Asian is the New Republican

You remember the old fashioned saying, Brown is the new Black? In politics, I’ve heard variations of this: Gay is the new Black, and Hispanic is the new Black, and even Black is still the new Black.

(And some of us have even clung to the phrase 40 is the new 30, though a few years ago a friend of mine saw a young person walking by wearing a t-shirt that said 40 is not the new 30.  It took a lot of self-discipline, my friend told me, not to punch the …

  1. Valiuth

    Social Cons will never relent, and in the matter of internal party politics they are a strong force.  I am rather sympathetic to their causes and concerns, but they have only one game plan which is to always launch a frontal assault on the enemy positions. Very valiant, but not necessarily very effective.  Even if we defeat the Democrats politically it will do nothing to alter the state of abortion and gay marriage. These things if they are to be fought have to be fought gorilla style from the bottom up, rather than Light Brigade style from the top down. 

    I think every strategist will tell you that trying to hold your ground at all costs is not the way to fight defensively. You have to organize a strategic retreat to stronger positions and then wait for your opportunity to begin the push back. We have to give ground now if we ever hope to be able to retake anything later. 

  2. Rob Long
    C
    Valiuth: Social Cons will never relent, and in the matter of internal party politics they are a strong force.  I am rather sympathetic to their causes and concerns, but they have only one game plan which is to always launch a frontal assault on the enemy positions. Very valiant, but not necessarily very effective.  Even if we defeat the Democrats politically it will do nothing to alter the state of abortion and gay marriage. These things if they are to be fought have to be fought gorilla style from the bottom up, rather than Light Brigade style from the top down. 

    I think every strategist will tell you that trying to hold your ground at all costs is not the way to fight defensively. You have to organize a strategic retreat to stronger positions and then wait for your opportunity to begin the push back. We have to give ground now if we ever hope to be able to retake anything later.  · 1 minute ago

    Edited 0 minutes ago

    I agree 100%.

  3. Britanicus
    Otherwise, they’ll be saying Republican is the new Green Party — a focused, principled, minority party. · · 33 minutes ago

    I don’t think many people would consider the Republicans to be either focused or principled haha. Well said, Vailuth.

  4. AIG

    We like to use words such as “conservative” or “liberal” to describe positions which are far more complex than two dimensional space allows. That being said, Asian immigrants, or any other kind of immigrant, also doesn’t appreciate the “they come here to take our jobs” (or welfare, paradoxically usually both positions are proclaimed at the same time) mentality that is so prevalent among some conservatives. As long as that face of the “conservative” movement continues to be the public face, we will never win any immigrant group over.  

    PS: Asians are not the new Jews. Jews were mostly socialist before they came to the US. Other groups that come to the US typically become lest left than the home country. 

  5. Louie Mungaray (Squishy Blue RINO)

    Otherwise, they’ll be saying Republican is the new Green Party — a focused, principled, minority party“.

    Squish to Squish, you are dead on. California and New York are a lock. Texas is the only firewall and the demographics there are majority Hispanic by 2030. Not a plurality, were talking 51% of human beings.

    Texas flipped after LBJ and the Civil Rights Act, given her demographics and the virulent recalcitrance against re-branding I am picking up on, I see no reason why it could not flip again.

    Never mind no Bushes, no amnesty, or no dudes marrying dudes. No new Republican Presidents is the issue at hand.

  6. WI Con

    Aiken & Mourdock (I’d throw Santorum in as well) did a lot of damage to our brand this year.

    We handed the Dem’s the club to beat us over the head with. I too am very sympathetic to the SoCon’s issues but am willing to jettison that leg of the ‘stool’ first, before any others.

  7. Barkha Herman
    Britanicus

    Otherwise, they’ll be saying Republican is the new Green Party — a focused, principled, minority party. · · 33 minutes ago

    I don’t think many people would consider the Republicans to be either focused or principled haha. Well said, Vailuth. · 10 minutes ago

    Neither the green party (focused and principled).

  8. Britanicus
    WI Con: Aiken & Mourdock (I’d throw Santorum in as well) did a lot of damage to our brand this year.

    We handed the Dem’s the club to beat us over the head with. I too am very sympathetic to the SoCon’s issues but am willing to jettison that leg of the ‘stool’ first, before any others. · 2 minutes ago

    If we jettison that leg of the stool, then what are we? Certainly not conservative. Social issues matter, and they directly relate to economic issues. We can’t jettison them, but we must instead re-brand them.

