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Did You Know The ACLU Was Founded By A Bunch Of Pervs?

Over at Reason, Debbie Nathan has a fascinating review of How Sex Became A Civil Liberty, a new history of the ACLU’s focus on sex by Leigh Ann Wheeler.

Any book that discusses both …

  1. De_Maistre

    The polls don’t really support the ACLU’s assertion that the public supports “unfettered sexual expression”:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/154799/americans-including-catholics-say-birth-control-morally.aspx

    31% of the public finds pornography morally acceptable and 7% finds having an affair morally acceptable.

    Plus, I’m sure that if we polled the American public on “swinging” or open relationships, we wouldn’t get a positive response.

  2. katievs

    I didn’t know, but it doesn’t surprise me.  

    It all boils down sex.  

    Sex ordered toward love and life (i.e., in marriage) is a force for unity and good in human society.  The very source and foundation of the civil society, bringing about cultural excellence and flourishing.  Sex (dis-)ordered toward self-gratification brings about dissolution and destruction.  It leads to misery.

    See Prof. Rahe’s recent post for more.

  3. MMPadre

    The Sexual Revolution –at the forefront of which was the ACLU– has left the field strewn with battlefield casualties.  Recently, after hearing yet another young woman’s sad, painful story I was moved to remark:  “There is NOTHING in the world that obliges you to be anyone’s doormat!”   But they labor under a burden of bad ideas and bad spirituality, that prepares them for failure and victimhood.  I just read that the US birthrate is clearly below replacement levels, as in Europe.  Quelle surprise.

  4. katievs

    And how about that infamous “Kinsey Report”, on which so much of the popular “understanding” of sex since the sixties is based?

    Essentially “The Kinsey Report” said that aberrant sexual behavior was so common as to be normal. Thanks to psychologist Dr. Judith Reisman, we now know that Alfred Kinsey was a homosexual and the “Kinsley Report” was a fraud.

    Kinsey, a University of Indiana zoologist, pretended to be a Conservative family man. In fact, he seduced his male students and forced his wife and associates to perform in homemade pornographic films. To prove that children have legitimate sexual needs. Kinsey and his fellow pedophiles either abused 2,000 infants and children and/or relied on data obtained in Nazi concentration camps. (Judith Reisman, Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences, 1998, p.312)

    Reisman concludes: “America’s growing libidinous pathologies…taught in schools…and reflected in our fine and popular arts, the press, law and public policy largely mirror the documented sexual psychopathologies of the Kinsey team itself.”

    More at EndtheLie.com - http://EndtheLie.com/books-and-reading-material/the-kinsey-report-and-the-destruction-of-the-family/#ixzz2E0Dfrc6a

  5. Ed G.
    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

    …..

    I can’t help but wonder how a liberty movement grounded in virtue would differ from one grounded in vice. · · 21 minutes ago

    Take a look at the conservative movement, especially the so-con wing, as an example of a liberty movement grounded in virtue. We’re broadly supportive of liberty; we recognize, though, that unfettered liberty is undesirable as it devolves into libertinism, serves as a poor base for a solid and prosperous and cohesive society/community, and is generally transitory if possible at all.

  6. katievs

    The left has always understood that the way to get the power it wants is to debauch the public.  A debauched people is a readily exploited and manipulated people.

    That’s why the family and the Church have ever been the main targets of the left.  Strong families and churches lead to strong, self-standing individuals, not amenable to tyranny.  

  7. Crow
    katievs: The left has always understood that the way to get the power it wants is to debauch the public.  A debauched people is a readily exploited and manipulated people.

    Yes, quite. This habitual practice, matched especially with the laser-like focus on the worst of all sins, hypocrisy, makes any notion of public morality practically untenable.

    As far as the ACLU, add me to the ranks of the unsurprised. Which is honestly a shame–in a system like ours where press and assembly freedoms play an important role, the ACLU might have been a classically liberal organization challenging both sides: instead it is a heady Marxist-Existentialist cesspool masquerading as a 1st amendment defender.

  8. Joe
    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

    Oh, I’m sorry. “Seduced.” That’s usually what we call adults having sex with pre-teens, right?

    It’s what we call female adults having sex with male pre-teens. We all know (and teach) that boys are sex-crazed maniac animals. Rape is mostly something those wicked men do, along with domestic violence, sexual assault, and indecent exposure.

