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On The Developing Manvolution

So in one of my classes I am working on an activism project using social media. The assignment is to pick a cultural phenomenon that I want to change or promote. I chose to do it on the manliness and the popular images of men in media.

It seemed like a good fit because this topic has been on my mind all year. In January I bought Bill Bennett’s The Book of Man, an excellent book that is a collection of readings on the meaning of true manhood. I also like to visit The Art of Manliness <…

  1. Guruforhire

    It really is a good website, I have been checking in periodically for a few years now and like it when something pops up on my facebook feed.

  2. Jimmy Carter

    Well, guys don’t have to be Men as long as there are women who are not Ladies.

  3. Guruforhire
    Jimmy Carter: Well, guys don’t have to be Men as long as there are women who are not Ladies. · 1 minute ago

    I kind of look at it kind of like one of the apostles talked about hte old covenant.  If you want me to be a man and fulfill my side of the bargain you had better be living up to yours.

  4. Crow

    Excellent choice, Bereket., a social trend that desperately needs changing.

    If you haven’t read it, Harvey Mansfield’s book Manliness is another good resource.

  5. Kelly B

    I think it was a Charles Murray post (or possibly Walter Russell Mead) in the last week or so that said that part of the problem was that women are not, indeed, behaving like ladies, and allowing men to behave as gentlemen without fighting, that got me thinking.  I am 51, raised right in the thick of all that mess in the late ’60s and the ’70s about women’s equality, and until reading that post, really thought it was preposterous that the person nearest the elevator door should stand there and wait for me to leave first.  When it happened, I got out first, but undoubtedly with an audible sigh.  No more.  I’ve decided to do what I can to make amends, and while I am not going to expect gentlemanliness in every encounter, I promise to say “thank you” and mean it, when I do find it.

    Sorry guys!!!

  6. Richard Fulmer

    Real men don’t go to websites to learn how to be manly, though they sometimes eat quiche.

  7. Olive
    bereket kelile

    It is about a multidimensional identity and it is grounded in a pursuit of virtue. 

    There has been talk here about winning back the culture. Well, the key to that is through men…

    Yes, and I would add that for the part of us ladies, we can support the manliness of men by rewarding their virtue—-that is, by holding out for a man who is willing to buy the cow, so to speak. We do this by not giving our hearts and bodies to louts whom, in the end, we enable to be louts. 

  8. Olive
    Jimmy Carter: Well, guys don’t have to be Men as long as there are women who are not Ladies. · 2 hours ago

    Exactly.

  9. Joan of Ark La Tex
    Guruforhire

    Jimmy Carter: Well, guys don’t have to be Men as long as there are women who are not Ladies. · 1 minute ago

    I kind of look at it kind of like one of the apostles talked about hte old covenant.  If you want me to be a man and fulfill my side of the bargain you had better be living up to yours. · 2 hours ago

    And we wonder why it is hard to find man who will take the lead. 

  10. Joan of Ark La Tex
    Olive

    Jimmy Carter: Well, guys don’t have to be Men as long as there are women who are not Ladies. · 2 hours ago

    Exactly. · 22 minutes ago

    Yes, it’s all the Ladies or someone else’s fault. 

  11. wilber forge
    Richard Fulmer: Real men don’t go to websites to learn how to be manly, though they sometimes eat quiche. · 2 hours ago

    Edited 2 hours ago

    Real men eat whatever they what, websites are just flat out amusing.

  12. Guruforhire
    Joan of Ark La Tex

    Guruforhire

    Jimmy Carter: Well, guys don’t have to be Men as long as there are women who are not Ladies. · 1 minute ago

    I kind of look at it kind of like one of the apostles talked about hte old covenant.  If you want me to be a man and fulfill my side of the bargain you had better be living up to yours. · 2 hours ago

    And we wonder why it is hard to find man who will take the lead.  · 1 hour ago

    Lead who, where, to whose end?  I reject the man=appliance theory of modern masculinity.  I am a person, and I get a say in my life.  If you want me to enter into the defined traditionalist arrangement of reciprocal duties and privileges, than I expect my partner to fulfill their part.  If they are unwilling than it is not a fruitful venture and I will not enter into it.  Shaming isn’t going to make a bad deal not a bad deal.

  13. Joan of Ark La Tex
    Guruforhire

    Lead who, where, to whose end?  I reject the man=appliance theory of modern masculinity.  I am a person, and I get a say in my life.  If you want me to enter into the defined traditionalist arrangement of reciprocal duties and privileges, than I expect my partner to fulfill their part.  If they are unwilling than it is not a fruitful venture and I will not enter into it.  Shaming isn’t going to make a bad deal not a bad deal. · 0 minutes ago

    Bereket asked how man can improve themselves in order to claim the conservative culture back.All you men commented are how bad the Ladies are – i.e.Whining. How about someone lead this conversation by answering his question? For every bad woman out there, there is an equally bad man. No one is asking you to enter into any arrangement you don’t want to, quite frankly, no one cares. It is just wrong to say there aren’t good women out there. If bereket were to ask how a woman can help bring conservatism back, you can be sure it won’t be nothing but a bunch of women whining about men. 

  14. Mr. Bildo

    Don’t forget The Beardly.

  15. Red Feline
    Joan of Ark La Tex

    Olive

    Jimmy Carter: Well, guys don’t have to be Men as long as there are women who are not Ladies. · 2 hours ago

    Exactly. · 22 minutes ago

    Yes, it’s all the Ladies or someone else’s fault.  · 3 hours ago

    Edited 3 hours ago

    We are back to the Creation story. Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the snake, the snake blamed the apple and said it made him do it. :-)

  16. Red Feline
    Joan of Ark La Tex

    Bereket asked how man can improve themselves …  

    Men and women are in what could be the exciting position of working out a new understanding of the relationship between them. This relationship can bring psychological growth to both parties, and add so much to life.

    So what do we want? I want, as a woman, and have always found, a man who treats me as an equal, a companion and mutual support in the difficulties in life. I treat him likewise. This, I have found, has made me grow as a person, and given life a deeper meaning.

    What do you want? What do you think a true man looks like? And a true woman?

  17. Mollie Hemingway

    There is nothing less masculine than asking women to take the lead in restoring the proper, healthy cooperation of the sexes. And the problem is such that we should all jump in, no?

  18. Mantis9

    Regardless of how women behave, men should behave like gentlemen.  If you frequent the Art of Manliness website you’ll find its more than acting out anachronistic culture duties you hope women will reciprocate.  Its about the genuineness of and appreciative attitude toward masculinity, minus the self-empowerment victim/pandering.

    If men behave better, the culture, at least, is halfway won.  And what woman wouldn’t find that attractive?

  19. Red Feline
    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: There is nothing less masculine than asking women to take the lead in restoring the proper, healthy cooperation of the sexes. And the problem is such that we should all jump in, no? · 14 minutes ago

    Absolutely, Mollie! Both sexes need to be equally involved in creating the Brave New World. It is a huge step forward that at last this challenge is being talked about, by both men and women. Life has changed so radically in the past relatively few years, that this makes change difficult for both sexes.

    What is a mature, masculine man? What is a mature, feminine woman?

    What do they want from life nowadays? Have the basics changed all that much really? 

    The first quality I look for is kindness, which is displayed in good manners and consideration for others. What do others think? I must ask my friends.

  20. Red Feline

    Come on, bereket, tell us what you think! You began this conversation, after all. :-)

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