earlier today, Barack Obama offered the hierarchy “a compromise.” Under its terms, insurance companies offering healthcare coverage will be required to provide contraception and abortifacients, but this will not be mentioned in the contracts signed by those who run Catholic institutions. This “compromise” is, of course, a farce. It embodies a distinction where there is, in fact, no difference. It is a snare and a delusion, and I am confident that the Catholic Left, which is still dominant within the Church, will embrace it – for it would allow the bishops, priests, and nuns to save face while, in fact, paying for the contraception and abortifacients that the insurance companies will be required to provide. As if on cue, Sister Carol Keehan, a prominent Obamacare supporter who heads the Catholic Health Association, immediately issued a statement in which she announced that she is “pleased and grateful that the religious liberty and conscience protection needs of so many ministries that serve our country were appreciated enough that an early resolution of this issue was accomplished.”

Perhaps, however, Barack Obama has shaken some members of the hierarchy from their dogmatic slumber. Perhaps, a few of them – or among younger priests some of their likely successors – have begun to recognize the logic inherent in the development of the administrative entitlements state. The proponents of Obamacare, with some consistency, pointed to Canada and to France as models. As anyone who has attended mass in Montreal or Paris can testify, the Church in both of these places is filled with empty pews. There is, in fact, not a single country in the social democratic sphere where either the Catholic Church or a Protestant Church is anything but moribund. This is by no means fortuitous. When entitlements stand in for charity and the Social Gospel is preached in place of the Word of God, heaven on earth becomes the end, and Christianity goes by the boards.

ArchbishopTimothyDolan

It took a terrible scandal and a host of lawsuits to get the American Church to rid itself of the pederast priests and clean up its seminaries. Perhaps the tyrannical ambitions of Barack Obama will occasion a rethinking of the social-justice agenda. The ball is now in the court of Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, who has welcomed the President's gesture without indicating whether it is adequate. Upon reflection, he can accept the fig leaf that President Obama has offered him. Or he can put Sister Keehan and her supporters in their place and fight. If he wants to regain an iota of the moral authority that the Church possessed before 1973, he will do the latter. The hour is late. Next time, the masters of the administrative entitlements state won’t even bother to offer the hierarchy a fig leaf. They know servility when they see it.

UPDATE: Friday night, shortly after I posted this piece, as Anne Coletta pointed out in Comment 5 below, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops issued a carefully worded statement critical of the fig leaf President Obama offered them. In the meantime, the Rev. John Jenkins, President of the University of Notre Dame, applauded "the willingness of the administration to work with religious organizations to find a solution acceptable to all parties."

FURTHER UPDATE: Since posting this, I have also written American Catholicism: A Call to Arms and More Than a Touch of Malice on related subjects.

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Fricosis Guy
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Fricosis Guy

Did Prof Rahe attack the Magisterium?  IMO, no.  In fact, a good part of his post was on how the institutional hierarchy has set it aside while indulging in the modern world.

Jason Hall: Grendel, I did not say they were of equal gravity. I said the temptation of the conservative Catholic is to downplay those issues (because they don't play as well on the Republican side of the aisle). Clearly, a direct threat to human life is a graver issue than anything else could ever be. The Church is quite clear on that. That fact shouldn't be ignored by the Catholic Left, and the Catholic Right shouldn't use that as a reason to dismiss everything else the Church has to say in her social teaching. Every issue is important, but yes, some are more important than others. And some involve a little prudential judgment, whereas others are absolute (like abortion). · 2 minutes ago
Aaron Miller
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Anne Coletta: The USCCB has just issued a very strong statement against the so-called compromise offered today by the administration: ....

Leave it to our bishops to say in multiple paragraphs what they could have said in one sentence: "This is not a compromise."

Percival
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Percival

Thank you, Professor.  You've once again given me more to think about than is probably good for me.

Anne Coletta:

These changes require careful moral analysis, and moreover, appear subject to some measure of change. But we note at the outset that the lack of clear protection for key stakeholders—for self-insured religious employers; for religious and secular for-profit employers; for secular non-profit employers; for religious insurers; and for individuals—is unacceptable and must be corrected. And in the case where the employee and insurer agree to add the objectionable coverage, that coverage is still provided as a part of the objecting employer's plan, financed in the same way as the rest of the coverage offered by the objecting employer. This, too, raises serious moral concerns.

