GOProud and CPAC 2013

I’m a pro-life, pro-gun (why can’t I have an AR-15 if I want one?), budget-slashing, God-fearing conservative every day of the week.

Except on the issue of gay marriage.  

On that topic, I’m an utter RINO-squish. I’m totally in favor of it. All week long. 

Do my fellow Ricochetti have anything to say regarding GOProud’s continued exclusion from CPAC? It strikes me as complet…

  1. Bereket Kelile

    My understanding is that GOPROUD didn’t try to attend this year, after what happened last year. Doesn’t that make this a nonissue? A manufactured controversy?

  2. Barkha Herman
    BrentB67

    Last I checked the GOP didn’t write the Bible and I don’t recall any of it being negotiable. 

    God isn’t running a mass marketing campaign based on the opinions of political parties or focus groups.

    If GOPProud wants to attend I think they will add to the meeting and I am confident they may embrace many conservative principles. There are already some very good speakers on the schedule and their voices will raise the discourse.

    That does’t belittle the fact that there some things that aren’t negotiable. · 9 hours ago

    So, you are saying, GOP is the Church?  Are non-Christians allowed?

  3. James Of England
    BrentB67:….If GOPProud can’t accept the Biblical truth that underpins our Judeo Christian foundation then they are not the GOP’s ally. · 10 hours ago

    As Barkha notes, this sounds like an unusual position to take, but I’m not sure if I’m understanding it right. If Hindus wanted to attend, would that be OK? I have fond memories of hanging out with the Muslims for Bush (later, iirc, Muslims for America) at CPAC.

    Jonathan Werner: …..  If you happen to be a social conservative and you come across a gay conservative who agrees with you on 90% of the issues, to paraphrase Reagan, that gay conservative is your 90% ally, not your 10% enemy….

    I promise you, there will be plenty of gays at CPAC. Always have been. It’s not clear that GOProud’s institutional presence helps focus either side on the 90%.

    10 cents: FJG,

    How many passionate traditional marriage advocates are in their ranks? If it is less than 5% does not this show their lack of acceptance of various opinions? :-)

    You might be surprised. Here‘s their statement of beliefs, with more on marriage here. By Ricochet standards, they’re mildly pro-traditional marriage.

  4. Daniel Halbach
    Sisyphus:  The GOProud position is about as libertarian as Joey Stalin’s USSR. The libertarian position on marriage should be what’s the government doing getting involved to begin with? Register marriages? OK. Helps support the family. Streamline the processing of any name changes arising from a marriage? OK. Set the minimum age requirements? Fine. Mess with the semantics of an institution that has been defined in religious terms by myriad cultures since at least the invention of writing? Not bloody likely.

    Exactly! You stated that so much better than I did.

  5. James Of England
    NewRabble

    Sisyphus:  The GOProud position is about as libertarian as Joey Stalin’s USSR. The libertarian position on marriage should be what’s the government doing getting involved to begin with? Register marriages? OK. Helps support the family. Streamline the processing of any name changes arising from a marriage? OK. Set the minimum age requirements? Fine. Mess with the semantics of an institution that has been defined in religious terms by myriad cultures since at least the invention of writing? Not bloody likely.

    Exactly! You stated that so much better than I did. · 14 minutes ago

    I think you’re both confusing the GOProud position and the pro-SSM position. The GOProud position is federalist and democratic, opposing judicial imposition of SSM and supporting making the best of the legal framework in each state; if a state has civil unions, they support that state’s civil unions, for instance. You can disagree with it (and both opponents of SSM and proponents do), but Stalin’s form of libertarianism was not the same.

  6. BrentB67

    With all do respect claiming to be God-fearing and totally in favor of gay ‘marriage’ all week long is an oxymoron. 

    Marriage is the union of a man and a woman before God. This isn’t negotiable, waiverable, sort of, kind of, or any other squishy term. 

    Would I like to see GOProud participate in CPAC? Sure. I am not willing to claim I am on par with God and have the ability to bend God’s truth to accommodate them if their single point of light issue is gay ‘marriage’. If GOProud agrees with 90% of the GOP platform (whatever that big government pseudo progressive document details) then they are the GOP’s friend.

    If GOPProud can’t accept the Biblical truth that underpins our Judeo Christian foundation then they are not the GOP’s ally.

  7. I say let them in. CPAC seems to need members who know how to harp and harp on an issue until they get the public to agree just so they don’t have to hear about it anymore. A tactic the Left uses well.

  8. Elizabeth Van Horn

    Oh, I

    BrentB67:

    If GOPProud can’t accept the Biblical truth that underpins our Judeo Christian foundation then they are not the GOP’s ally.

    Oh, I disagree Brent.  Currently, the GOP is it’s own worse enemy.   They need voters.  But, ironically, they will spurn them, just like you have done here in your reply.  

    The GOP, is a political organization.  Thus, it can , and does, change it’s platform.  There’s nothing written in stone that says GOP must be anti-gay marriage.  So, I say yes, to Jonathan, GOProud.