    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

    I wish there were more civil libertarians who simply pushed for greater freedom on philosophical grounds, not because of their own deep-seated behavioral issues. I can’t help but wonder how a liberty movement grounded in virtue would differ from one grounded in vice.

    I know what you mean. Even when I agree with my friends on a civil libertarian end result (such as pot smoking), it’s for different reasons: they want it because pot smoking is enjoyable and not especially harmful (as opposed to saturated fats; ugh!), while I want it because people can do with their bodies as they feel.

  9. Pseudodionysius

    But remember: its social conservatives who are obsessed with sex.

  10. Foxman

    A more textbook example of ad hominem would be difficult to find.  It it pointless to reason with unreason, so I will not further comment.

  11. Mollie Hemingway
    C
    Foxman: A more textbook example of ad hominem would be difficult to find.  It it pointless to reason with unreason, so I will not further comment. · 10 minutes ago

    Oh come on.

  12. Foxman
    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

    Foxman: A more textbook example of ad hominem would be difficult to find.  It it pointless to reason with unreason, so I will not further comment. · 10 minutes ago

    Oh come on. · 10 minutes ago

    Did You Know the ACLU was Founded by a Bunch of Perverts? is not ad hominem

  13. De_Maistre

    In New York v. Ferber, the ACLU supported the position that the First Amendment protects the sale of child pornography. It doesn’t get more morally bankrupt than that.

  14. Becky53

    The ACLU’s ownership of sex mores is brilliant marketing on their part — afterall, anything salacious will get attention and $$ for their ’causes.’  They should use Madonna as their spokesperson!

  15. Guruforhire
    Foxman

    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

    Foxman: A more textbook example of ad hominem would be difficult to find.  It it pointless to reason with unreason, so I will not further comment. · 10 minutes ago

    Oh come on. · 10 minutes ago

    Did You Know the ACLU was Founded by a Bunch of Perverts? is not ad hominem · 11 minutes ago

    No.  Its a description.  The logical conclusion that their position is wrong because they are perverts is an ad hominem.

    Her arguement is more a “they are right for the wrong reasons.”

  16. Mollie Hemingway
    C
    Foxman

    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

    Foxman: A more textbook example of ad hominem would be difficult to find.  It it pointless to reason with unreason, so I will not further comment. · 10 minutes ago

    Oh come on. · 10 minutes ago

    Did You Know the ACLU was Founded by a Bunch of Perverts? is not ad hominem · 14 minutes ago

    But I thought you weren’t going to comment any more!

    In any case, if I had only read the headline and not the book, the review of the book or the post about the review of the book, I might have written your comment, too.

  17. jetstream

    Back in the late 1950′s and early 1960′s we didn’t need the ACLU’s help with sex, we learned about it the old fashioned way, in the back seat of a 1957 Chevy Convertible listening to Doo Wop, Roy Orbison and The Beachboys.

    Yeah, it was a black 1957 Chevy convertible, with a souped-up 270 and a 3-speed Hurst on the floor, the girls loved it, running and cruising on the wild side, on occasion we kept it under 90 mph.  It was a the best of all times to grow up and discover life.57-Chevy-Convertible.jpg 

  18. Foxman
    jetstream: Back in the late 1950′s and early 1960′s we didn’t need the ACLU’s help with sex, we learned about it the old fashioned way, in the back seat of a 1957 Chevy Convertible listening to Doo Wop, Roy Orbison and The Beachboys.

    Yeah, it was a black 1957 Chevy convertible, with a souped-up 270 and a 3-speed Hurst on the floor, the girls loved it, running and cruising on the wild side, on occasion we kept it under 90 mph.  It was a the best of all times to grow up and discover life.

      · 1 minute ago

    A 270?

  19. Pseudodionysius
    De_Maistre: In New York v. Ferber, the ACLU supported the position that the First Amendment protects the sale of child pornography. It doesn’t get more morally bankrupt than that. · 1 hour ago

    Free love means never having to say you’re sorry.

  20. Bereket Kelile

    This post brings this quote from Huxley to mind:

    “I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning, consequently assumed it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption . . The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics; he is also concerned to prove there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do . . For myself, as no doubt for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom.”

    I think that’s the difference between a liberty movement rooted in virtue and one rooted in vice.

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