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Over to You, Fred Cole

Two women delivering newspapers were shot by police who confused their blue Toyota Tacoma for that of the suspected (crazy) cop killer.

I lean libertarian, and things like this help firm up my conviction that a civilian is a civilian whether they are police or not. If we’ve reached a point where we require a militarized police force, the civil society is dead. Le…

  1. Fred Cole

    What can I add to that?

    Edit: No worries.  I’ll find something.

  2. Fred Cole

    Cue the “small government” conservatives who insist we give police everything they claim they need.  Including military equipment.

  3. The King Prawn

    According to the story, “Freeway signs urged motorists to call 911 if they saw the suspect’s 2005 Nissan Titan as officers patrolled the streets near one of the Riverside County crime scenes with rifles at the ready.”

    So, apparently the suspect isn’t even driving a Toyota; he’s in a Nissan. A full sized pick up, not a compact like the Tacoma. Woe to you, Californians, who drive blue pick ups this week. It doesn’t matter what make of vehicle you’re in if it’s blue and the cops with “rifles at the ready” see you.

    I’m rethinking gun control. We need to limit what is available to law enforcement.

  4. 10 cents

    Police, in their defense said that they thought the newspapers were the Washington Times. 

    If any one is anyway connected to these women I grieve for this senseless violence. I use humor to cope with the unthinkable. My prayers are with the families of these women and families of the cops who are completely innocent.

  5. Fake John Galt

    This has a corrupt cop takes on a corrupt system “movie of the week” written all over it.

  6. RightinChicago

    Noone rules anymore.

    It’s become….

    THUNDERDOME.jpg

    Except, nobody is gonna leave this one.

  7. Vance Richards

    I thought “Shoot first, ask questions later” was a silly movie line, not actual police policy. This is both sad and frightening.

  8. Fake John Galt

    I have noticed that law enforcement does not seem to be able to determine make / model / color of vehicles very well.  Over the years I have been pulled over for various “alerts” where I am required to show all the necessary “documents” and answer invasive questions.  Later to find out that the vehicle in the alert is similar to mine only in the vaguest sense.  If the alert was for a “white 2007 Dodge RAM 2500 4×4 truck” my “silver 1998 Ford F-150 2X4 truck” is close enough for a pull over. 

    Considering how trigger twitchy the police are over this issue I would not drive a dark truck within a 200 mile radius of these events.

  9. KC Mulville

    I wonder what Jack Dunphy is feeling right now. Gotta be a tough few days.

  10. Fred Cole: Cue the “small government” conservatives who insist we give police everything they claim they need.  Including military equipment. · 17 minutes ago

    It’s the equipments’ fault.

    I’ve often wondered why we continue to accept traffic video as evidence, road blocks to ‘prevent’ drunk driving, swat teams for civil offenses (suspected Lacey Act offenders- Gibson- farmers, black market traders, on and on). I don’t think the issue is intellectual or sexy enough- yet. How did Auschwitz Happen? Perhaps because the German people did not fight hard enough for SSM and pot legalization. Harsh, I know. Edited to add the scandals connected confiscation of private property during crimes (by police dept., Fish&Game enforcement) and what happens to it afterwards. BTW I have friends and relatives in regular law enforcement (not Fish&Game type stuff) and I am very happy to get help from police when needed. It’s the laws and regs not the equipment or the people.
  11. Franco

    When an armed cop killer is on the loose these guys aren’t taking any chances. The downside of shooting civilians ? Well if you can justify it somehow, not much. The downside of not shooting and being killed? So they made their choice. These cops and their bosses and trainers should ALL be punished. 

  12. Jimmy Carter

    The women were shot for littering.

    Seriously, though, what in the world did these Women do to make the officers think they’d be justified in killing the Women?

    After all those bullets One was shot in the hand and the Other in the back. A burglar would be better off breaking in a police officer’s home than Yer average Citizen’s.

