Tom Lindholtz · January 14, 2012 at 5:29pm

Finally, a responsible adult speaks out on Urinegate.  You can read Allen West's response here.

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flownover
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flownover

Perfect ! Print it now . New York Times ? Washington Post ? AP ? Reuters ?

Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

Agreed, perfect.

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

I have a man-crush on that man.  I gave him $25 last election, so I still get his emails, which are a pleasure to read.  Excellent investment.

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

Huzzah!


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Nobody's Perfect

Of all those elected to Congress by the Tea Party wave, only two - Allen West and Rand Paul - still continue to breathe fire.  

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa
Nobody's Perfect: Of all those elected to Congress by the Tea Party wave, only two - Allen West and Rand Paul - still continue to breathe fire.   · Jan 13 at 1:04pm

I wouldn't want to make Rep. West mad at me and be in the same room with him (especially a small room).  

Jimmy Carter
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Thanks, Tom. I wouldn't have seen this otherwise.

I'd like to add that flownover was the first I saw bring up Our Soldiers hanging from a bridge during a urinegate discussion.

Jim Chase
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Jim Chase

BOOM!  I like this guy. 

Roberto
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We have one sane Alan West in Washington and an infinite number of bufoons it seems. These responses just become more and more absurd:

...criminal charges could come as early against those four Marines seen urinating on the bodies of three dead Taliban. All four Marines have been identified, Raddatz reports — though only two have been interviewed. The criminal charges are expected to include bringing dishonor to the military and possible war crimes charges. The Marines could face jail time.

War crimes?! This is insane.

flownover
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Roberto:

possible war crimes charges. The Marines could face jail time.

War crimes?! This is insane.

Well, we need to make this a real pissing match then.

If Obama/Panetta/Clinton think they can duck this one, then we need to make this a national debate.

They punished the people for Abu Ghraib, and who was hurt there ?

These are places where we have fought to stop the more heinous crimes imaginable being done to a whole country full of people by either a dictator or a group of religious zealots. And the persecution of some of our soldiers will be done for purely political posturing to please the same people (Taliban) that have been killing us !!

Absolutely insane. Rep West understands they tried to do it to him.

Mothership_Greg
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flownover

Roberto:

possible war crimes charges. The Marines could face jail time.

War crimes?! This is insane.

They punished the people for Abu Ghraib, and who was hurt there ?

Someone named Manadel al-Jamadi?

flownover
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flownover

Mothership Can I choose to believe the Seals ? I think I will. Few have earned the right to act on my behalf with such heroism, resolve, and results. Red Cross hunh?

wilber forge
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wilber forge

 The man tells it like it is, war is not teddy bears and smiles. Every elected politician should  have served. To this day, I still like Ike.

Mothership_Greg
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flownover: Mothership Can I choose to believe the Seals ? I think I will. Few have earned the right to act on my behalf with such heroism, resolve, and results. Red Cross hunh? · Jan 13 at 5:21pm

I think this Time magazine piece is, suprisingly, pretty good regarding al-Jamadi.  I can't say I've invested enough time reading about it to have a strong opinion regarding the circumstances of his death.  I do think there has been adequate documentation to conclude that the behavior of some of the soldiers at Abu Ghraib was disgusting and reprehensible, and they have been punished accordingly.  What I also find disgusting is that our media does not bother to put things like this in proper context, and that most Americans know "Abu Ghraib" as "that place where we tortured some terrorists", and know nothing of the horrors that Saddam Hussein inflicted upon tens of thousands of people there.  I will be making a post sometime soon, recommending that everyone read "In the Wake of the Surge", and I plan on touching on this topic.

Jimmy Carter
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Mothership_Greg

  ...that most Americans know "Abu Ghraib" as "that place where we tortured some terrorists", ... · Jan 13 at 6:04pm

You have data for that statement?

Mothership_Greg
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Mothership_Greg

Jimmy Carter

Mothership_Greg

  ...that most Americansknow "Abu Ghraib" as "that place where we tortured some terrorists", ... · Jan 13 at 6:04pm

You have data for that statement? · Jan 13 at 6:14pm

I wasn't making a statement of fact, I was making a statement of perception.  Are there any polls asking people what they think of Abu Ghraib?  I am fairly certain that most Americans know nothing of the atrocities that occurred there when Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, just as I am fairly certain that lots of Americans recognize the phrase "Abu Ghraib", but few recognize "al-Anfal".

Mothership_Greg
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Incidentally, I think Allen West's comments about the urination video are exactly right.

Roberto
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Mothership_Greg What I also find disgusting is that our media does not bother to put things like this in proper context, and that most Americans know "Abu Ghraib" as "that place where we tortured some terrorists", and know nothing of the horrors that Saddam Hussein inflicted upon tens of thousands of people there.  I will be making a post sometime soon, recommending that everyone read "In the Wake of the Surge", and I plan on touching on this topic. · Jan 13 at 6:04pm

I look forward to it. 

Jimmy Carter
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So, Yer "perception" is "fairly certain" "....that most Americans know 'Abu Ghraib' as that place where we tortured some terrorists",..

Well, where I'm at Our "perception" is different and find that insulting.

Mothership_Greg
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Mothership_Greg

Jimmy Carter: So, Yer "perception" is "fairly certain" "....that most Americans know 'Abu Ghraib' as that place where we tortured some terrorists",..

Well, where I'm at Our "perception" is different and find that insulting. · Jan 13 at 6:46pm

Congratulations on your childish quotation marks.  If you would like to go out and conduct a poll, asking people what they think of Abu Ghraib, and report back to us, I'd appreciate it.  I'm speaking of my personal experience here; most people I know, if I said "Abu Ghraib", would have approximately the description I gave above.  I'm sure if I only talked to Ricochet members, this would not be the case.  Do you think that the media has fairly reported on Abu Ghraib, and has put it properly in a broader context?  Do you believe that more Americans know about the detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib, or about the al-Anfal campaign of genocide against the Kurds?


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