No Bigger Fish To Fry?

We should all be as lucky as Cocoa, FL, a place that’s such a problem-free paradise that they have time for this nonsense:

COCOA — The city council passed a saggy-pants ordinance Tuesday night, but put off enforcement until Jan. 1.

The ordinance will ban pants or skirts…

  1. The King Prawn

    Does not a community have the authority to set its own decency standards and to determine the best method of enforcing those standards? I say levy the fine on the parents if the saggy pants wearer is a minor.

  2. Fred Cole
    The King Prawn: Does not a community have the authority to set its own decency standards and to determine the best method of enforcing those standards? I say levy the fine on the parents if the saggy pants wearer is a minor. · 0 minutes ago

    Really?  Decency standards?

    Its just a fad and a stupid one.  Is it worth fining people for their idiotic fads?

  3. Becky53

    Did you know that this fad is based on gang/prison culture?  It isn’t a fad alone, it is the context and the statement that is makes as well as it’s just icky.  This is what I learned here in Racine, Wisconsin from police who explained it to me after my son was randomly made victim of gang violence in his high schools’ halls.  I say, ban it!

  4. Foxman
    The King Prawn: Does not a community have the authority to set its own decency standards and to determine the best method of enforcing those standards? I say levy the fine on the parents if the saggy pants wearer is a minor. · 8 minutes ago

    I say you should go to a country that does not understand the word freedom.

  5. The King Prawn

    Just a fad? How long do fads last? According to wiki (I know, bastion of good info) it’s been a pop cultural thing since the ’90s. Fads don’t span generations.

  6. Foxman
    Becky53: Did you know that this fad is based on gang/prison culture?  It isn’t a fad alone, it is the context and the statement that is makes as well as it’s just icky.  This is what I learned here in Racine, Wisconsin from police who explained it to me after my son was randomly made victim of gang violence in his high schools’ halls.  I say, ban it! · 4 minutes ago

    Ok, so we have free expression unless the message is icky. Gotcha

  7. The King Prawn

    Look, I think the bill of rights would have worked better had they stopped with “Congress shall make no law,” but the truth is people in voluntary association in their communities have the authority to set standards of public behavior through their governments if the people believe other methods of controlling the behavior have failed.

  8. The King Prawn
    Foxman

    Becky53: Did you know that this fad is based on gang/prison culture?  It isn’t a fad alone, it is the context and the statement that is makes as well as it’s just icky.  This is what I learned here in Racine, Wisconsin from police who explained it to me after my son was randomly made victim of gang violence in his high schools’ halls.  I say, ban it! · 4 minutes ago

    Ok, so we have free expression unless the message is icky. Gotcha · 3 minutes ago

    Free expression? Exactly what is being expressed?

  9. Illiniguy
    The King Prawn: Look, I think the bill of rights would have worked better had they stopped with “Congress shall make no law,” but the truth is people in voluntary association in their communities have the authority to set standards of public behavior through their governments if the people believe other methods of controlling the behavior have failed. · 2 minutes ago

    Sorry, I have to disagree with you on this. However, in exchange for the heavy hand of government, it’d be nice to see some opprobrium heaped upon this behavior by a public that feels offended enough to pass an ordinance but not so offended that they’ll shame the person to his face.

  10. Foxman
    The King Prawn

    Foxman

    Becky53: Did you know that this fad is based on gang/prison culture?  It isn’t a fad alone, it is the context and the statement that is makes as well as it’s just icky.  This is what I learned here in Racine, Wisconsin from police who explained it to me after my son was randomly made victim of gang violence in his high schools’ halls.  I say, ban it! · 4 minutes ago

    Ok, so we have free expression unless the message is icky. Gotcha · 3 minutes ago

    Free expression? Exactly what is being expressed? · 4 minutes ago

    Did you read waht I was responding to :  “it is the context and the statement that is makes as well“  I can express solidarity with breast cancer victims with a pink ribbom (I think this has gotten out of hand, but that’s another issue).  I can express sympathy for those unjustly incarcerated by dressing like an idiot. it’s in the constitution.

  11. The King Prawn
    Illiniguy

    The King Prawn: Look, I think the bill of rights would have worked better had they stopped with “Congress shall make no law,” but the truth is people in voluntary association in their communities have the authority to set standards of public behavior through their governments if the people believe other methods of controlling the behavior have failed. · 2 minutes ago

    Sorry, I have to disagree with you on this. However, in exchange for the heavy hand of government, it’d be nice to see some opprobrium heaped upon this behavior by a public that feels offended enough to pass an ordinance but not so offended that they’ll shame the person to his face. · 4 minutes ago

    I think the behavior has been around long enough for shaming to have failed as a control mechanism. Plus, if the statement being expressed is “I’m a dangerous gang banger,” then how much in your face shaming is wise?

