Does Anyone Really Care Whether They Cut a Deal Today?

I know I should care because the issues are important. But, given that it’s impossible that any deal will even begin to solve our deficit/spending problems (though the tax rate nightmare is very real), I’m having a hard time rousing much interest today.

My attitude goes something like: Whatever. Something right now may be worse than nothing. When it can no longer go on, it won’t. Neither Obama nor Reid are seriously concerned about deficits (though they are concerned about maintaining their po…

  1. jetstream

    I say the Republicans should all vote present, let the Democrats do whatever, so they own 100% of the outcome …  any small changes the House GOP can negotiate will have almost no moderating impact on the economic train wreck that has already been scheduled for 2013.

    No matter how small and inconsequential the GOP’s final negotiated position,  the GOP will get 100% percent of the blame fot the macroeconomic asteroid that Obama has aimed point blank at our economy.

  2. raycon and lindacon

    How many political parties does it take to kick the can down the road?

  3. Innocent Smith
    flownover: I think the country should be treated like a remorseless alcoholic, let it hit bottom and then the recovery begins with fresh eyes on the hard realities . The family is broken, the kids resentful, the creditors stressed, and the liver permanently damaged . Sound familiar ? · 32 minutes ago

    Here’s the problem, Flown:  The government just goes and finds someone with a healthy liver and confiscates for a forced transplant.  Yes, at some point they run out of livers.  But not before they’ve taken yours and mine.

    As for resentful kids, etc… never underestimate the power of blame.  Watch to see who John Stewart blames tomorrow, and you will see who takes the fall in the eyes of our uninformed public – I’ll bet it starts with a capital R and belongs to the pachyderm family.

  4. Innocent Smith

    What’s the first step to recovery?  Acknowledging that you have a problem.  I’m afraid this country won’t do that until every last millionaire and billionaire is hanging from the gallows or has fled for his life.

  5. She
    raycon and lindacon: How many political parties does it take to kick the can down the road? · 5 minutes ago

    Exactly.  They kicked the can down the road to today.  They’ll kick some of it, or most of it, down the road to–the next crisis–now.

    I think we should send them all home for several months and see if anybody notices. 

    In the meantime, I think anyone who voted for kicking the can down the road to where we are today should be summarily dismissed.  

    And in the future, I think anyone who votes FOR something that they later want to vote AGAINST, or who wants to completely UNDO the outcome of his or her previous vote, because what he or she voted FOR in the first place is utterly untenable, ought to be required to resign.

    Please excuse the split infinitive.  I’m fed up.

  6. La Tapada

    Exactly! I told my husband the other day that I think they’re all just playing at government.

  7. Alan Weick
    jetstream: I say the Republicans should all vote present, let the Democrats do whatever, so they own 100% of the outcome …  any small changes the House GOP can negotiate will have almost no moderating impact on the economic train wreck that has already been scheduled for 2013.

    No matter how small and inconsequential the GOP’s final negotiated position,  the GOP will get 100% percent of the blame for the macroeconomic asteroid that Obama has aimed point blank at our economy. · 1 hour ago

    Exactly! The 47% takers along with the super-rich liberal elite have taken control.  Let them have what they want.  As others have pointed out, the political culture is nothing but that of a unrepentant alcoholic.  Why should the Republicans and the productive members of the polity be a part of the co-dependency?

    The tipping point has been reached.  In the only words of Karl Marx that were ever true, “History repeats itself first as tragedy and second as farce.” In the end we’ll all have to move to Texas (the only real potential Galt Gulch) and secede from the People’s Republic of America.

  8. Merina Smith

    The don’t care attitude has hit me too.  I’m taking the long view–I’ll start to pay attention when they start to solve the problem.  And sooner or later they are going to have to do that. 

  9. Lord Humungus

    Since you asked, I care. I care a lot. On a per$onal level, the deal, or the lack of one, or the uncertainty that goe$ with it, make$ a great big difference to me and mine. I can relax now, sort of.

  10. Crow

    This headline of this thread is about the NHL, right…?

  11. Edward Smith

    I sort of care.

    But I think, meh, que sera sera.

    It’s time to start the water so my brother and I can have a quick dinner of ravioli & sauce, then head to Mom’s with my home made zucchini bread (and maybe pick up some egg nog) so we can welcome in the New Year.

