Ricochet En Español?

Que les parece?  How does it grab you?

There’s been a lot of talk about the need for Republicans to reach out to Hispanics.  Is it time for a Spanish-language feed on Ricochet?

P.S. — Okay, I’m not a native speaker, but I used to live in Argentina and would do my best to join in.

  1. BlueAnt

    You’d have to decide which Spanish to do it in.  My jr high Spanish teacher taught a dialect from Spain, my high school Spanish teacher taught a Mexican dialect.  And since I grew up in Miami, where everyone spoke Cuban Spanish, none of it helped.

    If you’re ever really bored, look up a detailed list of Spanish curse words. Other languages have decent lists, but for Spanish they’re divided up by countries… and if you get the slang wrong, you can get some hilariously weird conversations.

  2. Pablo

    Personally I hate identity politics, and this idea of treating people as member of some “collective”, as if they could not think by themselves, is really repulsive. On the other hand, is more than clear that conservative ideas are not getting to those people of Hispanic origin. The problem really starts with the education they receive in their own countries, where governments push the idea that the US (the white US, I mean) is the culprit of their situation. I frankly thought that when these people moved to the US they will look at your country and realise the reasons why you are successful and their countries do not, but this is obviously not happening. So something must be done. The fight should be brought to their main source of news/entertainment which I would think are outlets like Univision or whatever radio programs they listen to.

  3. Pablo

    As I said, I hate identity politics but its working pretty well for the Dems. Maybe a Ricochet in Spanish will attract a few people who then will move into the English site (I presume the majority of latinos speak English so they will go for the English site if they want to “see” more). But all in all, I do not think it will change too many minds. As soon as they read something they do not like they will revert back to their “ah, this is all that Tea Party racist stuff” and leave the site. Maybe a Spanish podcast will be better, but the best thing will be to have our guys challenging the leftist latinos at their turf. So we just need a latino version of Rob Long, Mark Steyn, etc. I do know of a lot of good Spanish conservatives they could listen to but people from Latin America tend to hate Spaniards as much as they hate Americans…. any how, count with me if you decide to do it. I was born in Mexico, lived there for 16 years and lived another 15 in Spain, so no problems with using the wrong words..

  4. Mafuta Kizola

    Why don’t the pundits make more appearances on MundoFox, the Spanish version of Fox News, instead of a Spanish version of Ricochet ?

    You are probably going to reach more people and you won’t be trying to Compete with Mr Murdoch.

    Even better why don’t the more culture oriented pundit, sorry for a lack of better word, could write novelas para MundoFox. I will be dying to watch something written by Roberto Longo aka Rob Long ;)

    Novelas are such a great fun and most countries where people speak Spanish and Portuguese watch them. So if you can make a Tea Partier in a Novela that doesn’t look racist, you are going to win the Latino vote … around the globe.

    I am Angolan, but most of the best Colombian, Mexican and Brazilian novelas are broacasted back home, being both fun and addictive.

  5. Not JMR

    Seems like a waste of effort. There is nobody in this country who both a) would enjoy reading and participating in the types of discussions we have on this site and b) is so uncomfortable speaking English that they refrain from joining and posting. As another poster wrote, the most you could expect is some increased foreign participation, which might be a nice thing to have! I know there are some very clever lawyers in Honduras still fuming about their so-called coup. Last year, in Peru, the daughter of Alberto Fujimori ran against an insane socialist and managed to garner a bigger fraction of the vote than Mitt Romney did here (though she still lost.) And Argentina… let’s just say there are more than a few folks there who aren’t thrilled with the current regime.

  6. Busy System Admin

    Why the antipathy?

    I would be for it, if it could be pulled off properly.  It would take some commitment from members who speak Spanish to contribute; otherwise it might die on the vine like the College Feed did.

    I get that we need to encourage immigrants to learn English.  But facts are facts– there is a large number of them that prefer to interact in Spanish or are unable to interact in English at this level.  Let’s say they stumble across this website by chance or by using a search term in Spanish.  We have a chance to educate them about conservatism if we are welcoming and have expressed our message in a language they understand.

    Instead we get people saying that if we do something like this, they will quit as Members.  How do you think that will come across, regardless of the true motive?

  7. Busy System Admin
    BlueAnt: You’d have to decide which Spanish to do it in.  My jr high Spanish teacher taught a dialect from Spain, my high school Spanish teacher taught a Mexican dialect.  And since I grew up in Miami, where everyone spoke Cuban Spanish, none of it helped.

    Not an issue.  Written Spanish is fairly standardized.

    The difference is more in the spoken Spanish, and people understand each other the way we understand Brits and Aussies and Indians and even some African variants of English.  They’re not really dialects the way most people understand that word.

    If any choice had to be made, it would be a no-brainer.  We have far more immigrants from Mexico and Central America than from Spain.

  8. Busy System Admin

    By the way, it would do y’all a world of good to learn another language.

    Pick one and stick with it.