  12. Becky53

    Hey Foxman,  peace!  It is part of gang culture.  It isn’t merely a fad.  Some glorify gang violence with that statement.  And some are in gangs who are glorifying their gang identities. 

    Added note:  Nobody should be exposed to rear-end crackage for hygenic reasons.  So, ick-factor is also important.    

    Foxman

    Becky53: Did you know that this fad is based on gang/prison culture?  It isn’t a fad alone, it is the context and the statement that is makes as well as it’s just icky.  This is what I learned here in Racine, Wisconsin from police who explained it to me after my son was randomly made victim of gang violence in his high schools’ halls.  I say, ban it! · 4 minutes ago

    Ok, so we have free expression unless the message is icky. Gotcha · 14 minutes ago

  13. The King Prawn
    Foxman

    The King Prawn

    Foxman

    Becky53: Did you know that this fad is based on gang/prison culture?  It isn’t a fad alone, it is the context and the statement that is makes as well as it’s just icky.  This is what I learned here in Racine, Wisconsin from police who explained it to me after my son was randomly made victim of gang violence in his high schools’ halls.  I say, ban it! · 4 minutes ago

    Ok, so we have free expression unless the message is icky. Gotcha · 3 minutes ago

    Free expression? Exactly what is being expressed? · 4 minutes ago

    Did you read waht I was responding to :  “it is the context and the statement that is makes as well”  I can express solidarity with breast cancer victims with a pink ribbom (I think this has gotten out of hand, but that’s another issue).  I can express sympathy for those unjustly incarcerated by dressing like an idiot. it’s in the constitution. · 1 minute ago

    Find me one young asshat expressing sympathy for the unjustly imprisoned and we’ll talk. Until then, the argument is all hypothetical and not grounded in reality.

  14. Foxman

    When people sround my age (54) start complaining about the way youths dress today.  I ask them for a picture of themselves circa 1976.  Johnny Carson dressed like a clown back then.

  15. Foxman
    The King Prawn

    Foxman

    The King Prawn

    Foxman

    Becky53:

    ? · 4 minutes ago

    Did you read waht I was responding to :  “it is the context and the statement that is makes as well”  I can express solidarity with breast cancer victims with a pink ribbom (I think this has gotten out of hand, but that’s another issue).  I can express sympathy for those unjustly incarcerated by dressing like an idiot. it’s in the constitution. · 1 minute ago

    Find me one young asshat expressing sympathy for the unjustly imprisoned and we’ll talk. Until then, the argument is all hypothetical and not grounded in reality. · 6 minutes ago

    Right after you show the idealogical purity clause in the first amendment. 

    This is talking about our basic freedoms here people.

    Becky, Please explain the the hygeine issues of showing rear cleavage. Are we going to call CDC in against plumbers?  They do a lot of work in kitchens you know

  16. Fred Cole
    The King Prawn: Just a fad? How long do fads last? According to wiki (I know, bastion of good info) it’s been a pop cultural thing since the ’90s. Fads don’t span generations. · 40 minutes ago

    Well, lets call it a fashion then.

    You find it distasteful, but is it harmful in any way?

    I disagree with men wearing dress shirts with their suits in any color other than white.  Can I get that banned?

  17. Fred Cole
    The King Prawn: Does not a community have the authority to set its own decency standards and to determine the best method of enforcing those standards? I say levy the fine on the parents if the saggy pants wearer is a minor. · 1 hour ago

    You speak of the community, but its obviously not the whole community.  If this is enough of a problem that nanny busybodies see the need to ban it, then its obviously more than a couple of people doing it.  What about their standards?

    It’s not the whole community, its just a bunch of busybodies who find it distasteful and want to ban it.  It’s a tiny group of people imposing their will on everyone.

    (Extrapolate that last bit if you dare.)

  18. Fred Cole
    Becky53: Did you know that this fad is based on gang/prison culture?  It isn’t a fad alone, it is the context and the statement that is makes as well as it’s just icky.  This is what I learned here in Racine, Wisconsin from police who explained it to me after my son was randomly made victim of gang violence in his high schools’ halls.  I say, ban it! · 51 minutes ago

    Not for nothing, but so what?  The problem is with the gangs if they’re engaging in crimes, not what people wear.

    You can claim solid colors are a part of gang culture.  You can claim, as the Schenectady school district did, that beads are a part of gang culture, banned them in the school, and got sued by a kid who got suspended for wearing a rosary in memory of his brother.

    You may think the problem is gangs, and it may be, but these kinds of bans also catch up people just living their lives or trying to express themselves and not hurting anyone.

  19. kesbar

    Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.

    - Robert Heinlein

  20. Barkha Herman

    @Fred – normally, I would support you – but this is a pretty small community voting on the subject.  Free people have the right to come together and vote on things like these.  You should see Boca Raton, the only city that has a re starbucks sign, in keeping with the city’s aesthetic requirements.  It’s not for everyone, clearly, I don’t live in Boca; but the people who live there keep voting for it.

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