Regarding Christopher Dorner

I’ll be brief here as time and sleep are in short supply amid the hunt for Christopher Dorner. I address this post to those diseased souls who find Dorner to be engaged in some sort of noble campaign against a corrupt police department.

In his online screed in which he sought to justify his murderous quest for revenge, he wrote that his quarrel was only with the LAPD, and that officers from other departments had nothing to fear from him. “For all other agencies,” he wrote, “do not involve yourself in this capture or recovery of me. Look at the big picture of the situation. They (LAPD) created the situation. I will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/IDOL [immediate defense of life] situation.”

It should come as little surprise that he is not a man of his word. The two Riverside Police Department officers he allegedly shot Thursday morning were not attempting to stop him and were unaware of his presence until the moment he opened fire on them. One of them was killed, the other seriously wounded. The dead officer leaves a wife and two young children.

Dorner is not on a crusade for justice. He kills for the same reason most murderers do: because he likes it. Put that on your Facebook page.

  1. 10 cents

    Dorner is not on a crusade for justice.  He kills for the same reason most murderers do: because he likes it.  Put that on your Facebook page.

    I don’t know if he likes it or not but he can justify the suffering of others. Human soul can rationalize anything.  A really sick soul sees evil as good.  They become blind to their own depravity because they feel they are reacting to the evil inflicted on them. “It is not my fault. They started it.” is their creed. I feel pity for this man’s family who are innocent but will be considered guilty by association. As for the Dorner, I am reminded of judges pronouncing the death sentence and ending it with “God have mercy on your soul.” He has used up his earthly mercy and he will be in God’s hands soon.

  2. skipsul
    Locke On: It’s unfortunate that some of your comrades haven’t bothered to identify their targets before they open fire, and can’t hit what they aim at when they do.  Hopefully they will be dealt with appropriately.  If not, it will decrease LAPD’s credibility, and (alas) increase the plausibility of Dorner’s screed. · 6 hours ago

    I would be careful here not to draw parallels between Dorner and the rest of the LAPD.  Whatever the faults of the latter, Dorner is, like Adam Lanza, a freak and a sociopath who has cast himself as the hero in his own action movie.  

  3. Locke On
    skipsul

    Locke On: It’s unfortunate that some of your comrades haven’t bothered to identify their targets before they open fire, and can’t hit what they aim at when they do.  Hopefully they will be dealt with appropriately.  If not, it will decrease LAPD’s credibility, and (alas) increase the plausibility of Dorner’s screed. · 6 hours ago

    I would be careful here not to draw parallels between Dorner and the rest of the LAPD.  Whatever the faults of the latter, Dorner is, like Adam Lanza, a freak and a sociopath who has cast himself as the hero in his own action movie.   · 1 hour ago

    I’m referring to Dorner’s claims of malfeasance and cover up in the department.  I don’t have to make a hero of him to point out that protecting those who open fire on civilians, unprovoked and without evidence, would lend credibility to those claims.

  4. Jerry Carroll

    Dorner has gone from garden-variety ghetto killer to celebrity murderer. It’s not hard to do in our debased culture. In other news about celebrity murderers, the National Enquirer, perhaps the most reliable of our present day media, reports that OJ Simpson has become a homosexual in prison. This might mean when he is released he will be able to broaden his search for the real killer to gay bars and bathhouses. 

  5. skipsul
    Jerry Carroll: Dorner has gone from garden-variety ghetto killer to celebrity murderer. It’s not hard to do in our debased culture. In other news about celebrity murderers, the National Enquirer, perhaps the most reliable of our present day media, reports that OJ Simpson has become a homosexual in prison. This might mean when he is released he will be able to broaden his search for the real killer to gay bars and bathhouses.  · 16 minutes ago

    I did NOT need that image before lunch.

  6. outstripp

    My objection to Christopher Dorner is that I couldn’t tell he was black just from his name.

  7. skipsul
    outstripp: My objection to Christopher Dorner is that I couldn’t tell he was black just from his name. · 12 minutes ago

    “A Black Sherrif?”

  8. Whiskey Sam

    It is another sign of the sickness of our culture that some find something heroic in this sociopath.  Stay safe, Jack.

  9. Elizabeth Van Horn

    Jack, thank you for the information.  I read Dorner’s manifesto and right after the preamble, was this line:

    The question is, what would you do to clear your name?”

    The answer obviously is not to go on a homicidal killing rampage!

    Our thoughts are with you, and those in the path of danger.  Report back when you’re able.  

  10. skipsul

    Godspeed Jack.

  11. John Grant
    C

    Jack,

    No sane, decent human being should find anything to admire in Christopher Dorner. His actions are simply reprehensible.

    But it is not a good sign that the attention is focused mostly on his cop-killing. Dorner murdered two other citizens in cold blood. They weren’t LAPD–they weren’t police at all.

    The police who shot at the innocent civilians should be fired, and a grand jury should consider charges. They are not like Dorner. They did not set out to murder. But their gross incompetence is inexcusable. If a regular citizen did what they did, they would be prosecuted, and rightly so.

