Flyover 54 – There May Be Blood

 

This week, we are joined by Ricochet editor Tom Meyer! We hear about Terry’s job and the inner-workings of an oil rig. We engage in general conversation about the country, the electorate, history, and the future. We do our very best to answer the question on everyone’s minds: “Is it possible to have a podcast without talking about Trump?” Well, it took us nearly an hour and a half to find out. Stick with us; you won’t be disappointed.

Some references:

Gene Healy’s The Cult of the Presidency (mis-identified by Tom as “The Imperial Presidency”) and its sequel about Barack Obama, False Idol.

A recent profile of Gary Johnson and discussion about him on Ricochet.

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  1. kylez Member
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    “Flyover 54 where are you?”

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  2. RyanM Inactive
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    The embed just doesn’t work until someone fixes it.

    In the meantime:

    http://www.soundcloud.com/flyoverpodcast

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  3. RiverRock Inactive
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    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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  4. Majestyk Member
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    It’s drilling mud made with bentonite clay mostly, isn’t it?

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  5. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    Some fascinating discussion. I particularly liked the commentary on the difference between a classical liberal and those who simply hate the left. I have broken recently with a group of friends who are Trump supporters and, to my way of thinking, very much a part of the latter group. What I have heard from them for a very long time is simply negativism. I have never been able to understand the differences between their views and mine since we were on the same page so much of the time. You have given me the necessary vocabulary to get that understanding. I am a classical liberal. Thank you. That clarified a lot.

    This is just one more reason that I spend more time on Ricochet than on any other website.

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  6. RyanM Inactive
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    Sorry we didn’t get to all of the questions.  The decision to not discuss Trump inevitably meant skipping all of the Trump-related questions.

    Next time, though!

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  7. Kaladin Inactive
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    Majestyk:It’s drilling mud made with bentonite clay mostly, isn’t it?

    That’s one of the main additives they put into it to get the properties they want.  There are many other things added (such as walnut shells) depending on what the problems in the wellbore are and what needs to change.  I am also fairly ignorant in the ways of drilling mud science, so the internet would be a superior teacher.

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  8. Grosseteste Thatcher
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    Just started listening: I spent the first few minutes saying “It’s in Minnesota!”

    Glad you figured it out.

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  9. Majestyk Member
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    Grosseteste:Just started listening: I spent the first few minutes saying “It’s in Minnesota!”

    Glad you figured it out.

    Along with the Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota.

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  10. Grosseteste Thatcher
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    At

    Majestyk: Along with the Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota.

    You could buy the UHF soundtrack (that song was on that album) from the souvenir table at Twine Ball Days when I went in high school.

    That’s right, I went.  Jealous?

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  11. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    Grosseteste:Sorry we didn’t get to all of the questions. The decision to not discuss Trump inevitably meant skipping all of the Trump-related questions.

    Yeah, I felt pretty dumb when I realized that. :(

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  12. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann:Some fascinating discussion. I particularly liked the commentary on the difference between a classical liberal and those who simply hate the left. I have broken recently with a group of friends who are Trump supporters and, to my way of thinking, very much a part of the latter group. What I have heard from them for a very long time is simply negativism. I have never been able to understand the differences between their views and mine since we were on the same page so much of the time. You have given me the necessary vocabulary to get that understanding. I am a classical liberal. Thank you. That clarified a lot.

    You’re very welcome and feel free to borrow it.

    Also, Midge has a piece coming out later today that’s on the same topic.

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  13. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann:

    This is just one more reason that I spend more time on Ricochet than on any other website.

    Well, that was a morale booster. :)

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  14. RyanM Inactive
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    RyanM: Gene Healy’s The Cult of the Presidency (mis-identified by Tom as “The Imperial Presidency”) and its sequel about Barack Obama, False Idol.

    … and I say “I’ve seen it, I’ve never read it.”  I vaguely recall a conversation on Ricochet, where the imperial presidency was the topic, but obviously I wasn’t thinking of the right thing.

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  15. kylez Member
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    RyanM:

    RyanM: Gene Healy’s The Cult of the Presidency (mis-identified by Tom as “The Imperial Presidency”) and its sequel about Barack Obama, False Idol.

    … and I say “I’ve seen it, I’ve never read it.” I vaguely recall a conversation on Ricochet, where the imperial presidency was the topic, but obviously I wasn’t thinking of the right thing.

    From an Amazon reviewer:

    I have to admit it: I’m a presidential cultist. In 8th grade I memorized all the presidents with their years of service. In high school I read The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt by Edmund Morris, a book that inspired me during a particularly rough time in my life. To this day I follow politics like most men follow sports.

    So it’s not easy or natural for me to recommend a book that celebrates the likes of Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge and deconstructs Woodrow Wilson, FDR, or my beloved TR.

    Yet if you’re like me, you have this nagging sense that something has gone terribly wrong. In a country founded on the anti-monarchical principle that government is “of the people,” we have come to lust after a king – a man who will heal our hurts, save us from our enemies, educate our children, protect us from the weather, and guarantee our material comforts.