The careful moral analysis is simplified (in my mind) by a little mathematics.

The base plan  costs X.  The "objectionable coverage" costs Y.  They are going to charge everyone X + Y and call the coverage "free."  Thus, they take the lie that the coverage wasn't going to be required, smear on as frosting the lie that it's now "free," and call the resulting cupcake "truth".

Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist

Jason Hall: ...

... the Church has made a deal with the Left and lost it's nerve is patently untrue. Of course, many individual Catholics place their politics over their Church, but the Church's teaching is quite clear, challenging both the Left and Right. The Catholic Left's temptation is to downplay abortion, contraception, etc., and the Catholic Right's temptation is to downplay the Church's teaching on the rights of immigrants and the role of social institutions, including government, in advancing the common good. 

Please, let's do get into the weeds. What rights of immigrants do you believe the Right is downplaying? What you really mean to say is, the Right is racist and xenophobic because it doesn't want to welcome illegals across the southern border with open arms.

This is a dangerous game the hierarchy is playing. It defames conservatives, it perfectly jibes with the moral relativism the Left prefers, and it subverts the rule of law we've found not just useful, but necessary for social order.

The American bishops are promoting a schism -- two irreconcilable worldviews. Either salvation is through Christ or it is through human agency. Now is the time for choosing.

Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist

Furthermore, as someone firmly on the right, I absolutely defend the role of social institutions. I firmly believe in subsidiarity -- in the good done by the social institutions closest to the people, for example the parish. When you and other defenders of socialism, which the American Church euphemistically calls "social justice," speak of social institutions you mean government. And the bigger the better. You mean a government so big it provides universal health care, and, oh, by the way, contraceptive mandates.

I'm sorry if you're picking up on some hostility here. I feel we're fighting a multi-front war to save our country and the faith, and I get a little worked up. But really, do you not see how people who are so terribly wrong on the life issues can't possibly be right on issues of immigration and economics? These aren't people who mourn for the human condition. They revel in the good feelings they get from confiscating the fruits of other people's labor and redistributing it to their favored political constituencies. It's just wrong!

KC Mulville
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Needless to say, I strongly disagree.

  • I object to the notion that "the majority of the bishops, priests, and nuns sold their souls to the devil ..."
  • I object to: "Instead, almost certainly at the instigation of Cardinal Bernadin, they opted for another policy. They hushed everything up," as if it's a foregone conclusion that Bernadin instigated a policy of hushing up child abuse.
  • I object to insinuating that the hierarchy of the church is eager to embrace a political farce to "allow the bishops, priests, and nuns to save face while, in fact, paying for the contraception and abortifacients that the insurance companies will be required to provide" - this, after that same hierarchy led (and continue to lead) a furious public response to the policy.

I've rarely seen a broader brush. You lump all of the bishops, priests, and nuns together as liberal stooges, pedophilia enablers, and moral cowards. That's entertainingly provocative, but it's a huge disrespect to the vast majority of clergy who entered religious life to serve, not to advance a political perspective. You do them a tremendous disservice.

Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist

But, KC, the bishops did support Obamacare. It's true that not all clergy should be painted with this brush, but the very fact that Kathleen Sebelius has not been excommunicated, publicly, shows how tepid the hierarchy's response is. It's time to man-up.

One doesn't have to be a McCarthyite looking for communists under every rock to see the Marxism inherent in the American Church's teaching of social justice. I even had a diocesan "expert" layperson tell me to my face that social justice is socialism. I'm not saying this is the true social justice teaching of the Roman Church. I'm saying the American bishops have allowed the heretical version to persist.

Aodhan
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Aodhan

Shouldn't one let sleeping dogmatics slumber?

Noesis Noeseos

Pseudodionysius

Noesis Noeseos

Pseudodionysius: "awakened from their dogmatic slumbers"

juxtaposed with a picture of John Locke.

I'll assume that was no accident, Professor Rahe. · 2 minutes ago

Actually, that is what Hegel said of Kant, that he had awakened philosophy from its dogmatic slumber. · 4 minutes ago

Edited 0 minutes ago

It was originally Kant speaking of David Hume because of the danger that Hume's epistemology put scientific enquiry in. · 1 minute ago

True, but Hegel liked the phrase so much that he elaborated it, even as he reworked ontology and epistemology, attempting to show that they reflect each other, in a way that sublated the critical philosophy's subject-based theory of knowledge.  He was convinced that Kant made important advancements but did not finish the job. · 5 hours ago

Edited 5 hours ago

katievs
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katievs

Thank you for a thoughtful and illuminating post, Prof. Rahe.  Though I share a little of KC's concern that you paint with perhaps too broad a brush, I think the thrust of your analysis is true and helpful.

