A Powerful Argument For Acquiring Guns Illegally

Someone recently put me on a Twitter list titled “Jews.” Even though I’m not Jewish, people building lists of Jews just makes me nervous.

Lists in general make nervous. So I can’t imagine what the folks at the Journal-News (Gannett’s paper for the Lower Hudson area of New York) were thinking when they published a detailed map showing which people own which type of guns registered to which addresses in Westchester County.

My first thought was that this was a huge disservice to those res…

  1. Fred Cole
    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: 

    A Reasonreader brought it to that magazine’s attention with the note that the map “is why you should acquire all of your firearms illegally.” Sounds about right.

    Funny, I had the same thought.

    That map is a great disincentive to legally purchase a gun.

    Somebody on Reason made the point recently that the more obnoxious the gun law, the less incentive there is to comply with the law.

    And its true.  People are generally law abiding, but they’ll chuck that out the window if the law is odious and inconvenient.

    I’ll happily not speed, but I don’t follow the posted speed limit.  I go as fast as I can get away with and as fast as is safe and prudent for me to drive.  And on my own street, a street lined with houses full of children, that speed is about 5mph below the posted limit.

  2. DocJay

    Funny, I just re upped my lapsed membership and slapped a sticker on my truck.   Anythink to cover up the Romney sticker.

  3. Bryan G. Stephens

    I think there should be a law that requires non-gun owners to post a sign in their yard saying:

    This House has no guns.

    If they are so proud of it, they should advertise it, right? I mean, what is the problem with people knowing you don’t have guns?

  4. Jon in SC
    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.:  they published a detailed map showing which people own which type of guns registered to which addresses in Westchester County.

    I can think of no better argument against registration.

  5. Barkha Herman

    The Government, the bigger issue IMHO, already knows who owns guns and where they live.

    The newspaper is merely helping robbers target gun control advocates.

    This is why I am glad there is no registry for 3-D printers.  Looking forward to printing my guns :-D.

  6. The King Prawn
    DocJay: Funny, I just re upped my lapsed membership and slapped a sticker on my truck.   Anythink to cover up the Romney sticker. · 35 minutes ago

    So when they do outlaw guns how much resitance will the NRA put up against a court order to turn over their membership lists?

    This whole thing (Newtown and the aftermath) has me thinking, “to hell with the bills; my tax return is going all into weapons.”

  7. Fred Cole
    Barkha Herman: 

    This is why I am glad there is no registry for 3-D printers.  Looking forward to printing my guns :-D. · 15 minutes ago

    YET!

    Give it time.  Prohibitionists always lag behind the times.

    As soon as someone figures out that you can print guns/drugs/fois gras on them, some busybody will begin prohibiting them.

  8. The King Prawn

    And another thing (that gets under my skin): private sales of firearms without tracing paperwork are not illegal!

    From the ATF website:

    Q: What record-keeping procedures should be followed when two private individuals want to engage in a firearms transaction?

    When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping. A private person may sell a firearm to another private individual in his or her State of residence and, similarly, a private individual may buy a firearm from another private person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are “same-State” residents.

    A more proper title would be “A Powerful Argument for Acquiring Guns Privately.” Some states (read liberal bastions) require record keeping/reporting for private sales.

  9. Goldgeller

    The Twitter that Byron York posted, between Goldberg at the Atlantic and “Marc Tracy” was shocking. I mean, I guess I expected it. But– at least after JournoList– I wouldn’t expect people to say it it so casually. The starting presumption is that I’m simply better than you, your disagreement with me is proof that you are a bad person.  I think a signifcant portion of the problems we have with the MSM come from that. I really can’t get too upset with lefties and liberals who disagree with me because they’re read different books. It’s easy to get upset (but wrong to stay upset) when you argue with someone who is making a principled case for an opposing positon based on good faith argument and well meaning research into the field. 

    It’s infuriating when all of that is cover for what is basically an ego trip. 

  10. Goldgeller

    And I don’t have guns. But no, it isn’t a powerful argument for acquiring guns illegally. It’s a powerful argument for why you can get pulled over and end going to jail. 

