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Has Your State Seceded Yet?

The White House has received secession petitions from 40 states now, with Texas getting over 80,000 supporters (no surprise). When a petition gets 25,000 signatures, it triggers a review by the White House. I’m going to guess that next week the White House will announce that their “We the People” program wil…

  1. Palaeologus

    This is ridiculous. No state is going to secede.

    And Bereket, while I agree that attacking So Cons as the cause of our shared electoral loss is idiotic, Libertarians don’t deserve to be tarred with the pro-secession brush.

    Sarbdance is right generally, most pointedly in item #5: if we’re talking about secessionists in Nov. 2012, we’re likely talking about cranks.

    You could probably find 25,000 people who believe “The Smoking Man” is the reason the Buffalo Bills lost four consecutive Super Bowls, or that musicals aren’t annoying, if you tried.

  2. Paul Dougherty
    Palaeologus: This is ridiculous. No state is going to secede.

    Agreed, but you can bet it is going to be held up as proof that conservatives are sore losers. Seen as trying to take the ball and go home. Galling.

  3. Cornelius Julius Sebastian
    Arahant: Have you seen the petitions to get the people who signed secession petitions thrown out of the country and stripped of their citizenship? · 7 hours ago

    Yes.  We are kidding ourselves if we don’t recognize where the increased polarization of this nation is headed.  Especiually once the economic [expletive] hits the fan.

  4. Cornelius Julius Sebastian
    bereket kelile

    The White House has received secession petitions from 40 states nonsense….

    In one sense this petition drive is pathetic and can be used as evidence of the decline of the rebel American spirit. I mean, did any of the southern states submit a petition to leave the Union? No. They blew Fort Sumter to pieces. They’d probably shake their heads if someone told them that their descendants would be such pansies that they were reduced to filling out bureaucratic paperwork to get another rebellion going. I know people like to say that the South will rise again but this isn’t what I had in mind….

    I heard the petition was rejected because it wasn’t filled out in triplicate. Crisis averted.  Whew!

  5. BrentB67

    Is secession by petition a long shot, probably. Consider this:

    Texas regularly has has 30+ 100 degree days in summer and counts on coal fired plants to cover the additional power during surge periods.

    Obama’s EPA has ordered many (all) of these plants closed. When summer gets here and Texas is faced with rolling blackouts, spoiled food, deaths from heat, etc. Texas authorizes the plants to stay on line.

    Obama continues his war on Texas and sends federal agents to shut the plants down.

    Texas responds with local law enforcement and Texas Rangers to intervene and keep the plants open. It is 100+, tempers are short, a clash between federal agents and local law enforcement ensues, a shot is fired.

    If secession ever happened it won’t take place on a White House web site. The Obama platform is soft tyranny that tends to manifest itself in ways not easy to predict, especially in a country with states that hold the 2nd Amendment dear.

    edit sp.

  6. BrentB67
    Paul Dougherty:   I’ll be        darned if I will tolerate loose talk of dissolution of this union!

    By God, it still has a future.

    P.S. I, of course, don’t mean to seriously cut off reasoned discussion. I got a little carried away with that last sentence. · 6 hours ago

    Edited 6 hours ago

    Paul, I served also and your passion and arguments  are well respected. I think your timing is off. The dissolution of the Union began when we as a nation stopped fighting to keep our republic.

    When the majority were seduced into voting themselves benefits from the Treasury believing they can pass the bill on to the ‘rich’ and their children via debt the dissolution of the Union was underway.

    This is what soft tyranny, soft dissolution, etc. looks like. I don’t think there will be a romantic Declaration of Independence moment the decay is well along and the endgame will come from places and events least expected, but it is coming because we have brought it on ourselves.

  7. Fake John Galt

    It seems to me that going to the White House website to fill out a petition is silly.  It would make more sense to go to the FBI site and sign up as “I am a crank that really does not like the President, Please investigate me.  Full body cavity searches and no knock warrants are optional.”

  8. Arahant

    Have you seen the petitions to get the people who signed secession petitions thrown out of the country and stripped of their citizenship?