A few comments.

1) I'm glad and grateful that you pointed out (against the prejudice of practically all) that the Church, historically, has been a great friend of liberty—that the principle of separation of Church and state came through her, as did so many of our democratic habits and institutions.

2) Also glad that you pointed out that the Reformation weakened the Church and led to assertions of State authority over the Church, and a tendency to relegate religion too much to the private sphere.  Here you might have mentioned, too, State seizure of Church property (especially key given the practical and philosophical link between property and liberty.)

3) I agree with all my heart that the American Catholic church's embracing of the New Deal and the conflating of "social justice" with Christian charity (and with actual social justice) has been a disaster.

Edited on Feb 11 at 4:49am
katievs
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katievs

Now for a more hopeful perspective:

Thanks to John Paul II and the "new movements" (such as the charismatic renewal, Opus Dei, Cursillo, Communion and Liberation, etc.) that are everywhere revitalizing the Church, there is a new generation of priests coming to maturity and moving up the ranks of the hierarchy.  These are men whose priesthood is rooted in deep and strong personal faith, who have studied and grasped the teachings of the Church in all its substance and organicness, and who have committed themselves to it in total, spousal fidelity.  I have many among my personal friends and acquaintances.  Many.

Maybe even more encouraging is the emergence of the laity coming of age also under JP II and through these new movements.  This is deeply faith-filled and highly educated laity taking the lead all over the place: first in raising Catholic families, and then in all manner of initiatives. 

They are founding schools, teaching NFP and marriage prep, starting non-profits dedicated to promoting chastity to their peers, joining and leading the pro-life cause, becoming engaged in politics, the film industry, etc.

I predict they will be the biggest force in the resistance to the mandate.

katievs
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katievs

These Catholic laity, and I know, again, many, many of them personally (I come across them wherever I go, and we move a lot), while they love the Church with ardent, filial piety, also know their faith and know their rights and prerogatives in Christ.

They are not amenable to the paternalism that tended to characterize pre-Vatican II Catholicism.  

If the bishops fail in this present crisis, this faithful portion of laity will rise up in force.

I forgot to say how glad I am, too, that you mentioned that the Church ought to be fighting for the conscience rights of individuals, and not just Catholic institutions.  I should be able to buy health insurance that doesn't cover contraception and sterilizations.  I should be free to start a business that sells insurance that doesn't cover these things.

I've seen other lay Catholics making this point too.

Edited on Feb 11 at 4:59am
Paul A. Rahe

For the record, I never said that all of the bishops, priests, and nuns sold their souls. Nor do I believe it. I did say that many did so -- and Cardinal Bernadin's Gannon Lecture states their rationale. As for the handling of the sexual predators, the policy was systematic -- applied in virtually every diocese, which means that, under Cardinal Bernadin's leadership, a modus operandi was worked out.

To those of you who have come to the defense of the hierarchy, I pose a question. When was the last time that you heard a sermon on the subject of contraception? When was the last time that you heard the teaching of the Church concerning chastity articulated? And how often from the pulpit have you heard Cardinal Bernadin's debased politics presented?

Pilli
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Pilli

Prof. Rahe, I have devoured your posts these past months. Your auto-biographical references over the months, lead me to believe we have had many similar experiences.  Your frustration with our Church's clergy comes through loud, clear and rings true.

I respect the deep thinking that KC brings when he joins a discussion.  I believe his concern with the "broad brush" is an emotional response saying in effect that "it's not that bad."

But it is that bad.  As a Palm Beach resident, I have seen two bishops (TWO!) removed because of pedophilia.  I have seen the priest and some lay personnel in my parish removed for stealing millions (MILLIONS!) of dollars from the parish.

The pedophilia and homoerotica problems are not confined to just America.  We read articles telling us of the same issues continuing in Ireland, Italy, Spain, S. America and elsewhere as well.

It stems from a willingness to look the other way.  A willingness made easy by the hierarchy's current participation in these same activities.

