We Gotta Get Right With Hispanics

It makes many conservatives angry to hear that … and that anger proves my point.

Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic. If the GOP continues to lose Hispanics 75/25, we will become a permanent minority party.

If the GOP can’t win with the planets lined up in our favor as much as they were this year, then the GOP will never win . . . unless it is willing to re-evaluate the way it has unnecessarily alienated Hispanics.

We don’t have to win 100% of them. We just need to get to…

  1. RedRules

    Astonishing, you have to have an America-first mentality. Our duty, as citizens, is to support the law. Restrictive or not, the law’s have been broken, and the criminal’s should not be rewarded for their “heroic” criminal act. The millions of legal American citizens who are unemployed have to deal with illegal immigrants taking jobs.

    If we simply put people on the borders to record a person’s fingerprints and name while issuing them a social security card as they enter our country, we will implode. The number of skilled workers will be dwarfed by unskilled. These unskilled “heroic” new citizens will work for pennies (re: China) compared to our established workforce. This will mean that unemployment will skyrocket. Net result? The destruction of, well, lots. 

    So, what we do is put restrictions on who can come in, and how many. We have to control the flow of immigrants to this country. Now, you are right in that the barrier to entry is a little too big and too thickly wrapped with red tape. But there *should* be standards.

    And we have to control the border. That is a must.

  2. Zafar

    Your comments here are based on the assumption that (non-Hispanic) you know exactly why Hispanics prefer the Democrats to the Republicans.

    It might gain you some insight if you actually asked some Hispanics instead of hypothesising about what they ‘must’ be thinking.

    I mean you could be right, and it is because of all of those welfare freebies and green card give aways.  But it could be things you haven’t addressed, or haven’t even thought of.  

    Asking instead of assuming is a good habit to get into anyway, especially if you want to win next time.

  3. Bryan G. Stephens

    It is clear to me that no matter what the race, most people can be bought. Hispanics are no different than blacks or whites in that regard. The Democrats buy votes with goodies.

    This thread is academic. We have lost the Republic anyway.

  4. Hartmann von Aue

    Hear, Hear, Astonishing. 

  5. Hartmann von Aue

    “Because we have mismanaged our borders for so long, because we have failed to control our borders by instituting a rational managed level of immigration (which would let in more workers legallly), we have now made for ourselves a huge problem with an Hispanic underclass. We must address that problem with realistic solutions that move these people into the mainstream, rather than hardline slogans such as “Amnesty!” “Close the Borders!” etc.”- this is exactly right. Reward the people who come here to escape poverty instead of letting the Dems turn them into a permanent underclass by recruiting them to lives of dependency. Some of the hardest working residents of this country I know are here illegally and you know what…I could care less.

  6. Ed G.

    Astonishing,

    You make many good points – on paper. When you call for free flow of labor as if it’s merely an input in an economic equation, you seem to forget that this free flow has real impact on real people who are already citizens, who are already vulnerable to a changing world. Every neighborhood in which I’ve lived has transformed into a Hispanic neighborhood. The neighborhood transformation isn’t pleasant; it’s been accompanied by great anxiety over becoming cultural strangers in one’s own home with an added helping of staggering crime and reduced quality of life. This is a real effect of unfettered immigration and amnesty; I’ve lived it several times already here in Chicago and I expect to keep on living it for some time to come. Also, yes, on paper Hispanics should be hardworking and religious family folks; the reality is much different, though. Out of wedlock births; crime; Catholic parishes that were once the backbone of their neighborhoods are vanishing from lack of support and attendance, right in the heart of territory that should be the source of their reinvigoration if your assessment were true. I’m skeptical, to say the least.

  7. Atavist

    Of all the issues that confront conservatives in America on this grim morning, this is the most intractable and anguishing. The fact is, for most of her history, the U.S.A. has defined herself as a nation of Anglo-Germanic civilization, both as a matter of politics and physical provenance. The proof of this outlook for almost all of American history, right up to the seventies, was the rejection of mass immigration from “Latin” America, particulary Mexico, by the explicit enforcement of exclusionary immigration policy .

    Many will say that this policy was at best unsustainable, but it is beyond question that the U.S.A. was well served by it, and its subsequent wholesale abandonment took place without any public discussion. The consequence of this failure to address the national origins question, especially as to “Hispanic” mass immigration, is an abyss that now stares back at America.

  8. Busy System Admin

    The reason many “hardliners” took that stance is “fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.”

    Last time we had comprehensive immigration reform with amnesty, we made the situation worse.  We didn’t get the borders controlled.

    So this time we are holding out for when the borders are provably controlled.  Then and only then will we consider some form of legalization for those who are already here and whom it might be in our interest to legalize (hard-working, otherwise law-abiding, etc.)

