Immigration Politics, Or, Paul Ryan, Call Your Office

As immigration reform heads to the House, two observations, then a question.

The observations:

1.  The Senate just passed immigration reform with the votes of only 14 of 46 Republicans, or less than one-third of the GOP caucus. Even as moderate a Republican senator as Rob Portman of Ohio failed to vote “aye.”

2.  Speaker John Boehner has repeatedly insisted that he won’t even bring the bill to a vote unless it commands the support of a majority of House Republicans. I repeat. The Speaker won’t move this thing unless it commands a majority of his own caucus.

The question:  

Representative Paul Ryan is perhaps the leading proponent of immigration reform among House Republicans. He’s principled and he’s very, very intelligent, Lord knows. But what can he be thinking

  1. BrentB67
    jeffp: For general edification, I offer a tweet from Ricochet’s own Mark Krikorian (@MarkSKrikorian):

    “People need to understand NOW that Paul Ryan is a Judas Goat on immigration & not defer to him for months before figuring it out, a la Rubio.”

    I believe this is good advice. · 6 hours ago

    A similar statement could be made about his desire to grow the federal government.

  2. billy

    What are any of them thinking? Setting aside the obvious harm this bill will cause the country, it will be a complete disaster for the political fortunes for the Republican party.

  3. Bryan G. Stephens

    I don’t see how someone can vote yes for this bill and still be called “principled”. As of yet, none of them have given a straight answer on it. They are speeding it through and lying about parts of it.

    Principled does not enter into it, unless it means following the principle of elites siding with elites against the majority of voters.

    If Ryan is not doing that, then he needs to explain himself and not play Rubio Jr.

  4. jarhead
    C

    Ryan is thinking of his run for POTUS in 2016.

  5. Scott R

    He believes it’s the right thing to do, so he’s pushing for it.

    He also has a track record of coaxing Republicans over to his way of thinking.

    Whether he’s right or wrong, I’ve no idea.

  6. Nick Stuart
    Jimmy Carter

    Nick Stuart

    The Beltway Republicans apparently have no idea that the rank-and-file Republican voters out here in the districts are on the verge of a mutiny, and may go over the edge if we end up with a scamnesty bill & no border security. · 4 minutes ago

    A “Tea Party Mutiny”

    I like it. What would the event look like? We collectively burn Our Voter registration cards (I don’t want to throw them in any bodies of water)? · 10 hours ago

    A refusal to contribute time and/or money to candidates.

    A lot more people would simply stay home in 2014 and 2016 than did in 2012.

    Reps being primaried on the single issue of “I won’t vote for Boehner for House Speaker.” 

  7. Nick Stuart
    Jordan Wiegand: 

    In any event, the House will offer up its own bill.  No way Boehner lets the senate bill to the floor.  For some strange reason I’m very optimistic about the House allowing this debate to cool down a little bit, which is interesting, considering the Senate is supposed to be the more deliberative body. · 7 hours ago

    In which case it will go to a House/Senate conference, where the conferees will all be amnesty supporters of one variety or another. The final bill will have churned the words, and added plenty of pork, but otherwise be the same amnesty with no border security bill the Senate passed. Every politician will be able to claim they did something, and it will be 1986 all over.

  8. Eric Hines

    Representative Paul Ryan is perhaps the leading proponent of immigration reform among House Republicans. He’s principled and he’s very, very intelligent, Lord knows. But what can he be thinking?

    That our immigration system desperately wants reform.  Just not along the lines of the Senate’s nonsense.

    Eric Hines

  9. curtmilr

    Ryan is flat out WRONG on this, and if he persist, like Rubio, he will end any chance at a future advancement in national office.

    Pro-Amnesty Hispanics will never vote GOP under any circumstance. But anti-Amnesty Republicans and conservatives can definitely stay home on election day, as both McCain & Romney experienced.

    I like Ryan’s economic approach, if too slow, but he is is brain dead on this one!

    BTW, I don’t trust Boehner’s word on the Conference Bill at al, unles he freezes out ALL moderates to go to conference!

  10. E. Lee Zimmerman

    Uh … seriously, what evidence do we have that Paul Ryan is so intelligent?  If he’s joined himself at-the-hip to the losing proposition that is this particular form of Scammigration, I’d argue that he’s half-brained, at best.

  11. DocJay

    The fact that our politicians are willing to do business as usual in spite of FBI cover ups, DOJ cover ups, IRS cover ups, and general behavior that makes Nixon looks like a shoplifter, is very telling.   

    I am off tomorrow and will visit the DMV to change to the Libertarian party.  I can’t say I am in to their whole platform but at least they aren’t crooked betrayers of the constitution like our Dean Heller (R) NV. 

    Brian Watt’s Open Letter To The RNC says it all.  It should be main page.

