Mollie recently sent me this piece noting that Turkey had been added to the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom's list of religious liberty violators. She wondered what I thought of it. 

This has been a subject of great debate here; the government was of course deeply offended and rejected it outright. I'm mostly puzzled by it. The suggestion that Turkey's on a par with Saudi Arabia is strange, to say the least. Either Saudi Arabia's not as bad as I thought or they're greatly exaggerating the problem in Turkey. There are quite a number of churches and synagogues in my neighborhood, and apart from a quiet, permanent police presence outside one synagogue (the one that was bombed by al Qaeda), I've seen no state intrusion or harassment. The police are near that synagogue for a good reason and they're welcomed as protectors, not oppressors. 

I'm wondering why the focus is on Christians, when they're doing reasonably well--better than before; in fact, the Ecumenical Patriarchate generally likes the AKP. It's the Alevis who are worried. They're very worried, and with good reason--but that's hardly ever covered in the Western press. 

The problems the report describes are longstanding, dating to the founding of the Republic, in many cases, and indeed antedating the founding in others. It can be argued that only the AKP has ever made any move, however tentative, to solve them. So we (as in, friends with whom I discuss these things) reckon that the commission has reform fatigue and is trying to warn the government that they need to pick up the pace; or perhaps it is trying to make a political point about the other human rights problems here, such as the persecution of Kurds, the Ergenekon cases and the press freedom problem. We wonder if it is a way of saying, "We're watching you and we have an uneasy feeling about you." If the latter, it's a misconceived strategy, because it allows the government to point to the reasonably happy Christians and say, "What are you talking about?" (Which of course they've done.)

That said, the atmosphere among minorities here is definitely uneasy. I've tried to convey the strangeness of it in this piece in City Journal:

Earlier that day, the papers had reported that the government had agreed to return a few of the Armenian and Jewish graveyards that had been seized by proclamation in 1936. What, I asked a cynical Turkish friend, did this mean in practical terms? After all, I said, I would assume no one is aching to build a multistory shopping mall over these graves. “Oh, you might be surprised,” said the cynical friend. “Look on a map of Istanbul. Look where they are.” The Archpriest said that it was simply a matter of justice. He hoped that the government would return the rest of the Patriarchate’s properties. I asked: What would you do with these sites if ever they were returned? He didn’t know: they weren’t thinking that far ahead.

But the atmosphere is uneasy for many people, not just religious minorities. And it is important to remember that the atmosphere, in Turkey, has always been uneasy.

Comments:


Mark Wilson
Joined
May '10
Mark Wilson

Claire, what are the practical consequences of this?

In explaining its recommendation of Turkey for the CPC list, USCIRF pointed to the government's refusal to recognize legally such non-Muslim minority communities as Protestant and Roman Catholic churches, Jews, and Greek, Armenian and Syriac Orthodox churches.

In the United State it might just mean they can't get tax-exempt status.  But in Turkey, does their failure to be recognized have negative consequences politically or with regard to physical security?


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John Foster

A friend, who had lived in Istanbul for 16 years, now lives in London because of his job. When I said that my impression is that it was crunch time on Ataturk's vision, he replied,

I would not read too much into what is going on in Turkey.  It is ultimately a very conservative country (but not in the religious sense) and I don’t think that Ataturk’s legacy is in any real danger.  I think they are more likely to end up with what we have in the US, a system that allows some religious nutcases to vent their opinions but not allowed to impose their worldview on the rest.  The way Ataturk’s legacy was implemented over the last 75 years denied a very real religious sentiment in Turkey, thus bringing about this dramatic change.  The country is actually much more open and democratic and western now than it was under the fascistic “western” system in place before the current crowd took over.  Still, it is a fascinating process and the results are to be seen…

So, again, there seems to be a difference between what we read here and the view of people actually there.

Claire Berlinski

Mark Wilson: Claire, what are the practical consequences of this?

In explaining its recommendation of Turkey for the CPC list, USCIRF pointed to the government's refusal to recognize legally such non-Muslim minority communities as Protestant and Roman Catholic churches, Jews, and Greek, Armenian and Syriac Orthodox churches.

In the United State it might just mean they can't get tax-exempt status.  But in Turkey, does their failure to be recognized have negative consequences politically or with regard to physical security? · 3 hours ago

Mark, this is a really interesting question and the answer is quite complicated. This Wikileaks cable actually explains the situation very well. (And it's a perfect example of over-classification: There's no reason this should not be in the public realm. It's also a perfect example of the superiority of our State Department bureaucrats to our foreign correspondents: Just try to find a an explanation of the situation this clear in any mainstream news organ. You won't. But why not?) 

James Gawron
Joined
Dec '10
James Gawron

Claire,

First, reports of your editorial demise I hope are greatly exaggerated. 

Second, I find the idea of the return of the 1936 grave site confiscation a correct policy move for a government that wishes to move into the mainstream of the moral nations of the World.

Keep us posted,

Jim


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Norm Hapke Jr.

Claire,

Walter Russell Mead's blog  periodically has a letter from Turkey.  I wondered if you are his interlocutor.  If not, do you know who it is.


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