    (Oh, and If someone feels like taking issue with my commenting on GOP strategy, I’m still technically a registered Republican, and have been all my life.  Because, my state makes us declare a party to vote in primaries, and only Dems & GOP are on the primary ballot.  So, I’ve stayed registered with the same party I started voting with at age 18.  So, I’ve probably been a registered Republican longer than many here on Ricochet. )

  9. 10 cents

    Till gay groups are more inclusive of the opposite sex in their marriages they should not be viewed with toleration. :-) 

  10. Fake John Galt

    CPAP should be open to all

  11. mask

    I’m against state sanctioned gay marriage and I think that GOProud should have been invited to CPAC.  I haven’t spent a lot of time reseaerching GOProud but they do seem to support a lot of conservative positions.   They don’t seem like a stealth liberal group (like some past pro gay marriage “conservative” groups have been).

    What’s the problem with civil debate?

  12. DrewInWisconsin
    Fake John Galt: CPAP should be open to all.

    The whole point of a CPAP is keeping those passages open!

  13. BrentB67
    Fake John Galt: CPAP should be open to all · 7 minutes ago

    Elizabeth Van Horn: Oh, I

    BrentB67:

    If GOPProud can’t accept the Biblical truth that underpins our Judeo Christian foundation then they are not the GOP’s ally.

    Oh, I disagree Brent.  Currently, the GOP is it’s own worse enemy.   They need voters.  But, ironically, they will spurn them, just like you have done here in your reply.  

    Last I checked the GOP didn’t write the Bible and I don’t recall any of it being negotiable. 

    God isn’t running a mass marketing campaign based on the opinions of political parties or focus groups.

    If GOPProud wants to attend I think they will add to the meeting and I am confident they may embrace many conservative principles. There are already some very good speakers on the schedule and their voices will raise the discourse.

    That does’t belittle the fact that there some things that aren’t negotiable.

  14. 10 cents

    GOProud should be open to all. Since we agree on 90% of the issues shouldn’t they allow SoCon into their meetings to help them be more tolerant. Why are they so anti-traditional marriage? :-) 

    Fake John Galt: CPAP should be open to all · 1 minute ago

  15. Fricosis Guy

    Beat me to it! At least it wasn’t a self-lubricating catheter reference…

    DrewInWisconsin

    Fake John Galt: CPAP should be open to all.

    The whole point of a CPAP is keeping those passages open! · 1 minute ago

  16. Douglas
    Fake John Galt: CPAP should be open to all · 19 minutes ago

    Why? Doesn’t that defeat the very idea of creating an organization with a specifically politically conservative purpose? There’s nothing conservative whatsoever about GOProud. You might as well accept any group as long as “Conservative” is slapped on the label. CPAC, featuring booths by Conservative Heroin Addicts of America, Conservatives for Marxist Economics, and the Conservative Wife-Swapping Society.

    Conservative has to mean something. It can’t simply be “not liberal”.

  17. Douglas

    BTW, Mr. Werner, if Ricochet history is any indication, and you were hoping for Main Feed bait, the one sure way to do it is to put some variation of “Gay” in the title. So, congrats on what will probably be a 500+ response post, with half of the responses coming from about 3 people.

  18. BrentB67
    Barkha Herman

    BrentB67

    Last I checked the GOP didn’t write the Bible and I don’t recall any of it being negotiable. 

    God isn’t running a mass marketing campaign based on the opinions of political parties or focus groups.

    If GOPProud wants to attend I think they will add to the meeting and I am confident they may embrace many conservative principles. There are already some very good speakers on the schedule and their voices will raise the discourse.

    That does’t belittle the fact that there some things that aren’t negotiable. · 9 hours ago

    So, you are saying, GOP is the Church?  Are non-Christians allowed? · 2 hours ago

    I have no issue with Hindus (h/t to James), non-Christians, or anyone else attending CPAC, open up the tent.

    My point is that claiming fear of God and resolutely supporting gay ‘marriage’ is hypocritical.

    There does come a point where the GOP bends on so many issues that it stands for nothing (I personally think they past that point years ago, but James will correct me shortly).

    If the GOP wants to throw the Bible overboard what few remaining supporters they have go with it.

  19. BrentB67
    You might as well accept any group as long as “Conservative” is slapped on the label. CPAC, featuring booths by Conservative Heroin Addicts of America, Conservatives for Marxist Economics, and the Conservative Wife-Swapping Society.

    · 2 minutes ago

    And  call it the 2013 Libertarian Convention in Las Vegas.

    There, that should get at least another 100 comments before dawn.

  20. Salamandyr
    My feelings on the subject of gay marriage are complicated to say the least.   Like publicans and sinners, I can feast with both sides.  But I have no time for Pharisees.  Disagree, fine.  Argue, great.  Express your opinion, try to sway the public sentiment, do all of the above, and I am with you.  Try to deny the other side even a seat at the table and I don’t care how much I may agree with your position, I will not join you. I respect liberty more than any political stance.  If there is a reason to bar GOProud from CPAC for a reason other than their political stance on gay marriage, I want to hear it.  If not, then GOProud needs to be welcomed with open arms, even if that drives other, less tolerant groups away.

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