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If You Like Your Health Plan, You Can Keep It! Unless You Work For Christians

The arts and crafts retail company Hobby Lobby has been fighting a mandate under Obamacare that forces it to include abortion drugs in its employee health care coverage.

Yesterday a federal judge ruled that the company must provide this coverage or face a penalty of $1.3 million each day. Why? Because they’re not religious, according to the judge. Last month, CEO and founder Da…

  1. Guruforhire

    They should close their doors and give everybody the nicest severance packages they can afford.

    If we are the problem, we can stop being a problem.  Its what they wanted right?

  2. Brandon Shafer

    It’s not over Mollie, this is a fight that will continue, probably until it becomes a Supreme Court Case.  

  3. Austin Murrey

    Mollie, you should remember that you’re perfectly free to agree with liberals on every policy point, and since they’re always on the correct, good, reality-based side (their opponents on foreign policy are basically Hitler) why would you want more freedom than that?

  4. Michael Kelly
    They will either cave, and the liberals win, or they will cut health benefits all together, thereby allowing liberals to say “see, heartless business will never protect women’s health and only care about profits!!  This is why we need single payer, so we can ensure all have access to health care.”  Elections have consequences. 
  5. Robert Promm

    What cannot be understood by non-Christians is that there is no division between the secular and the sacred for the true follower of Christ.  I am reminded of the verse: “Whatsoever you do in word or in deed, do all to the glory of God.”  That would include how I run my hobby store or my chicken restaurant.

  6. Vance Richards

    The First Amendment says nothing about churches. Freedom of religion is an individual right. If the government can decide who is and is not eligible for religious freedom, then what is the point of the establishment clause?

  7. Trace

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

    It seems really straightforward to me. There are no qualifiers here such as “unless you employ more than 50 people.”

    On the other hand, I suppose someone’s religion could call for human sacrifice and surely that would represent an exception. Judge Scalia says we have to understand what the common understanding would have been in the day. Surely that would have included no human sacrifice. But I’m not sure the framers could have even conceived of a government that would demand a business compensate its workers in a certain way. 

    I need one of our legal brains to sort this one out. 

  8. liberal jim

    The socialization of healthcare has been happening at a gradual pace for the last 50 yrs.  You have to admire Obama for sticking with his big government socialist principles.  He took a Romney principle, that government has a right to determine what insurance is acceptable, and enacted it on a national level. Certainly are freedoms are being eroded, that is what big governments do.   One party  says government is the answer to almost every problem and grows government when ever it can, the other party mumbles things about limiting government and freedom and then grows government.   Seems to me the only real difference is that one party seems to be more honest than the other.

    Then there are the pundits who claim to love liberty and instead of saying that the system is corrupt they back one party or the other and then are shocked when it becomes obvious that one more freedom is being flushed down the government designed toilet.  

    When will true believers in liberty wake up and realize they are being stab in the back by both parties.  

  9. ConservativeWanderer
    Guruforhire: They should close their doors and give everybody the nicest severance packages they can afford. · 1 hour ago

    If I were a business owner, that is precisely what I would do.

  10. Arahant

    They have four options:

    1. Continue to fight at great expense.

    2. Close the doors.
    3. Sell the business.
    4. Cave in to Cæsar.

    Were I in that situation, I would be looking for a buyer, or even for a buyout by the employees.  In a sense, this is abandoning the employees, and would be difficult for a Christian business owner.  On the other hand, when God wants one to find new opportunities, sometimes He gives one a shove.

  11. Arahant
    ConservativeWanderer

    Guruforhire: They should close their doors and give everybody the nicest severance packages they can afford. · 1 hour ago

    If I were a business owner, that is precisely what I would do. · 7 minutes ago

    It would probably be my second option.  If there were no buyer or way of making it employee-owned with a decent buy-out for me, I would shut it down.  I would prefer not to do that to loyal employees, though, and shutting down a business can be more expensive than other options.

  12. Michael Fuller

    http://theobamacrat.com/2012/11/19/the-president-i-barack-hussein-obama-visits-burma-myanmar/a8cxvncciaeztrg/“The LORD will bring you and your king whom you set over you to a nation that neither you nor your fathers have known. And there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone.”It’s only going to get worse. Prepare for persecution.

  13. BTConservative

    I was just in Hobby Lobby this morning browsing for gift ideas and party favors. What a shame for that company.

     Are those suburban moms (some of who I know), who voted for Obama while screaming for woman’s rights/binders/birth control, going finally understand the consequences of this administration when their inexpensive HL crafts are taken away and their beloved Targets close? 

  14. Aaron Miller

    Dear liberals,

    I want a divorce.

  15. ConservativeWanderer
    BTConservative:  Are those suburban moms (some of who I know), who voted for Obama while screaming for woman’s rights/binders/birth control, going finally understand the consequences of this administration when their inexpensive HL crafts are taken away and their beloved Targets close?  · 6 minutes ago

    No.

    As I just wrote in another thread: “…the leftist is never held accountable for anything that goes wrong.”

  16. Elephas Americanus

    Just the other day, I was listening to a podcast (by Deutsche Welle) lionizing the gay British couple who have spent two years successfully suing a Christian couple for denying them a room in their bed and breakfast because that would violate their religious principles.  One of the couple launched into a spiel about how he had to stand up for his beliefs because he needed others to know that they have the rights to stand up for what they believe in and for what they think is right.  Had this not been a “news” organization slightly to the left of Engels, someone might be tempted to ask, “But didn’t the Christian couple stand up for what they believe in?  Did they have a right to act on their principles?”

    But they didn’t.  And why should they?  That question is pretty much moot.  Christians have no religious rights.  In the eyes of the Left, Christians are superstitious nitwits who must be dragged kicking and screaming into the light of the new Liberal utopia the Democrats are cramming down our throats.

    The moral of the story:  If you want the government to respect your religious convictions, become a Muslim.

  17. ConservativeWanderer
    Elephas Americanus:

    The moral of the story:  If you want the government to respect your religious convictions, become a Muslim.· 2 minutes ago

    Does Islam allow gays to marry? ;)

  18. Elephas Americanus

    Not to belabor the point, but I wonder, if Hobby Lobby put out a statement like:

    We’re Muslims, and we run our business on Islamic principles. I’ve always said that the first two goals of our business are 1) to run our business in harmony with Allah’s laws, and 2) to focus on people more than money.  We believe that it is by Allah’s grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and He has blessed us and our employees.

    Would the current administration be so hellbent on forcing the corporation to comply with all aspects of ObamaCare?

  19. Sabrdance

    I realize it’s volunteering someone else for the lions, but there is a fifth alternative: tell the state to go to hell, or failing that come to the office with handcuffs.

  20. Elephas Americanus
    ConservativeWanderer

    Elephas Americanus:

    The moral of the story:  If you want the government to respect your religious convictions, become a Muslim.· 2 minutes ago

    Does Islam allow gays to marry? ;) · 6 minutes ago

    We cannot dictate to Muslims what they can and cannot do.  Only Christians.

    This is perhaps the most glaring paradox of the Left:  Before I had to stop listening to it for the sake of my blood pressure, I remember how paleo-Liberal Robert Scheer would argue on Left, Lefter, and Leftest (a.k.a., Left, Right, and Center) about how the West had to respect that the Muslim world will have their own Muslim governance and that we should not force Western values on them.

    But Christians?  They are flat-earthers who must be forced to support Planned Parenthood, gay marriage, kindgarten sex ed, and all other forms of “enlightened” Liberal social programs.

    Does it make sense?  Not at all.  But is it the Liberal’s way?  Absolutely.

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