“Austria is Not Made Up of Tolerance Romantics”

I’ll say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0

Look–some of his criticisms of Turkey are valid; I’ve made them myself, as you all know. But please tell me you find this speech, delivered in that Austrian accent, as disturbing as I find it.  That has a historic resonance no one can blithely ignore. 

  1. Franco

    I find myself in sympathy with the speaker. The content of the speech is what is important not the Austrian accented German. The man has a right to be outraged. We all do.

    The message is clear and it should resonate everywhere. Don’t  demand we tolerate your intolerance.

    And really, is tolerating intolerance really tolerance at all, or is it complicity?

  2. Sisyphus

    Sorry, Claire. I’ve been following the Muslim issue in Europe and I’ve been predicting these kinds of explosions for years. The soft-peddling of the issue in the press, some really ugly criminal cases, the no go zones, the direct threats and the veiled threats, and gosh, look, it’s a decapitated archbishop. 

    The fact that the explosion here is in German is a bonus. The perfect language for a chewing out. 

    As for the cultural reference, I can find stuff in English that is far worse and associate it with whomever. LBJ’s mushroom cloud ad comes immediately to mind as the classic case.

    My only question is, does he have his facts straight? How many priests have been murdered in Turkey since 2008? My Turkish relations are Christian, and left 40 years ago. Churches and synagogues can’t get a permit to do building repairs in Turkey, much less build new. And they are on a track for EU membership? How would this be a good idea?

    This Austrian MP is no more Hitler than the Ricochet crowd are slaveholders. 

  3. Kenneth

    Sorry, Claire, but the man is right.  And he’s right to be angry. 

    The fact that he’s being angry in German is irrelevant. 

    There should be more outrage like this – in Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Dutch, French.

    And English.

  4. Okan Altiparmak

    While I essentially agree with much of his criticism, he has a few of his facts wrong.

    First, a priest er year is not murdered in Turkey. This is not to deny the horrendousness of the actual murders, but to show that the murders are not as widespread as he suggests.

    Secondly, Austria did ask for Turkish workers starting about fourty years ago, and Austria should also think about what Austria did wrong for the situation to get out of hand.

    Third, the Islamist situation is much worse in Europe than it is in Turkey. Hence, the Europeans should seriously re-consider their approach to the matter as well. Instead, the EU has been doing exactly the opposite and trying their best to force Turkey into the same erroneous approach.

    More importantly, this is the type of response that Islamists love and prey upon. It is a great case of being right and shooting yourself in the foot (unless Austria will crack down on it).

    I am very much with the Europeans here, but their approach and policies need to get smarter. Islamism is no joke.

  5. flownover

    Political correctness kills.

  6. Paladin

     I fail to see where the speaker is out of line. Perhaps some of his facts are wrong – I’m in no position to confirm or deny them. However, his main thrust seems to be that there is a demand for tolerance of everything Muslim, and there is not even a tenth of the outrage felt when it is a Catholic who is the victim. That is wrong, and he’s not going to stand for it. I say good for him, and how is he wrong?

  7. Sister

    Interesting to watch this right after the new Klavan on the Culture video posted earlier by Diane Ellis.

  8. nordman

    I too  must  agree with the Austrian MP.  

    I too am sick of the hypocrites and double standards. 

    The outrage is long overdue. 

  9. Okan Altiparmak
    Robert McKay:  I fail to see where the speaker is out of line. Perhaps some of his facts are wrong – I’m in no position to confirm or deny them. However, his main thrust seems to be that there is a demand for tolerance of everything Muslim, and there is not even a tenth of the outrage felt when it is a Catholic who is the victim. That is wrong, and he’s not going to stand for it. I say good for him, and how is he wrong? · Dec 3 at 9:26am

    He is wrong not in his speech’s essence, but in the unintended opportunity he will end up providing the Islamists to deviously exploit the speech to rile up the uneducated Muslim masses he is talking about (meaning more support and even funding for Islamism).

  10. Midget Faded Rattlesnake

    I get the feeling this video is more about Austria than Turkey.

    My Dad has several old business friends in Germany, and if Austria is anything like Germany, it likely has not been as wise about assimilating its Turkish immigrants as it should have been for many years now.

    As Okan put it:

    Okan Altiparmak:

    Austria did ask for Turkish workers starting about fourty years ago, and Austria should also think about what Austria did wrong for the situation to get out of hand.

    and

     the Islamist situation is much worse in Europe than it is in Turkey.

    Though the speaker lashes out at Turkey, I believe the real target of his frustration is his own government’s failed policy — failures within Austria and the EU. The speaker acknowledges internal failures, and my hope is that outbursts like his may help shock other European politicians into reconsidering their failed policies.

  11. Kenneth

    This is the sort of outrage we should have heard from Republicans on the floor of Congress after the President of Mexico presumed, with a smirking President Obama in the background, to lecture us about our immigration policies. 