    Maybe we need better spokesmen, but it’s going to take someone really special to convince the rest of the country that just because I believe in traditional marriage, it doesn’t mean that I hate gays. Or, if I am pro-life, that doesn’t mean that I want to bomb abortion clinics.

  9. Valiuth
    WI Con: Aiken & Mourdock (I’d throw Santorum in as well) did a lot of damage to our brand this year.

    We handed the Dem’s the club to beat us over the head with. I too am very sympathetic to the SoCon’s issues but am willing to jettison that leg of the ‘stool’ first, before any others. · 6 minutes ago

    You can’t have a two legged stool.

    SoCon’s need to be convinced to take a different tact. If they are thrown out they will form a third party and then that will be game over. SoCon’s need to focus on non-political evangelizing. I think it will serve them much better. What they need political cover for is to prevent things like government mandates that they spit on their bibles, and hand out contraception with communion.I think all legs can agree that is not good.

    It is also a strong position to defend. How can you demand that some one violate their conscience? If we can’t defend that ground then we are really screwed. 

  10. Louie Mungaray (Squishy Blue RINO)
    WI Con: Aiken & Mourdock (I’d throw Santorum in as well) did a lot of damage to our brand this year.

    We handed the Dem’s the club to beat us over the head with. I too am very sympathetic to the SoCon’s issues but am willing to jettison that leg of the ‘stool’ first, before any others. · 0 minutes ago

    While I agree that our recent “which rape guy?” problem is on the SoCons, as a recovering SoCon and an ardent “Just Win Baby” RINO I disagree about jettisoning them.

    Two reasons why- first you can’t win without them, period, full stop.

    Second, the fact that they are now routinely referred to as Social Conservatives and not the Moral Majority or the Religious Right indicates that they at least understand the imperatives and benefits of better branding.

    They just need to take it down a notch on rape, slavery, and vaccinations.

    Ditching the Iowa Caucus would help a ton.

  11. KC Mulville

    Gee, if only we had a Republican candidate who would say nothing about social issues, and instead focus entirely on the economy!

    I know. We’ll nominate … Mitt Romney!

  12. ConservativeWanderer
    Rob Long:

    But if he’s right, then maybe it reallyis a matter of better branding and marketing. Because we’ve lost 5 out of the past 6 elections in the popular vote, and we can’t really let any group slip entirely away. We don’t need to win Hispanics, or Asians, or Jews, or any ethnic minority. But we do need to win our fair share.  

    Otherwise, they’ll be saying Republican is the new Green Party — a focused, principled, minority party. · · 1 hour ago

    I think the best rebranding would be as the party of the entrepreneur and small businessman. There are a large number of people of Asian descent in those areas of business, and they can convince their extended families.

  13. KC Mulville

    You know what happens when you don’t explain your positions? You let your opponent explain them for you.

    The way to convince and persuade people is not to be quiet. It’s to be reasonable. Active, engaged, and reasonable.

    The reason Mourdock’s and Akin’s stupidities were portrayed to represent all pro-lifers is because (a) the democrats unashamedly demagogued it, and (b) there was no counter voice.  We can’t do anything about (a), but we could at least do something about (b).

  14. Joan of Ark La Tex
    Robert Barraud Taylor

    Joan, all of your points are fantastic; this one particularly resonates with the Korean-American experience, with which I have the most acquaintance. 

    Thank you. Robert, there is a window for us. And this is exciting because Clint Eastwood believed in it so much he wrote and produced the movie -Grand Torino. Asian families are beginning to realized that there is a high price to be paid with raising their kids away from American culture. It was a 2-edged sword. The 60s and free love movement really scared the heck of the Asian families. If only Republicans reach out to them then. They survived the onslaught of that degenerative culture by bending together and shielding themselves from the outside world. However, they find their children having a hard time adjusting in college and workforce etc.( Virginia Tech shooting, Hollywood’s caricature of corny Asians). There is a deliberate move in the Asian community to make fundamental changes. We are seeing more assimilation. This is a good time for Republicans to reach out. Mr Long, contact Mr Eastwood. He would help in this cause I believe. 

  15. Valiuth
    KC Mulville

    Valiuth

    But, who else did we have? Rick Santorum? He would have picked up Akin’s fumble and returned it for a safety.

