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The Circular Firing Squad

Pat Caddell infamously refers to the Republicans as the “Party of Stupid” and witnessing the way the conservative media is reacting to the GOP primaries it’s hard to make an argument against that assessment.

Here, in early December, it’s pretty obvious how the race has evolved. Cain is history. He’s just not a “NO” but a “NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!” Bachmann, Santorum, Perry and Huntsman are stuck in the single-digits. Ron Paul has his loyal band, crucified on a cross of gold, silver dimes and isolatio…

  1. Frozen Chosen

    I believe conservative pundits should call ‘em like they see ‘em, whether it be Newt or Mitt, and let the voters sort it out for themselves.

    There will be plenty of time to rehabilitate whichever candidate gets the nomination before the general election.  Don’t worry, we’ll all fall in love once the choice becomes candidate X or Obama.

    Until then, let the best man (or woman) win! 

  2. BThompson

    It’s not the pundits’ fault that such flawed candidates entered the race. What’s more, I don’t think Obama quoting right leaning pundits will be an especially effective strategy for him. I mean he cant complain that all of his critics are nutjobs and racists but then use them as reliable character assessors. I’d also point out that Hillary and Obama went after each other in a pretty heated way, but it didn’t seem to hurt Obama too badly, in fact it made him a better candidate. I think a tough vetting now gives the candidates an opportunity to practice dealing with these criticisms and be ready for them when the average voter actually starts paying attention next fall.

    Ultimately whether the GOP candidate is successful will depend on whether he can communicate a convincing message and connect with average Americans. Obama can try to paint someone as nuts if he wants, the GOP candidate just has to show that he’s not and make sure people focus on Obama’s failures. BO will have plenty of them to explain and defend.

  3. Valiuth

    I’m still hoping the delegates at the convention just say “screw this”, and draft by voice vote some one else. I’m still tending my shrine to Christie. I am just a few lessons away from being able to perform a complicated voodoo ritual to make him do my biding and jump into the race. 

    Maybe we should just brace for 4 more years of the O now…I mean they are selling 300,000 people giving up on looking for jobs as an improvement in the economy. We’re doomed, DOOMED! (slap…)

    Ok I’m better now, but still depressed.  

  4. EJHill
    BThompson: …he (Obama) cant complain that all of his critics are nutjobs and racists but then use them as reliable character assessors…

    Sure he can, and will. That’s the whole point. Even the nutjobs and the racists think Gingrich is dangerous so why would YOU vote for him?  It’s political advertising, you’re not calling a witness in a murder trial.

  5. New Boss

    At least Romney had the cojones to go up against Ted Kennedy in a Senate race.  I gotta respect that.  I looked up some info about that and Kennedy and his ilk pulled some dirty tricks (shocker!) when the race got tight.  I don’t understand what his motivation was to be a Governor or Senator in a state that is so heavily tilted one way.

  6. Herkybird

    Man I am sure glad I don’t have to go into combat with some of you so-called “conservatives” !  I have never in my life seen a group so predisposed to preemptive surrender.  Not a single primary vote has been cast yet and you’ve already decided you’ve lost and are writing ad copy for the Obama campaign.

    It seems like every election cycle all I hear from the Party of Eeyore is how our guy can’t win. Why don’t you pick a candidate and get into the game?  That’s what I did.  And if my guy doesn’t get the top slot there’s always Vice President because whoever the nominee is he’s going to need someone watching his back and assisting with the heavy lifting.  And if not VP, then there are cabinet slots to fill because the President is going to need good help.

    Maybe we are going to go down in 2012 but, if so, I intend to go down swinging.

  7. raycon and lindacon

    We have arrived… at the point where government, by it’s very size and power, is beyond our control.  It matters little who the next president is, he, or she, will still be a person committed to the proposition that government is the central organizing force in human affairs, and a really handy source of virtually unlimited power.

    A few, very few, people are widely known for spurning this power, so the pickin’s is lean, and actual voter consensus is beyond reasonable expectation.

    Once upon a time, our Founders believed in “Providence”, a euphemism of the times for God, or our Creator, aka; the central organizing force in human affairs.  From Him flowed our rights, especially articulated as Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Lacking any agreement on the above, and accepting government as the central organizing force, we face a difficult decision:

    1.   We can exercise the futility of deciding who we can elect as part of the central organizing force, trusting this mystery person to exercise virtually unlimited power over our life.

