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Redraw the Map

The American Founders wanted to build a republic that would endure, but history warned them that republics are fragile and short-lived. They concluded that size was a factor. Rome, for example, lost its republican institutions as it expanded.

The Founders’ solution was brilliant. A large, continental nation could not be a republic, but it could be a federation of republics. The result was phenomenally successful.

Sadly, the temptation to centralize and bureaucratize has been indulged m…

  1. Misthiocracy

    If the separation of powers as defined by the Constitution were actually respected by federal lawmakers, there would be no need.

  2. Philopus

    Author Joel Garreau’s went through just such an exercise in his 1982 book The Nine Nations of North America. It is surprising how many of his arguments still hold up. 

  3. Diogenes
    Philopus: Author Joel Garreau’s went through just such an exercise in his 1982 book The Nine Nations of North America. It is surprising how many of his arguments still hold up.  · in 0 minutes

    I read that book back in ’83.  I recall that Texas would have to be split into 3 parts because it’s where 3 of those “nations” intersect (I think the names were Deep South, Breadbasket, and Meximerica). 

  4. MBF

    Please, don’t lump us in with Chicago. Please! Wisconsin+Minnesota+UP would make for a nice little “New Canada.” Maybe throw in the Dakotas to offset the socialist impulses of Minnesota voters.

  5. BrentB67

    I don’t agree with your premise that the federal can’t be returned to its original limitations.

  6. DrewInWisconsin
    Mark Belling Fan: Please, don’t lump us in with Chicago. Please! Wisconsin+Minnesota+UP would make for a nice little “New Canada.” Maybe throw in the Dakotas to offset the socialist impulses of Minnesota voters.

    That’s what my map does. Unfortunately, I cut off Milwaukee and Madison. I had to. I’m sure you understand.

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    So, I now live in “Northlandia.” Just to the south is “Rustbeltistan” with its capital in Chicago.

    Over on the right is “The United Colonies of Radical Chic.” The South is called “The South.”

    Over to the left is “Fruitlandia” and “North Mexico.”

    The middle portions consist of “Flatland” and “Humpland.”

    Alaska is part of Northlandia. Given that we have both Alaska and North Dakota, we are the oil barons of the world. Nyeah nyeah nyeah.

  7. MBF
    DrewInWisconsin

    Mark Belling Fan: Please, don’t lump us in with Chicago. Please! Wisconsin+Minnesota+UP would make for a nice little “New Canada.” Maybe throw in the Dakotas to offset the socialist impulses of Minnesota voters.

    That’s what my map does. Unfortunately, I cut off Milwaukee and Madison. I had to. I’m sure you understand. · 1 minute ago

    I understand, and that’s why it hurts so much..

  8. JSAN

    Wait a minute!  As a fifth generation Mississippian (as well as Son of the American Revolution) I object to being joined to Alabama in your proposed map.  I much prefer Louisana and Arkansas as united republics.  Please forgive me Alabama folks but I just prefer cajuns and razor backs.

  9. Whiskey Sam

    The problem is that there are not regional divides.  It’s largely an urban/rural divide.  The people who want to live under different social structures are not largely different state to state, they’re different within each state depending on whether you’re in a city or in the countryside.  That’s what makes the idea of shuffling the board virtually impossible.

  10. Frozen Chosen

    There’s no reason the country couldn’t be split into 2 separate nations.  Each state could vote on which “country” they wanted to join.  If people didn’t like the country where their state ended up they could move.

  11. Fredösphere
    Whiskey Sam: The problem is that there are not regional divides.  It’s largely an urban/rural divide.  The people who want to live under different social structures are not largely different state to state, they’re different with each state depending on whether you’re in a city or in the countryside.  That’s what makes the idea of shuffling the board virtually impossible. · 1 minute ago

    I know, I know. Sad, really.

  12. Fredösphere

    Just so everyone knows, the map I used as an illustration is not my suggested division. I picked it purely as something readily available that would quickly, visually communicate the idea of a divided United States.

  13. Fredösphere
    Frozen Chosen: There’s no reason the country couldn’t be split into 2 separate nations.  Each state could vote on which “country” they wanted to join.  If people didn’t like the country where their state ended up they could move. · 2 minutes ago

    If Michigan ended up in a left-leaning grouping, I’d happily organize an Ann Arbor-Austin house exchange website so conservatives in Ann Arbor and liberals in Austin could follow their hearts, so to speak. Both locations have unbearable temperatures for four months out of the year, and in every other way the cities are similar, so it’d be a wash.

  14. Chris O.
    Douglas

    Diocletian gave a valiant (if flawed) effort, but he was simply a speed bumb  on the slippery slope that eventually ended with the sacking and slow death of a once great civilization.  And looking at US history, Reagan looks more and more like our Diocletian every day. · 12 minutes ago

    Diocletian was loved by the people, hated by the Senate (elites).

  15. Misthiocracy
    Chris O.: 

    Give Chicago to the east, or to Michigan…

    … or to Lake Michigan.

    ;-)

  16. Masked Man

    Two nations. One country, the Free States of America = Texas on up (Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska) — and everything else, Slavonia. 

  17. Austin Murrey
    QuickerBrownFox: Here’s mine. It’s based on cultural differences. I didn’t know what to do with the Great Plains and the north country weirdos, so I just made them (us?) their own region. Also, Florida should probably go in with Southern California/Arizona as an exclave. · 41 minutes ago

    Edited 38 minutes ago

    Texas has already sacrificed enough of it’s sacred land to Colorado and New Mexico.  I object to surrendering any more on principle.

  18. Douglas LeBlanc

    Speaking as a lover of dystopian stories with a sense of humor, I see some truth in this map from the endpapers of Robert Ferrigno’s Prayers for the Assassin.

  19. Doug Kimball

    As a proud Arizonan, Texas belongs with us, along with Utah.  The question is, what to do with the sad state of New Mexico?  I say annex them and hope all the leftists emigrate to Colorado. 

  20. Frozen Chosen
    Spin: I’ve said for years that Washington, Oregon, and Idaho, being the nicest three states in the union, should secede and for their own more perfect union.  I hold by that.  What the rest of you chumps do is up to you!   · 1 hour ago

    I think Idaho might have an issue joining up with a couple of socialist “paradises” like WA and OR.

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