    In any case, I actually don’t think guns are stolen so often. Would theives target gun owners more? My intuition says… maybe, but most likely not. Most thieves know who they are stealing from already, and most break in’s are smash and grabs. You get a few crazy ones, but TVs, Xboxes and Jewelry are still more valuable than guns, most likely because the later can be used or unloaded quickly.  I ‘m not saying this definitively, but through my work I have a good amount of anecdotal evidence. But again, this is just anecdote and intuition. 

  11. Carver

    This may be a tactic of downstream media orgs. The Commercial Appeal here in Memphis published such a list a year or so ago. I would be interested  to know if this is occurring all over.

  12. Nick Stuart
    Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: … It’s a free country. Reporters are free to hate the 2nd Amendment. But for the sake of the journalistic enterprise, they should admit they’re too irrational to cover this topic even remotely fairly. · · 1 hour ago

    Irrational or biased?

    Given the profound anti-gun bias widely evidenced in the media, coupled with the belief that people are basically good, they are operating quite rationally according to their own world-view.

    Isn’t it interesting it seems so many of the people who ardently maintain “you can’t legislate morality” when it comes to sex and drugs think that attempting to legislate morality via restricting and confiscating firearms is possible.

  13. Joseph Eagar

    Did anyone else have the sudden thought, “what happened to that supposed right to privacy that’s ‘implied’ in the Constitution”?  They got this information via FOIA requests; isn’t there a reasonable argument that granting such requests was unconstitutional?

  14. Fred Cole
    Joseph Eagar: Did anyone else have the sudden thought, “what happened to that supposed right to privacy that’s ‘implied’ in the Constitution”?  They got this information via FOIA requests; isn’t there a reasonable argument that granting such requests was unconstitutional? · 17 minutes ago

    The right to privacy doesn’t apply to government records, it applies to individual citizens.  So really the right to privacy is being violated in requiring guns to be registered.

  15. Barkha Herman
    Fred Cole

    The right to privacy doesn’t apply to government records, it applies to individual citizens.  So really the right to privacy is being violated in requiring guns to be registered. · 0 minutes ago

    Government registry is the bigger issue over a newspaper printing names…

  16. Joseph Eagar
    Fred Cole

    Joseph Eagar: Did anyone else have the sudden thought, “what happened to that supposed right to privacy that’s ‘implied’ in the Constitution”?  They got this information via FOIA requests; isn’t there a reasonable argument that granting such requests was unconstitutional? · 17 minutes ago

    The right to privacy doesn’t apply to government records, it applies to individual citizens.  So really the right to privacy is being violated in requiring guns to be registered. · 5 minutes ago

    The newspaper published the names of people licensed to owned guns, whether they owned them or not.  Licensing does make sense, to me, but it shouldn’t be abused this way.

  17. Fred Cole
    Joseph Eagar

    Fred Cole

    Joseph Eagar: Did anyone else have the sudden thought, “what happened to that supposed right to privacy that’s ‘implied’ in the Constitution”?  They got this information via FOIA requests; isn’t there a reasonable argument that granting such requests was unconstitutional? · 17 minutes ago

    The right to privacy doesn’t apply to government records, it applies to individual citizens.  So really the right to privacy is being violated in requiring guns to be registered. · 5 minutes ago

    The newspaper published the names of people licensed to owned guns, whether they owned them or not.  Licensing does make sense, to me, but it shouldn’t be abused this way. · 5 minutes ago

    I don’t disagree with you.  But then again I’m against licensing of just about anything.

  18. Spin

    I think your point has been THE point for quite some time.  I mean…why can’t the left apply the same logic to guns as they do to marijauna?  

  19. Spin

    From Fredly – “I don’t disagree with you.  But then again I’m against licensing of just about anything.”

    Sometimes I agree with Fred.  Sometimes… ;-)

  20. Fred Cole
    Ken Owsley: I think your point has been THE point for quite some time.  I mean…why can’t the left apply the same logic to guns as they do to marijuana?   · 7 minutes ago

    Why can’t people on the right apply the same logic to marijuana as they do to guns?

    Ken Owsley: From Fredly – “I don’t disagree with you.  But then again I’m against licensing of just about anything.”

    Sometimes I agree with Fred.  Sometimes… ;-) · 6 minutes ago

    I’m sure we agree more than we disagree, but I suspect I go much further than you re licensing.

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