    2.   We can seek the Creator, seek to live our lives in harmony with Him, and seek His candidate.  Pray and listen… He answers.

  8. EJHill
    Herkybird:   I have never in my life seen a group so predisposed to preemptive surrender.  Not a single primary vote has been cast yet and you’ve already decided you’ve lost and are writing ad copy for the Obama campaign.

    I am not surrendering. Only asking why we shoot ourselves in the foot before we battle with the real enemy. Anticipating the moves of the enemy is a part of good strategy.

  9. Herkybird
    EJHill

    I am not surrendering. Only asking why we shoot ourselves in the foot before we battle with the real enemy. 

    Have you shot yourself in the foot already?  The Republicans haven’t settled on a nominee yet.  Heck, no one’s cast a vote in even a primary election yet.  

    The potential candidates are not your “enemy.”  They are people who have answered their country’s call to service.  Pick one and get in the game.  Instead of telling me why we’re going to lose, focus instead on how we’re going to win?

    Tape this Churchill quote on your bathroom mirror and recite it every morning while shaving”

    “This is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

  10. Larry Koler

    We want the criticisms of our candidates to freely float around. What I find distressing is the ad hominem attacks on people. Both Newt and Mitt have had to put up with those from people who should know better.

    The worst examples recently were what Rove, Murphy and others did to Christine O’Donnell and Sharron Angle. These people had already won their primaries when they were attacked most viciously. This helps pundits by making their predictions come true. But just think what could have been accomplished if Rove et al were truly interested in the party and in the country enough to set aside their childish rants. They should — at the very least — be silent.

    What’s going on with Newt and the elites is an old fight with Newt. He’s a lightning rod by his nature and he’s been successful using alternative methods. And he mostly just needs people to do his bidding. Reagan had a little of this, too — don’t forget. He didn’t need much help on the philosophy and strategy. Weinberger, Schultz and Casey were helpful but the others less so. I think these high offices are tough environments.

    Read Raycon again.

  11. Larry Koler
    Herkybird

    Tape this Churchill quote on your bathroom mirror and recite it every morning while shaving”

    “This is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

    Wow! what a great quote. Thanks.

    I think you need to read EJ’s comments more carefully, though. I think you are in more agreement than you might think.

  12. Guruforhire

     Like it or not the people who spend the money, get out and put time in for the campaigns arent lining behind Romney.  For whatever reason his inevitability is his biggest weakness and why he will lose.  You may not like it but the people who do the voting, send the money, and knock on doors arent lining up behind what they feel is a judas goat.  The bad taste in the mouths of the people who do the voting, send the money, and knock on doors for campaigns essentially are demanding a sacrafice, and that sacrafice is Romney.  Romney isnt going to win the nomination, santa will win the nomination before Romney, purely because Romney is the inevitable candidate, and the Republican Party, as in the organization, is about as trusted as Barrack Obama is.  The worst possible thing Romney did was be a traditional republican candidate when the party is royally pissed and pissed at everybody.  Pundits and Media personalities whose rhetoric is trying to cajole people into supporting Romney, is recieved as “Shut up and send money.”  Shut up and Send Money is not a great slogan to pacify a pissed off and distrustfull electorate.

  13. EJHill

    Herky, go back and read the original post. Your Churchill point makes no sense in regard to a primary. That’s about a war with an external enemy, not a civil war.

    The point is that what you and I say is meaningless. What the so-called “respected” voices in our party say is going to used against whoever the nominee is.

    Everyone says that Hillary strengthened Obama in the primary. OK. But what major voice in the Democratic Party other than her is on the record as having said that Obama would be a disaster in the White House? Who turned on him the way our “intellectual leaders” turn on our primary candidates?