  12. Jimmy Carter

    Let’s see…. Our government’s responsibilities include defending Our borders and upholding the law.

    After decades and decades of epic failure on the part of Our government in these areas, they want to tell Us that it’s Our immigration policies and laws that need “reform[ed].”

    The solution isn’t “immigration reform,” but government reform.

  13. WI Con

    I was thinking of Paul Ryan today after hearing yet another one of those scurrilous ads. I recall the emotion he showed when about 15,000 Cheese Heads came out on short notice after his selection as Romney’s running mate. I hope he savored that, cause I doubt that will happen again.

    We often talk of the consultant class and focus groups in this forum. My hunch is that they have reams of data suggesting that we’ll all fall in line, just like we did for Dole and McCain and Romney – after all, where are we going to go? Well, 6.1 million never left the house last time – I’m betting that number goes up in 2014.

     I agree with Doc Jay – see Brian Watt’s Open Letter to RNC.

  14. Butters

    the House should have been passing popular enforcement and visa reform measures a long time ago and sending them to Harry Reid

    instead they are in total reaction mode

    Boehner has no strategy to win the argument in the public arena, it’s pathetic. 

  15. BrentB67
    Nick Stuart

    Jimmy Carter

    Nick Stuart

    The Beltway Republicans apparently have no idea that the rank-and-file Republican voters out here in the districts are on the verge of a mutiny, and may go over the edge if we end up with a scamnesty bill & no border security. · 4 minutes ago

    A “Tea Party Mutiny”

    I like it. What would the event look like? We collectively burn Our Voter registration cards (I don’t want to throw them in any bodies of water)? · 10 hours ago

    A refusal to contribute time and/or money to candidates.

    A lot more people would simply stay home in 2014 and 2016 than did in 2012.

    Reps being primaried on the single issue of “I won’t vote for Boehner for House Speaker.”  · 54 minutes ago

    I think 2014 may be the year that breaks the pattern of mid term victories for the party out of power.

    With Obama not on the ticket and the sorry performance of republicans in Congress I think your 2nd bullet point will be very prophetic.

  16. Scott R
    DocJay:   

    I am off tomorrow and will visit the DMV to change to the Libertarian party.  I can’t say I am in to their whole platform but at least they aren’t crooked betrayers of the constitution like our Dean Heller (R) NV. 

     

    But docjay, aren’t the libertarians open-border types, by and large? Remember Ron Paul’s bizarre riff about his fear the fence will be used  to “keep us in”, etc.,?

  17. Majestyk

    A different Paul (of the Rand variety) got the message.  He voted against the bill.

    In the early jockeying for position on 2016, Rand Paul broke away from the pack with that move.

    Good for him.

  18. BrentB67

    Wow. The Ricochet patron saint of the right is taking a bit of a thrashing on the main page. Never thought I would see the day.

    I think the fundamental flaw in Ryan’s and others thinking is that they have yet to make the case of the need for immigration reform. A lot of good comments already posted by Jimmy Carter and others. Why don’t we try enforcing the laws we have in the books before we add 24lbs to the stack?

  19. DocJay
    Scott Reusser

    DocJay:   

    I am off tomorrow and will visit the DMV to change to the Libertarian party.  I can’t say I am in to their whole platform but at least they aren’t crooked betrayers of the constitution like our Dean Heller (R) NV. 

    But docjay, aren’t the libertarians open-border types, by and large? Remember Ron Paul’s bizarre riff about his fear the fence will be used  to “keep us in”, etc.,? · 5 minutes ago

    Ron Paul says some strange stuff every now and then.   He makes great sense and then spits out some weirdness like folks fleeing Chupacabras.

    I’m sick of crooks.  I’m sick of pork.  I’m sick of liars.  I’m sick of people who twiddle their thumbs while this administration full of racist criminals does whatever they want to and so few stand up to them.  Screw the GOP.  It’s I or L.  

  20. Nick Stuart
    WI Con: I was thinking of Paul Ryan today after hearing yet another one of those scurrilous ads. I recall the emotion he showed when about 15,000 Cheese Heads came out on short notice after his selection as Romney’s running mate. I hope he savored that, cause I doubt that will happen again.

    We often talk of the consultant class and focus groups in this forum. My hunch is that they have reams of data suggesting that we’ll all fall in line, just like we did for Dole and McCain and Romney – after all, where are we going to go? Well, 6.1 million never left the house last time – I’m betting that number goes up in 2014.

     I agree with Doc Jay – see Brian Watt’s Open Letter to RNC. · 26 minutes ago

    The Beltway Republicans apparently have no idea that the rank-and-file Republican voters out here in the districts are on the verge of a mutiny, and may go over the edge if we end up with a scamnesty bill & no border security.

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