    Spanish is relatively easy compared to Mandarin Chinese, etc. but even spoken Mandarin is quite manageable (the writing system is fascinating, but takes years of commitment, obviously).  Personally, Korean is the hardest language I have learned.

    Oh, and by the way– English is as hard or harder than almost any other language to learn.

    We want people to learn English when they come here, and properly so.  But how many Americans who work in or emigrate to another country bother to learn its language?  In my experience, all too often they don’t make a serious effort.

  9. outstripp

    Better do it in Chinese. They’ll be in charge in 15 years.

  10. Busy System Admin

    Actually, China is on a dangerous demographic path that almost assures they won’t be growing at current rates for much longer.  I spent some time in China, and love the Chinese people.  I still doubt they will be running the world in 15 years.  They’ll probably have more influence than they do now, of course.

  11. Busy System Admin

    Meanwhile, we have our own demographic problems, the main one being the topic of this thread, which is how do we integrate and assimilate our immigrants and teach them the American way of life?

    May I suggest that being rigid and demanding won’t work?

    We need to be welcoming in manner, while still maintaining high standards.  I’m against easy amnesty, etc., but we should do our best to make immigrants who are here legally feel welcomed and appreciated.  They are a big part of the future of America, and the sooner we welcome them into the American family and help them become better Americans, the better.

  12. Lucy Pevensie

    I’m for it, too.  Hey, I’d love to check in, read, and brush up on my Spanish. If Adam can write posts in decent Spanish, and BSA can make a new tab, that’s all you need to get it started.  You could try to get a guest post from Marco Rubio or someone to draw in an audience, and then sit back and see whether it works. If it doesn’t, then it can go the way of the College Feed.

  13. Gretchen
    Schrodinger’s Cat

    Sabrdance: Oooo!  Maybe we can install a translator ap!  Technology brings us all closer together! · 18 minutes ago

     

    Tal vez podamos instalar un traductor ap! La tecnología trae a todos más juntos!

    Ouch.

  14. Aaron Miller

    I agree that you might as well create a separate site for Spanish speakers, because anyone writing and reading in Spanish would not be interacting with those who prefer English.

    It is honorable to know multiple languages. It is not honorable to refuse the primary language or dialect when interacting with a broad group.

    Dialects alone would divide us if we didn’t adapt to the public forum. If not for Mel Brooks, Texans like myself wouldn’t understand a scrap of Yiddish.

  15. ConservativeWanderer

    If it happens, I will leave.

    Ricochet is one of the few places where I don’t have to “Press 1 for English.”

    You wanna reach out, set up a second website. Don’t screw with what you have.

  16. ConservativeWanderer
    Busy System Admin: By the way, it would do y’all a world of good to learn another language.

    Pick one and stick with it.

    Spanish is relatively easy compared to Mandarin Chinese, etc. but even spoken Mandarin is quite manageable (the writing system is fascinating, but takes years of commitment, obviously).  Personally, Korean is the hardest language I have learned.

    Oh, and by the way– English is as hard or harder than almost any other language to learn.

    We want people to learn English when they come here, and properly so.  But how many Americans who work in or emigrate to another country bother to learn its language?  In my experience, all too often they don’t make a serious effort. · 1 hour ago

    It would also do a world of good for immigrants to learn our language.

    Just ask Sarah Hoyt. She came from Portugal, and learned English so well she now works as an author.

  17. Whiskey Sam
    Busy System Admin: By the way, it would do y’all a world of good to learn another language.

    Pick one and stick with it.

    Spanish is relatively easy compared to Mandarin Chinese, etc. but even spoken Mandarin is quite manageable (the writing system is fascinating, but takes years of commitment, obviously).  Personally, Korean is the hardest language I have learned.

    Oh, and by the way– English is as hard or harder than almost any other language to learn.

    We want people to learn English when they come here, and properly so.  But how many Americans who work in or emigrate to another country bother to learn its language?  In my experience, all too often they don’t make a serious effort. · 1 hour ago

    BSA, some of us speak more than just English.  That really has no bearing on this.  You’re talking about ghettoizing Ricochet.  There’ll be the English speakers’ tab, and the Spanish speakers’.  Next will be the Mandarin or Hindi or whichever racial group becomes the next vital demographic we need to pander to for votes.  It fragments our Ricochet community and our society, and it’s the kind of identity politics conservatives supposedly deplore.

  18. ConservativeWanderer
    Whiskey Sam

    BSA, some of us speak more than just English.  That really has no bearing on this.  You’re talking about ghettoizing Ricochet.  There’ll be the English speakers’ tab, and the Spanish speakers’.  Next will be the Mandarin or Hindi or whichever racial group becomes the next vital demographic we need to pander to for votes.  It fragments our Ricochet community and our society, and it’s the kind of identity politics conservatives supposedly deplore. · 1 minute ago

    Don’t forget the Ebonics tab for reaching out to African-Americans.

  19. ConservativeWanderer

    If Spanish-speakers truly want to read Ricochet, there are many online free translation services they can use.

    Bing translator:

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  20. John H.

    How many of these fabled voters actually know how to read Spanish?