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  16. RyanM Inactive
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    kylez:

    RyanM:

    RyanM: Gene Healy’s The Cult of the Presidency (mis-identified by Tom as “The Imperial Presidency”) and its sequel about Barack Obama, False Idol.

    … and I say “I’ve seen it, I’ve never read it.” I vaguely recall a conversation on Ricochet, where the imperial presidency was the topic, but obviously I wasn’t thinking of the right thing.

    From an Amazon reviewer:

    I have to admit it: I’m a presidential cultist. In 8th grade I memorized all the presidents with their years of service. In high school I read The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt by Edmund Morris, a book that inspired me during a particularly rough time in my life. To this day I follow politics like most men follow sports.

    So it’s not easy or natural for me to recommend a book that celebrates the likes of Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge and deconstructs Woodrow Wilson, FDR, or my beloved TR.

    Yet if you’re like me, you have this nagging sense that something has gone terribly wrong. In a country founded on the anti-monarchical principle that government is “of the people,” we have come to lust after a king – a man who will heal our hurts, save us from our enemies, educate our children, protect us from the weather, and guarantee our material comforts.

    Fascinating.  Any time you get an FDR fan reluctantly praising a book for being pro-Coolidge, I think we’ve got a winner on our hands.

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  17. kylez Member
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    What’s funny is to see Ezra Klein recommending it on the back cover:

    It’s more than just a guide to why you shouldn’t expect too much from the executive: It’s a history of how we’ve come to view the president as central to not only our politics but our national conception of self. Its emphasis on the limitations of the president are as relevant to those who seek to make the state work better as to those who seek to imprison it. Moreover, Healy is a graceful, funny, and fluid writer. It was, by far, the best political book I read this year.” –EZRA KLEIN, The American Prospect

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  18. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    False Idol is really, really brutal. And deserved.

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  19. Dustoff Inactive
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    What Terry doesn’t mention is, that if he messes up with his “driving directions”, it can cost his company big bucks.

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  20. Chris Member
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    Terry – very interesting description of your work.  Glad that Tom kept peppering you with questions.

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  21. RyanM Inactive
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    Dustoff:What Terry doesn’t mention is, that if he messes up with his “driving directions”, it can cost his company big bucks.

    I believe he did say that there are millions of dollars on the line.  But that the biggest impact to his company would be trust – not being hired for other jobs.

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  22. Mike H Inactive
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    Just to be clear, I was bringing up Johnson as someone to coalesce around to send the strongest possible anti-Trump signal, not because I thought libertarianism was politically viable right now or that I thought he has a chance to win.

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  23. RyanM Inactive
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    Mike H:Just to be clear, I was bringing up Johnson as someone to coalesce around to send the strongest possible anti-Trump signal, not because I thought libertarianism was politically viable right now or that I thought he has a chance to win.

    I will most likely vote for him.

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  24. Mike H Inactive
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    RyanM:

    Mike H:Just to be clear, I was bringing up Johnson as someone to coalesce around to send the strongest possible anti-Trump signal, not because I thought libertarianism was politically viable right now or that I thought he has a chance to win.

    I will most likely vote for him.

    Sure, but I live in Ohio, so there :)

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  25. Grosseteste Thatcher
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    Really appreciated the Johnson discussion, I’m planning to vote for him as well.

    Also wanted to tell Ryan that your aggressive advertisement of this episode earned you at least one more regular listener.  Not sure why I’ve overlooked this podcast, but I really enjoyed this episode.

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  26. RyanM Inactive
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    Grosseteste:Really appreciated the Johnson discussion, I’m planning to vote for him as well.

    Also wanted to tell Ryan that your aggressive advertisement of this episode earned you at least one more regular listener. Not sure why I’ve overlooked this podcast, but I really enjoyed this episode.

    Thank you! I am somewhat self consciously aggressive… In this instance it was because I think the non-trump ideological conversation is so crucial to the Trump debates.

    Otherwise I try not to be so pushy.

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  27. kylez Member
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    I clicked onto flyover country 29, which was listed on the “related posts” thing. Your description mentions Soto talking about the presidential candidate field (which now we know was pre-Trump). The date was March 7, 2015. 14 months ago.

    So depressing.

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  28. RyanM Inactive
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    kylez:I clicked onto flyover country 29, which was listed on the “related posts” thing. Your description mentions Soto talking about the presidential candidate field (which now we know was pre-Trump). The date was March 7, 2015. 14 months ago.

    So depressing.

    Oh, don’t even remind me. I feel like Paul Rahe in November 2012.

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  29. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    You got the mustard out!!!

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  30. Jerome Danner Inactive
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    RyanM:This week, we are joined by Ricochet editor Tom Meyer! We hear about Terry’s job and the inner-workings of an oil rig. We engage in general conversation about the country, the electorate, history, and the future. We do our very best to answer the question on everyone’s minds: “Is it possible to have a podcast without talking about Trump?” Well, it took us nearly an hour and a half to find out. Stick with us; you won’t be disappointed.

    Some references:

    Gene Healy’s The Cult of the Presidency (mis-identified by Tom as “The Imperial Presidency”) and its sequel about Barack Obama, False Idol.

    A recent profile of Gary Johnson and discussion about him on Ricochet.

    I’m going to post this on Twitter!

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