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Anything but trivial Ricochet Trivia

The Ricochet Podcast’s featured title this week is Why America Must Not Follow Europe by Member of British Parliament Daniel Hannan from Encounter Books. Why is this special?  Daniel Hannan and I are both Alumni of the California Academy of Tauromaquia, otherwise known as bullfightschool.com. Check out his latest article on the subject. He’s my hero. hannan.jpg

  1. Mike LaRoche

    I’m quite happy to see that bullfighting is still alive and prospering in Spain – and in southern France – despite the Catalan ban.  Last time I mentioned this a minor flame-war erupted, but what the hell: one of my most treasured memories was when on a trip to Madrid several years ago, I attended a bullfight during the Festival of San Isidro at the Plaza de Toros de Las Ventas.  Sitting in the stands and smoking a Montecristo, the atmosphere brought to life the stories of Ernest Hemingway and the exploits of such legendary matadors as Manuel Benítez Pérez (“El Cordobés”).

    It was one of those moments I’ll remember for the rest of my life, and I’m heartened to know that most Spaniards continue to revere and defend this unique aspect of their culture.  According to rumor, King Juan Carlos has said that if the European Union ever bans bullfighting, he will push for Spain to leave the European Union.

    ¡Viva la corrida de toros!

  2. Foxman

    Morally, I see no difference between bull fighting and dog fighting.

  3. MLH

    Does Tijuana still have a ring, out by the sea?

  4. Stan Hjerleid

     I agree with Foxman. They bring in a fresh bull and then torment him with guys on horses enclosed in some protective box.  When the bull is tiring and with picadillos sticking in him, finally enter the matador.  I say bring the matador out while the bull is fresh.

  5. Clem Comly

     Hannan is a British citizen who is a member of the European Parliament.  Per Wikipedia he is not a member of  British Parliament.

  6. Andrea Ryan

    <Double post.>

  7. Andrea Ryan

    I have no problem with bullfighting. &nbsp;It’s a large aspect of the culture in some parts of the world and I find it exciting to watch.

  8. Foxman

    &nbsp;Chicken fights and dog fights are a large part of some cultures around the world and some subcultures in the US.&nbsp; Torturing and killing animals for entertainment is heinous and we should reject it.

  9. Kenneth

    What a manly thing it must be to sit in the stands and watch an animal be tormented and murdered for your amusement.

  10. Mike LaRoche
    Andrea Ryan: I have no problem with bullfighting. &nbsp;It’s a large aspect of the culture in some parts of the world and I find it exciting to watch. · Mar 1 at 7:19am

    Exactly, Andrea.&nbsp; Bullfighting is an integral part of traditional Spanish culture and the world would be a poorer place without it.&nbsp; The bullfight is an artistic, almost sacred event.&nbsp; As Ernest Hemingway wrote in Death in the Afternoon, “Bullfighting is the only art in which the artist is in danger of death and in which the degree of brilliance in the performance is left to the fighter’s honor.”

  11. Andrea Ryan
    Kenneth: What a manly thing it must be to sit in the stands and watch an animal be tormented and murdered for your amusement. · Mar 1 at 10:43am

    Admit it, Kenneth. &nbsp;There’s nothing more wonderful than hanging out with Sarah Palin and watching a good bullfight.

  12. Kenneth
    Andrea Ryan

    &nbsp;Kenneth: What a manly thing it must be to sit in the stands and watch an animal be tormented and murdered for your amusement. · Mar 1 at 10:43am&nbsp;

    &nbsp;Admit it, Kenneth. &nbsp;There’s nothing more wonderful than hanging out with Sarah Palin and watching a good bullfight. · Mar 1 at 1:36p

    &nbsp;One wonders how the “aficionados” of the “sport” would feel about someone coming to their home and torturing their domestic pets with barbeque skewers before dispatching them with a meat cleaver.

    As for Palin, papering over the slaughter of a reindeer in order to bolster her Grizzly Mama creds for a viewing audience by claiming that she did it to fill her family’s freezer speaks for itself.&nbsp; My guess is that reindeer’s carcass didn’t provide the margin between starvation and bounty for the Palin family.

  13. Mike LaRoche
    Andrea Ryan

    Kenneth: What a manly thing it must be to sit in the stands and watch an animal be tormented and murdered for your amusement. · Mar 1 at 10:43am

    Admit it, Kenneth. &nbsp;There’s nothing more wonderful than hanging out with Sarah Palin and watching a good bullfight. · Mar 1 at 1:36pm

    You’ve read my mind, Andrea.&nbsp; Dionysius himself could not have conceived of a more pleasurable event.

  14. MLH

    Joe, Mike, Andrea,

    The Matador&nbsp;is a must see. You’ll appreciate the art, history and culture even more. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Matador/70110616?trkid=2361637#height2167

  15. Andrea Ryan
    Kenneth

    Andrea Ryan

    &nbsp;Kenneth: What a manly thing it must be to sit in the stands and watch an animal be tormented and murdered for your amusement. · Mar 1 at 10:43am&nbsp;

    Admit it, Kenneth. &nbsp;There’s nothing more wonderful than hanging out with Sarah Palin and watching a good bullfight. · Mar 1 at 1:36p
    &nbsp;One wonders how the “aficionados” of the “sport” would feel about someone coming to their home and torturing their domestic pets with barbeque skewers before dispatching them with a meat cleaver.

    As for Palin, papering over the slaughter of a reindeer in order to bolster her Grizzly Mama creds for a viewing audience by claiming that she did it to fill her family’s freezer speaks for itself.&nbsp; My guess is that reindeer’s carcass didn’t provide the margin between starvation and bounty for the Palin family. · Mar 1 at 1:49pm

    Edited on Mar 01 at 02:04 pm

    Lighten up, Francis. &nbsp;I was just kidding.

  16. Mike LaRoche
    MLH: Joe, Mike, Andrea,

    The Matador&nbsp;is a must see. You’ll appreciate the art, history and culture even more. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Matador/70110616?trkid=2361637#height2167 · Mar 1 at 2:18pm

    Thanks, MLH.&nbsp; I just added it to my Netflix queue.

  17. Andrea Ryan
    MLH: Joe, Mike, Andrea,

    The Matador&nbsp;is a must see. You’ll appreciate the art, history and culture even more. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Matador/70110616?trkid=2361637#height2167 · Mar 1 at 2:18pm

    I vaguely remember that movie when it was out. &nbsp;Thanks for the tip. &nbsp;I’ll go find it on Amazon.

  18. flownover
    Andrea Ryan: <Double post.> · Mar 1 at 7:18am

    Edited on Mar 01 at 07:33 am

    <I liked that and I’ll double that>

  19. Andrea Ryan
    flownover

    Andrea Ryan: <Flownover promised me a bullshot.>

    <I liked that and I’ll double that> · Mar 1 at 4:41pm

    Oh, good! &nbsp;I get two.

  20. Foxman

    It seems to me that we forget the Judeo part of our Judeo-Christian tradition when it suits us.&nbsp; Look at the rules for Kosher slaughter.&nbsp; It is obvious that they are based in part on minimizing the pain of the slaughtered animal.&nbsp; We were released from the restrictions on the type of food we eat but I do not think we should be released from the concept of minimizing the suffering of the animal.

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