Paul A. Rahe

One further comment on abortion and the social teaching articulated by the American bishops. Abortion is a moral question. It falls squarely within the purview of the magisterium, and it is an open and shut matter. It is wrong.

Political policy lies outside the expertise of the prelates. They know no more than any of the rest of us. And for the most part they know less. They can rightly tell us that we need to be concerned with the common good. They cannot offer us much help in discerning what constitutes the common good in any particular set of circumstances. Political prudence is not their forte, and when they abuse their authority as teachers of faith and doctrine to instruct us with regard to public policy, they frequently disgrace themselves and scandalize the rest of us.

Those bishops, priests, and, nuns who lent tacit or open support to the campaign for Obamacare -- and they were legion -- have contributed in a profound way to subverting the liberty of all of us. That they weapon they forged was turned on them is only just.

Paul A. Rahe

One last comment. In constructing my narrative concerning the history of church and state and concerning the history of modern liberty, I inevitably cut corners. The story is immensely complex. One thing that I left out that deserves mention is that there was a strain of Protestantism favorable to republican liberty, and I have in mind Calvinism in its Presbyterian form. There is an interesting story to be told about that, but this is not the place.

Paul A. Rahe

Pilli: Prof. Rahe, I have devoured your posts these past months. Your auto-biographical references over the months, lead me to believe we have had many similar experiences.  Your frustration with our Church's clergy comes through loud, clear and rings true.

I respect the deep thinking that KC brings when he joins a discussion.  I believe his concern with the "broad brush" is an emotional response saying in effect that "it's notthatbad."

But it is that bad.  As a Palm Beach resident, I have seen two bishops (TWO!) removed because of pedophilia.  I have seen the priest and some lay personnel in my parish removed for stealing millions (MILLIONS!) of dollars from the parish.

The pedophilia and homoerotica problems are not confined to just America.  We read articles telling us of the same issues continuing in Ireland, Italy, Spain, S. America and elsewhere as well.

It stems from a willingness to look the other way.  A willingness made easy by the hierarchy's current participation in these same activities. · 11 minutes ago

Alas, you are right. Cardinal Bernadin and the American bishops may well have received guidance from someone in the Vatican.


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liberal jim

Paul A. Rahe:

Those bishops, priests, and, nuns who lent tacit or open support to the campaign for Obamacare -- and they were legion -- have contributed in a profound way to subverting the liberty of all of us. That they weapon they forged was turned on them is only just. · 0 minutes ago

I rather enjoy the spectacle.

katievs
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katievs

There's another aspect to this whole issue perhaps worth mentioning, and that is the deliberate strategy of Soviet Communists to undermine the Church by infiltrating it.  Some among the hierarchy were not just "covering up" scandal, they were consciously fostering evil and corruption within the Church in order to destroy it as a moral force in the world.

Bella Dodd, a member of the Communist Party who later returned to the Church under Bishop Fulton Sheen's influence, told him that one of her tasks in the party was to recruit homosexuals to enter Catholic seminaries.  

I don't know if it's true, but it certainly fits in with Communist philosophy and strategy in other spheres of society.

Mama Toad
Joined
Feb '11
Mama Toad

The first time I heard a sermon on contraception was the first time I switched parishes without moving. I had been in a fairly self-satisfied parish for years, with a priest whose sermons seemed to consist of, "Be good. Be nice. It's good you're here." Then I heard this pastor of a nearby parish, and I was so startled I nearly jumped up and shouted out, "Amen, brother! Tell it! Sing it out!" but then remembered that I'm Catholic and we don't do that kind of thing... We switched parishes that week.

Sadly, that priest got so much abuse from various people that last year he went on leave for medical and emotional problems.

It is not easy to speak real Truth to power, and there are few benefits in this life to doing so, especially for priests.

I cannot help but agree with the professor that we are cooking in a stew that the hierarchy prepared. I am not waiting for the excommunication of Kathleen Sebelius to tell me it is time to engage in battle. We have been at war for centuries, and the last 40 years is only one battle...

Edited on Feb 11 at 6:01am
katievs
Joined
May '10
katievs

Philip Lawler's sobering book, Faithful Departed, about the crisis in the Boston Archdiocese puts his finger on the same problem: some American Cardinals sought political power and influence, and in order to obtain it agreed, whether explicitly or tacitly, not to resist things like the legalization of contraception.

It was indeed a pact with the devil.


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