  12. Paladin
    Okan Altiparmak

    He is wrong not in his speech’s essence, but in the unintended opportunity he will end up providing the Islamists to deviously exploit the speech to rile up the uneducated Muslim masses he is talking about (meaning more support and even funding for Islamism). · Dec 3 at 9:35am

    So we all have to censor ourselves for fear that the barbarians will take offense? No, nay, NEVER!

    When a speech as non-offensive as that really was, or some poorly drawn cartoons, lead to the masses rioting, it is the masses who have a problem and need to change.

  13. Andrew Klavan
    C

    I have to say, Claire, I agree with most of the commenters here.  The historic resonance you mention is accidental and incidental–and can, in fact, be blithely ignored.  It would be a tragic joke if the horrible history of anti-semitism were used to defend the most anti-semitic movement of the age.  This MP is right and it’s not his fault he is, as our president would say, speaking Austrian.

  14. nordman
    Robert McKay

    So we all have to censor ourselves for fear that the barbarians will take offense? No, nay, NEVER!

    When a speech as non-offensive as that really was, or some poorly drawn cartoons, lead to the masses rioting, it is the masses who have a problem and need to change.

    I’m  with you on that,  Robert.

    Islamic encroachment  seems to rely heavily upon a  ‘winning through intimidation’  approach.  Self censorship is not the proper response to this tactic.  

  15. Lady Kurobara

    I love that video.  It is so refreshing to see real passion, for a change.  And in German!  What a rush.

    The main thrust of Herr Stadler’s speech is entirely correct.  Muslims everywhere are demanding special treatment at the expense of their host countries.  The cry in the street is practically a mantra:

    “You must never criticize Muslims in any way for any reason!  You must respect Islam as a religion of peace!  If you disagree, we’ll cut your —ing heads off!  And don’t even think about sending missionaries to our home countries.  We’ll cut their heads off as soon as they step off the plane.  Islam is a one-way street, and don’t you pigs forget it.”

    The Great Pushback, when it comes, will be violent in the extreme.  A lot of innocent people are going to be killed.  And, by “innocent people,” I mean moderate Muslims who lacked the will to oppose their radical brethren.

    Thank you for the bracing video, Claire.  It really perked me up.

    Oh.

    I see…

    That was not your intention.

    Never mind.

  16. Anthony Aristar

    Yes, there is a historical resonance here… the man has the same flare and the same rhetorical power that Hitler had.  He may even be wrong in a few of his details.  It doesn’t matter, I’m afraid… Nothing can change the fact that he is absolutely right in the thrust of his speech.  The civilization we so cherish is walking down a path to suicide, a path defined by platitudes and images of a mutual tolerance that can exist only in an idealist’s mind.

  17. Cas Balicki

    What he said!

  18. katievs
    So, while Christians are being massacred on a daily basis… – you’re worried about a violent backlash from aggrieved Europeans?

    Yes.  

    Worries about present evils don’t preclude worries about impending evils.

    I suppose a feminized modern West that believes violence is never the answer might shrink to think that appeasement is suicide.  

    In my sense of the term, violence (which always begets more violence) never is the answer, though military force may be.  I am not a pacifist. I despise appeasement.

    A person who kills another person in self-defense, or to protect someone else, is not committing violence. 

    There is a difference between standing up against injustice and inciting rage.  In philosophy it’s absolute.  In practice, it can be a fine line.

    Reagan was straight-forward, truth-speaking, resolute in the face of terrible threats. Impossible to imagine him speaking like this  man.  

  19. Claire Berlinski
    C

    I didn’t know who he was when I saw this. I looked him up, and wasn’t surprised to discover that he’s credibly associated with Holocaust denial. He is known for comments such as, “In 1945 Austria was “supposedly liberated from fascism and tyranny by the occupying powers.” He hangs out with Neturei Karta crackpots–the anti-Zionist rabbis who declare Israel an abomination.

    If you think this man is your friend in fighting for the values you hold dear, you are terribly, dangerously naive. He is a neo-Nazi. His close political associates deny there were gas chambers in the Third Reich.  He would be a real Nazi but for the fact that saying that would get him arrested. Austrian Jews are terrified of him.

    If you doubt that ideology has life left in it in Europe, you simply haven’t been paying attention. I’m a Jew who has been living in Turkey for five years. The stench coming off this man–even through the Internet–is as bad or worse as anything I’ve ever seen here.

  20. nordman
    katievs

    Reagan was straight-forward, truth-speaking, resolute in the face of terrible threats. Impossible to imagine him speaking like this  man. 

    I can’t  recall Reagan ever referring to the Soviet Union as  an ‘Empire of Peace’ .

    Reagan had a different style of making his point,  but the substance was the same:  No Concessions.

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