    The rights of all citizens deserve the equal protection of the laws.

  12. Locke On

    It’s unfortunate that some of your comrades haven’t bothered to identify their targets before they open fire, and can’t hit what they aim at when they do.  Hopefully they will be dealt with appropriately.  If not, it will decrease LAPD’s credibility, and (alas) increase the plausibility of Dorner’s screed.

  13. Wylee Coyote

    What the man said.  Keep your head on a swivel, Jack.

  14. Wylee Coyote
    John Grant: But it is not a good sign that the attention is focused mostly on his cop-killing. Dorner murdered two other citizens in cold blood. They weren’t LAPD–they weren’t police at all.

    Don’t know that it’s been “mostly focused”.  I’ve mostly seen him characterized as “fugitive ex-cop”, rather than “cop-killer”.  Still, given that four of the six people he has fired on so far (though only one of those he has actually killed) have been police officers, and his “warfare” is nominally directed at the LAPD, it’s certainly fair to point it out.

    Unsurprisingly, it’s the people who are lionizing him that are minimizing the murder of Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence.  Don’t want to upset the narrative, don’t you know.

  15. John Grant
    C

    Hi Wylee,

    I was responding in particular to Jack’s post, where no reference is made to the fact that 2 of the the 3 dead are civilians.

    Murdering police is simply evil, but it is no more evil than murdering anyone. Two police are shot and thousands of police are mobilized. Thousands of police would not have been on the streets looking for a someone who had “only” murdered two civilians.

    Police in CA have shot and wounded one innocent woman and injured two other civilians with the irresponsible use of force. That is unacceptable in a country based on the idea that the rights of all should be equally protected.

    Wylee Coyote

    Don’t know that it’s been “mostly focused”.  I’ve mostly seen him characterized as “fugitive ex-cop”, rather than “cop-killer”.  Still, given that four of the six people he has fired on so far (though only one of those he has actually killed) have been police officers, and his “warfare” is nominally directed at the LAPD, it’s certainly fair to point it out.

    . · 3 hours ago

  16. Whiskey Sam

    John, the reason thousands of police are on the streets is because Dorner has now killed three people and named 40 others he’s targeting.  Do you honestly think if a sociopath had done this without killing a cop that they wouldn’t be making the same effort?  This situation is bad enough without having baseless accusations thrown around wildly. 

  17. John Grant
    C

    Yes Whiskey Sam, I do. Multiple homicides are sadly not a rarity in our world. Usually they don’t provoke this kind of response, and you don’t find multiple instances of police shooting the wrong people in response.

     

    Whiskey Sam: John, the reason thousands of police are on the streets is because Dorner has now killed three people and named 40 others he’s targeting.  Do you honestly think if a sociopath had done this without killing a cop that they wouldn’t be making the same effort?  This situation is bad enough without having baseless accusations thrown around wildly.  · 13 hours ago

  18. Whiskey Sam
    John Grant: Yes Whiskey Sam, I do. Multiple homicides are sadly not a rarity in our world. Usually they don’t provoke this kind of response, and you don’t find multiple instances of police shooting the wrong people in response.

      · 42 minutes ago

    The circumstances don’t bear that out.  The first victim was a police captain’s daughter.  If there were a biased response purely because police were targeted, surely we would have seen that response from the get-go with a captain’s daughter involved.  The initial reports said they didn’t know Dorner was involved.  Once they knew who they were looking for, and he named 40 other targets, the manhunt began. 

    You don’t find multiple instances of police shooting the wrong people here either.  You find an instance where two people were shot mistakenly and a third was fired upon as part of that same instance.  There are not multiple instances of cops opening fire all over SoCal tied to this case.

  19. Kervinlee

    How on Earth did this deranged lunatic get accepted by the Navy or hired by the LAPD in the first place?

    If we can’t screen out guys like Dorner who seek positions of high civic trust, how can we reliably expect to spot maniacs like Adam Lanza, or James Holmes, or Jared Loughner or the countless other time-bombs out there?

    These jerks will cost us all our freedoms and liberties eventually, all in the name of public safety.

  20. John Grant
    C
    Sorry, I disagree. Read the Chicago or Detroit crime reports. I believe there were 532 homicides in Chicago last year, and the number of police actually decreased. No one in authority cares about the mostly minority victims of homicide there. The DC sniper was, well, in DC. THAT is important.
    Wylee Coyote

    True, multiple homicides are not rare, but ongoing multiple homicides in different locations with extensive threats of more to come definitely are. Not to mention that the victims are essentially chosen at random – yes, he has a list of people he claims have wronged him, but he’s targeting people related to them as well, and killed a Riverside cop, even though he claimed in his manifesto that he wasn’t a danger to other officers from outside the LAPD.

    The closest analogue to this situation is really the DC sniper case.  There was in fact a massivemanhunt and investigation during that case, and no police were ever hurt by those men. · 3 hours ago

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