    Like a few people here, I won’t be watching the ball drop.

    Mind you, it is slightly less bitter cold tonight in NYC than last year, so the crowds at Times Square may be better off.  Which is a good way to start the New Year off.

    HNY everyone!

  12. Paul Dougherty

    Weeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Yeeeee Hah!

    Think of me as Slim Pickens, ridin it in.

  13. Sisyphus

    I care. If they cut a deal today it will be a disaster for the republic. Mitch McConnell has already gone public promoting a tax rise with no spending cuts. I do not understand why anyone with a grain of sense votes for these losers, they have no principles as they aid and abet the destruction of their nation. 

    If McConnell had made the announcement in a pink tutu and a Che t-shirt it could not have done more to undermine his party as a credible alternative.

    I have made a fairly nice career of saving these idiots from themselves in my own meager way. Time to move on.

  14. Sandy

    “Whatever.”   A word we do not want to live without in 2013.

  15. Free Radical

    It is time to stop blaming the politicians for doing what politicians do. These are their stripes. The only way to change this dumb way of running the country (into the ground) is congressional term limits. 10 years for the house and 12 years for senators. Listen, serve, and go home. Also maybe cap the number of attorneys that can be in congress at one time.

  16. Fricosis Guy

    The best word I’ve seen today is permanent, as in tax cuts.

    The worst word has been postpone, as in the spending cuts.

  17. Songwriter
    Free Radical: It is time to stop blaming the politicians for doing what politicians do. These are their stripes. The only way to change this dumb way of running the country (into the ground) is congressional term limits. 10 years for the house and 12 years for senators. Listen, serve, and go home. Also maybe cap the number of attorneys that can be in congress at one time. · 18 minutes ago

    Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.

  18. Punumba!
    Free Radical: It is time to stop blaming the politicians for doing what politicians do. These are their stripes. The only way to change this dumb way of running the country (into the ground) is congressional term limits. 10 years for the house and 12 years for senators. Listen, serve, and go home. Also maybe cap the number of attorneys that can be in congress at one time. · 22 minutes ago

    Really?  Then we can lose the Eric Cantors, Paul Ryans and Marco Rubios as well.  I think politics requires experience, term limits would just usher in different incompetent legislators while removing the good ones we have now.  So no, no, no, no!!

  19. Plato

    Remember that as of midnight some very high tax rates will have automatically kicked as the Bush era rates expire. When Congress votes tomorrow, they will be voting to lower taxes.

    If past New Year’s nights are any indication, DUI killers will murder several people tonight. Estates over $1 million would owe federal taxes of 55%. When Congress passes the cuts tomorrow, the exclusion goes back up to $5 million, with a rate much lower than what kicks in at midnight. 

    The income tax rate for households making under $450,000 will go back down to today’s rates. Understand that I do not favor raising the tax rates for those making over $450,000 — I hope to join them if my new mystery-thriller winds up on the best seller list.

    We just need to maintain perspective.  Yes, we’ve lost some favorable investment rates. Only another election or forced awakening changes that. But at least the marginal rates <$450K become permanent. Goodbye, phase-outs! Plus, Obama can no longer demonize much of the “rich” upper-middle class. 

    And Washington’s debate will turn to a conversation where we’ll have leverage: deficits and the debt ceiling.

  20. Xennady

    Wow.

    I thought conservatives were supposed to be an optimistic lot.

    No doubt this deal is the rough equivalent of re-arranging those proverbial deckchairs on the vessel that suffered that famous maritime disaster- but I’m happy to see a deal.

    1) The financial Rubicon was crossed a long time ago. The absolute latest this should have been dealt with was when Gingrich was speaker, and I recall he made an issue out of the looming doom. It fell on deaf ears, alas.

    2) I don’t agonize because people who tend to vote democrat are going to pay higher taxes. They continually bleat for higher taxes. I say give it to them. In spades. Perhaps eventually they’ll learn to stop voting for thieving socialists, at least as well as flatworms can learn to avoid crawling into fire.

    3) In any case the GOP has been a miserable failure at imposing a rational tax system on the country- one that doesn’t punish work and success- so why agonize at this latest failure?

    4) And maybe now the GOP can at least stop the political bleeding. They gave Obama a deal. When it doesn’t work, blame him.

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