  14. Hang On
    Larry Koler

    Hang On

    Larry Koler

    DrewInWisconsin

    Point taken. But, people who aspire into areas they are not good at causes a lot of trouble. I should have said they are “just mechanics.” As in not automatically qualified in other areas. They need to earn their place at the table. These particular mechanics are just functioning now as childish wreckers. · Dec 7 at 11:57am

    Murphy and Rove are pussy cats compared to what Obama and his $1 billion are going to be throwing at whoever the GOP nominee is. If candidate x can’t stand up to that now, I think that’s very relevant information for GOP primary voters to know. Any candidate worth his salt should always form an opposing get the dirt team on himself and be honest with them and tell them where to look. Everybody has some kind of dirt if they’ve ever done anything. If he doesn’t do this, he’s going to be sideswiped by an October surprise that will work. Get it out early so it’s old news by the time the election is decided in the last weekend before the election.

  15. Larry Koler
    Hang On

    Murphy and Rove are pussy cats compared to what Obama and his $1 billion are going to be throwing at whoever the GOP nominee is. If candidate x can’t stand up to that now, I think that’s very relevant information for GOP primary voters to know. Any candidate worth his salt should always form an opposing get the dirt team on himself and be honest with them and tell them where to look. Everybody has some kind of dirt if they’ve ever done anything. If he doesn’t do this, he’s going to be sideswiped by an October surprise that will work. Get it out early so it’s old news by the time the election is decided in the last weekend before the election.

    We’re not talking about “news” here, though — we’re talking about trying to damage a person’s reputation. Real hard-ball unnecessary tactics.

    But, I agree with you completely about real facts that are bad news or can be used in attacks by the other side.

  16. Publius

    I think Mitt has less of a chance of running a flaming disaster of a campaign compared to Newt, but I’ll vote for either one of them and might even send whoever wins the primary some money.  The stakes are too high to pout and sit on the sidelines.

    If I could vote for McCain, I can certainly vote for Newt or Mitt. I’m grumpy that the GOP is going to be going with yet another substandard candidate, but I’m not stupid.

  17. Hang On
    Larry Koler

    Hang On

    We’re not talking about “news” here, though — we’re talking about trying to damage a person’s reputation. Real hard-ball unnecessary tactics.

    But, I agree with you completely about real facts that are bad news or can be used in attacks by the other side. · Dec 7 at 12:27pm

    OK. Real hard-ball tactics rather than “news”. Again, it’s not like Team Obama will not be doing this, and it again seems to me relevant to GOP voters to assess how candidate x is taking it. Do they handle it with humor and finesse (i.e., Reagan perfection) or do they get all weepy (like almost everybody but Reagan). That seems highly relevant information. So many people didn’t run because it is such a rough game. But again, Murphy and Rove are nothing compared to what I suspect Team Obama are going to be, who are nothing compared to Team Putin, Team China, Team Iran, . . . are going to be.

  18. Severely Ltd.
    EJHill What happens if the primary voters don’t agree with the commentariat and hands the nomination to Gringrich anyway?

    What you get is a DNC dream ad, informing the independents and the swing voters just how “scary” Newt really is. Can’t you see it now?·

    What I’m trying to envision, and what you of all people should be seeing, is the staggering wealth of material we have to use against Obama. And much of it can be clips of his own words. His pleading for the stimulus funds because otherwise unemployment could reach nine percent. His statement that if the economy hasn’t come around in three years, he won’t be re-elected.

    I think that given his record and performance, the charges of his socialist mindset might find traction if presented artfully. They were deflected by a hard-working MSM last time around, but reminding people of the JournoList debacle could undermine much of that. When the Democrat’s attack ads pick apart the Republican candidate in excruciating detail, why not counter with an ad questioning why Obama’s ties to Ayers or Rev Wright were never looked into to any degree…word limit Looming.

  19. Severely Ltd.

    Cont.—-I know their war chest will dwarf ours, but they have a fraction of our practically ready-made ads (It’s great to have truth on your side). A short TV spot pointing out the obvious will defang any number of the boilerplate class-warfare points made by the Droner-in-Chief.

  20. jetstream
    Herkybird: Man I am sure glad I don’t have to go into combat with some of you so-called “conservatives” !  I have never in my life seen a group so predisposed to preemptive surrender.  …

    … Why don’t you pick a candidate and get into the game?  That’s what I did.  And if my guy doesn’t get the top slot there’s always Vice President …

    Maybe we are going to go down in 2012 but, if so, I intend to go down swinging. · Dec 7 at 9:06am

    Herkybird, I completely agree your posts, there’s been so much hand ringing that Liebestod was playing in the background.   Who are you supporting?

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