    I think what enthusiasm Santorum had at all was only because he was willing to say something. If only we could have combined that willingness to speak honestly with a candidate who didn’t come off the same way.

    As it is, the last effective pro-life candidate was the last guy who had no shame about it – Reagan. Most of the candidates since Reagan have taken the “please don’t ask me about it” approach, as if they were embarrassed about it.

    Reagan didn’t put it in anyone’s face, but he didn’t shy away from it, either. I suspect, Valiuth, that you don’t want it shoved in anyone’s face, and I don’t want it shied away from. There’s nothing wrong with wanting both. · 27 minutes ago

    Amen!

  16. Barkha Herman

    I feel compelled to chime in since I am from the Asian sub-continent, even though I have been told in the past that I am not a real “Asian” – being from India.

    It seems that there is a fair share of Indian in the Republican party (Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley).  Normally that would be a big deal, but I think that Republicans just don’t do targeted advertising at all.  Unless their message is ubiquitous, they will not speak it.

    I work with a bunch of women from Latin America and they had no idea that the first female Latina governor was a Republican.

    No targeted advertising.  

  17. ConservativeWanderer
    Barkha Herman: I feel compelled to chime in since I am from the Asian sub-continent, even though I have been told in the past that I am not a real “Asian” – being from India.

    It seems that there is a fair share of Indian in the Republican party (Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley).  Normally that would be a big deal, but I think that Republicans just don’t do targeted advertising at all.  Unless their message is ubiquitous, they will not speak it.

    I work with a bunch of women from Latin America and they had no idea that the first female Latina governor was a Republican.

    No targeted advertising.   · 1 minute ago

    Along those lines, it might not be a bad idea to find whatever Asian GOP officials we can and promote them really heavily… have their faces on TV as often as possible.

  18. Valiuth

    With respect to Asians wanting to be Asian: 

    Here is what I think Republicans fail at with immigrants.

    In my opinion Americans are born everyday in far away lands, they are American not because of their ethnicity, language, or culture. They are Americans because believe they can earn for themselves and their children a better life by working hard. They are Americans because they believe that risks are worth taking, and that people have certain inalienable rights and that these rights must be respected and protected. 

    If you wish to be able to own you own business, pray to your God as your heart commands you, and live a good life free from persecution you are an American. If you are lucky you will find yourself in America one day, and realize this. My family did. 

    Republicans fail with immigrants because they want to define America by our language and ethnicity the way Japanese define Japan. This is a mistake. People can emigrate to America and become American precisely because we are not defined by ethnicity and language. 

  19. Plato

    Akin, Mourdock, and Santorum did indeed reinforce the Republican brand as “the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists.”  And don’t forget anti-contraception.

    Even Paul Ryan was portrayed as a religious fanatic. You’d think that advancing our top numbers nerd, the political equivalent of a baseball SABR geek, we would have redefined the party in fiscal terms. But the liberal media unearthed and amplified Ryan’s pro-life stance, much as they turned Akin and Mourdock into (willing) national exemplars of extremism.

    Whenever interviewers ask about abortion, creationism, contraception, or religion, they do it to trigger a Falwell-Robertson response. Our coalition’s moral crusaders viscerally need to engage on these divisive issues. Journalists know how to bait them.

    Short of dispelling our Puritan branding by nominating a former abortionist candidate — something many Democrats might see as a step up from an ex-investment banker — the Republicans can’t easily stop the media from branding us as religious obsessives.

    We need to nominate only highly disciplined candidates for national office. And these candidates need to shut up about politically controlling the intimate personal and medical decisions of others.

  20. Ed G.
    KC Mulville

    Valiuth

    But, who else did we have? Rick Santorum? He would have picked up Akin’s fumble and returned it for a safety.

    I think what enthusiasm Santorum had at all was only because he was willing to say something. If only we could have combined that willingness to speak honestly with a candidate who didn’t come off the same way.

    As it is, the last effective pro-life candidate was the last guy who had no shame about it – Reagan. Most of the candidates since Reagan have taken the “please don’t ask me about it” approach, as if they were embarrassed about it.

    Reagan didn’t put it in anyone’s face, but he didn’t shy away from it, either. I suspect, Valiuth, that you don’t want it shoved in anyone’s face, and I don’t want it shied away from. There’s nothing wrong with wanting both. · 1 hour ago

    KC, all throughout this thread it’s like you’re reading my mind and stating it more eloquently and calmly than I’d be capable of doing.

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