    I’m not against any kind of grand bargain, but it has to start with proven, measurable enforcement first, followed only when successful by amnesty/legalization.

    Oh yes, there are some anti-Hispanic people amongst the hardliners, but that’s a small minority, and I don’t personally welcome them.

  9. Jan-Michael Rives
    RedRules: Our duty, as citizens, is to support the law. Restrictive or not, the law’s have been broken, and the criminal’s should not be rewarded for their “heroic” criminal act. 

    Our duty as rational creatures is to oppose bad laws.

  10. lostingotham

    Let me point out, as the descendant of pre-Columbian Americans, that Hispanics are not the first group to arrive on these shores under a cloud of dubious legality.  While I often think the place might be better if my ancestors had enforced a more rigorous immigration policy from the get-go, realism forces me to admit that we must start from where we are.  Where we are is that our manual jobs are largely staffed by immigrants–many of them “illegal” immigrants.  That’s not going to change anytime soon because “native” Americans can’t be bothered to do such work.  We can get a handle on the process and integrate these people as productive members of our society who will–sooner than you think–wind up as prosperous as did the Irish, Polish and Italians before them, or we can continue a Sisyphusean effort to exclude them and wind up with a permanent, government-dependent underclass.  As for the jobs they’ll “take:”  most are “below” the pride of Americans and the rest would soon be shipped overseas otherwise.  Might as well have ‘em done here.

  11. BrentB67

    So the answer is to pander to illegal aliens and expand the welfare state? If that is what it takes to win an election in our nation it isn’t a nation worth leading.

  12. Pig Man

    Good analysis.  Most Hispanics are socially conservative.   Clearly a big potential is there.  Time to support something like the Dream Act or face many more evenings like tonight.

  13. lostingotham

    Ed, I say this as gently as I can:  if you’ve experienced this transformation several times and it still renders you a “cultural stranger,” perhaps you should consider that the benefits of the melting pot flow both ways.  It’s never too late to learn a little Spanish!

    Ed G.: Astonishing,

    Every neighborhood in which I’ve lived has transformed into a Hispanic neighborhood. The neighborhood transformation isn’t pleasant; it’s been accompanied by great anxiety over becoming cultural strangers in one’s own home…

  14. Ronaldus Maximus

    why stop there? Let’s pander to single white females and African Americans. That’s the ticket. 

  15. etherwalker

    If the Hispanic vote is our last, best hope, then it’s over. Turn out the lights. I am no Atlas, but *shrug*.

  16. Chris Deleon

    I’m sure you have what’s best for Republicans in mind, Pig Man.

  17. Astonishing
    BrentB67: So the answer is to pander to illegal aliens and expand the welfare state? If that is what it takes to win an election in our nation it isn’t a nation worth leading. · 4 minutes ago

    Don’t pander. Just don’t go around insulting Hispanics needlessly by painting them all with the same disrepectful brush.

    Don’t pander. It’s not pandering to appeal to people’s better angels.

    We need to acknowledge clearly that many Hispanics, no, most Hispanics, are hardworking decent religious people. We need to acknowledge that in our society many Hispanics are doing some of the hardest, nastiest, most backbreaking work, that they build our houses, pave our roads, and clean the filthy commodes in our office buildings. We need to acknowledge that we respect their work. We need make sure they know that they are welcome in mainstream America, that their hard wok will get them moving up the ladder of success. Instead, we’ve sent Hispanics a different message.

    Hispanics feel that the GOP does not respect them. There is, unfortunately, some truth in that perception.  We’ve left them to fall into the web of Obama style dependency.

  18. Astonishing
    etherwalker: If the Hispanic vote is our last, best hope, then it’s over. Turn out the lights. I am no Atlas, but *shrug*. · 6 minutes ago

    That’s exactly the sort of disrespectful attitude that has needlessly alienated Hispanics.

  19. Bryan G. Stephens

    We have let them fall into dependency? Explain that.

  20. Astonishing
    Pig Man: Good analysis.  Most Hispanics are socially conservative.   Clearly a big potential is there.  Time to support something like the Dream Act or face many more evenings like tonight. ·

    Yes, the Dream Act makes sense. Rubio and Romney supported similar measures. But as soon as they hinted that they would support anything like a Dream Act, the knee-jerk Sheriff Arpaio-lovers start screaming.

    By alienating Hispanics we are doing a slow motion political suicide.

    It’s also morally wrong to let Hispanics fall into, or push them into, the clutches of liberal dependency the way blacks have. We have a moral duty to prevent Hispanics from falling into the dependency trap of the welfare state. That also happens to be good politics.

    We need to ask why we lose Hispanics 75/25. We need to fix our problem with Hispanics before it’s too late.

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