  13. raycon and lindacon

    It’s beginning to look a great deal like ‘them against us’.  The fear in the past was always that a military against civilian uprising could someday happen.  Now, with the militarization of the cops, the hope that the local cops would be on our side is fading fast.

    ATF, Homeland Security and the rest of the SWAT team agencies, arming up to everything including armored vehicles, stocking up on more ammo than the DOD buys, makes it obvious that tyranny is in the wind. 

    This is the kind of situation that breeds fatal mistakes that explode into even unintended disaster.

    It might, indeed, be us against the government, with anyone in government being the enemy, at least until they declare themselves by their actions.

  14. The King Prawn
    raycon and lindacon: This is the kind of situation that breeds fatal mistakes that explode into even unintended disaster.

    It might, indeed, be us against the government, with anyone in government being the enemy, at least until they declare themselves by their actions. · 0 minutes ago

    This is my fear as well. What ever happened to government of the people? We are them, and they are us. Or, at least it used to be that way. Now it is becoming much more an us and them situation.

    Damn these medical bills. I wanted to spend my entire tax return on weapons…

  15. Johnny Dubya

    Details will continue to emerge, but at this point it is difficult to imagine:

    • that this would have occurred had the shooter been targeting, say, gas-station attendants;

    • that correct procedures were followed;
    • or that the officers could possibly have any explanation that would justify their being kept on the force after this incident.
  16. Fred Cole
    PracticalMary

    Fred Cole: Cue the “small government” conservatives who insist we give police everything they claim they need.  Including military equipment. · 17 minutes ago

    It’s the equipments’ fault.[snip]

    It’s the laws and regs not the equipment or the people. 

    I should clarify.  It’s not the equipment’s fault.  It’s the mindset among government and police agencies that they need military equipment or that small towns need tanks.  

    The corollary mindset that the public should be made to pay for any extravagant equipment or facilities the police claim to need merely because they claim to need it is also odious.

  17. Fake John Galt
    Franco: When an armed cop killer is on the loose these guys aren’t taking any chances. The downside of shooting civilians ? Well if you can justify it somehow, not much. The downside of not shooting and being killed? So they made their choice. These cops and their bosses and trainers should ALL be punished.  · 26 minutes ago

    Edited 23 minutes ago

    What downside?  You can always get more citizens.  It is not like those guys have any rights any more. 

  18. The King Prawn

    So, let me get this straight. We the people should not have “assault weapons” because a) we don’t need them, and b) we’re not properly trained to use them. Law enforcement should have such weapons because a) they need them to protect us (because we sure can’t do that ourselves), and b) they are the trained professionals. Now, these trained professionals are going around shooting things up in what can only be described as a state of either fear or panic. Having spent most of my adult life guarding our most sensitive weapons, that type of behavior doesn’t sound very well trained or very professional to me. I’ve stood watch with a real assaut rifle, and I never shot any threatening paper ladies.

  19. John Grant
    C

    Hi King Prawn,

    I have one quibble with your piece. Shooting innocent civilians is not Hobbesian. The whole points of Hobbes’ argument is for a regime that secures the lives of its citizens.

    We use Hobbes as a metaphor for unlimited government. But Hobbes’ Leviathan is in many ways much more limited than our regime today.

  20. KP brought in Fred, but I realize my post went back to thoughts I had this morning when I read somebody’s post that said ‘Call the Irony Police’.

    Got me off thread and I am interested to read others thoughts on the main topic. Most police just want to do their job and have to protect themselves. It’s up to us to define it (or should be). That is the main problem but I think it might be easier to solve on a local basis and even has a chance on the Federal level as people are hearing about swat teams descending on businesses, farms and individuals. Very bad stuff. Just like the drone thing I think some Dems can be swung on this if it’s concentrated on.

    For instance the Lacey Act is back in full force and one of our products (acoustic instrument) is being held hostage at the Canadian border. UPS washes its hands of it. The customer expects us to solve the situation, but should be glad they weren’t physically carrying it. That bad mandolin. Some may consider this not applicable either, but remember the armed raids and confiscations.

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