  9. Joseph Paquette

    I think it would make more sense, to quietly prepare your state and local governments for seccession.  I would recommned several logical steps:  moving a states gold back to your state, issuing state ‘commerative coins’ in a variety of denominations (maybe a lot of them in reserve), and forming local and state emergency management systems that can be implemented without FEMA.  Now that I think about it, hasn’t Texas’ Governor Perry started most of that in the last 12 months. 

  10. Guruforhire

    I think a debate in the state houses on the value of the union is probably the healthiest thing that could possibly be done.

    Quebec and Scotland are still in their respective unions…..

    Kind of a marriage on the rocks, everybody has to step back and make a choice about what this all about and what the road ahead is like, and if its worth it.

  11. Tom Lindholtz

    My state, California, hasn’t succeeded, either, nor will it.

  12. BrentB67

    There may be some upside to this White House petition stuff. Austin has started a petition to secede from Texas if Texas secedes from the Union. 

  13. ConservativeWanderer
    Arahant: Have you seen the petitions to get the people who signed secession petitions thrown out of the country and stripped of their citizenship? · 12 hours ago

    Please show me where, in the Constitution:

    • The President has the ability to grant a petition of a state to secede.

    • The President has the ability to deport and remove the citizenship of people who sign petitions to secede?

    Here’s a hint: it doesn’t exist.

    This is all more in the same vein of Hollyweird leftists promising to leave the country if Republican X is elected. Name me one that has followed through on such a promise.

  14. The Mugwump

    Insisting on 10th Amendment principles is fine.  But this kind of nutbaggery needs to be avoided.  The press will have a field day with this.

  15. The King Prawn

    For those in the military or federal government employ: remember that you took an oath and signing one of these petitions is considered breaking that oath.

  16. Joan of Ark La Tex
    Tom Lindholtz: My state, California, hasn’t succeeded, either, nor will it. · 7 minutes ago

    Tom, aren’t we all living in California now? I kid ( kind of). 

  17. Misthiocracy

    No politician should encourage people to take “electronic petitions” seriously.

    Up here in Canuckistan, for petitions to Parliament to be valid, they must be on paper, they must include individual signatures in ink, they must follow a particular format, and before they are tabled in the House of Commons they are reviewed to reduce the amount of funny business, like “Clark Kent” and “Heywood Jablowmie”.

    Also, the petitions have to be submitted via a Member of Parliament, and the MP is not obliged to table the petition in the House if the MP thinks the petition is nuts. (You don’t have to submit the petition via your MP, so you simply find a sympathetic MP first.)

    For that, your petition is read into the public record and the government is obliged to respond within a certain number of days.

    If a person cannot take the time to go through the process of gathering genuine signatures from people, then that person doesn’t really care that much about an issue.

    Electronic signatures?  Bah, humbug!

    Wake me when there are 3.3 million (1% of the US population) genuine signatures, on paper, with no duplicates and no fake names.

  18. Joan of Ark La Tex
    The King Prawn: For those in the military or federal government employ: remember that you took an oath and signing one of these petitions is considered breaking that oath. · 7 minutes ago

    Does not apply to their wives and family. 

  19. The Mugwump
    bereket kelile:

    Back on a lighter note, maybe we can take advantage of this and do some hypothetical scenario-izing. If a rebellion were to get going then who do you think should be the president? Commander-in-Chief of the rebel army? How about Gary Johnson and David Petraeus? He should know something about insurgencies. His second-in-command could be Jesse Ventura. · · 29 minutes ago

    There is nothing light about this.  This is deadly serious stuff.  All it takes is one right-wing nut to open fire on a federal facility and all hell breaks loose.  Because you can be sure that on the other side there will be people who consider such an act a domestic insurrection.  No, no, no, no, no.  You don’t want to go here.  

  20. Joan of Ark La Tex

    Electronic Petitions is stupid. I will pay attention when majority of the people are hungry, cold and have nothing to lose. Then again, unlikely to happen to Red States.

    Our best bet is to do what Louisianans do, fortify ourselves : 

    LOUISIANA CITIZENS TO GUN-GRABBING JUDGES: COME AND TAKE IT

    Lie low and ride the waves. Listen to God for timing to build the ark. ( I kid, again)

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