Another puzzle piece: The Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (party affiliations: R-D-D) was adopted by the California Legislature in 1967, signed into law by Gov. Reagan that same year, and took initial effect in 1969 and full effect in 1972. At the same time, judges started resisting hospitalizing people for indefinite periods of time. Unruh was indeed Speaker.
Trace Urdan: I'm sorry -- I missed the announcement regarding the addition of Rikipedian to the staff. Or is this simply another persona. Can you please define the function of Rikipedian if not the identity?
And what happened to the interns? Have they completed their terms of service? Was there a send-off that I missed? I think we need a new podcast to deal with administrative matters. Perhaps a monthly staff podcast where they tell us what's going down and what's coming up... · Mar 9 at 8:08am
Rikipedia is a persona at this point, although the plan is to fill it with a dedicated person. The Logo is exclusively assigned in this manner to our publisher (on site, at least - on Facebook it's a shared persona), and Blue Yeti is exclusively assigned to our podcast producer.
I understand from Diane that our interns are taking final exams right now, so their rotations are coming to an end.
Rikipedian: So, to answer your question: collective bargaining can be as simple as having one person represent other workers to negotiate things like wages and working conditions. It is one of the primary functions of a union.
· Mar 8 at 9:48pm
Now if we could just separate collective bargaining from the Unions. I think of Unions, with a capital U, have become big businesses themselves, and it can be argued they are extortion rackets as well. Yet I can see a real need to for folks to have a mechanism, in both the public and private sectors, to be able to redress grievances with management. I'd have to say I'm for unions and against Unions, if that makes any kind of sense. · Mar 9 at 12:33am
That seems like an excellent, related question to consider. Sounds like a perfect combination of monopoly power, lavish staff salaries, and forced fealty by the actual workers.
TeeJaw: Setting up a “for” and “against” page makes it seem like we’re arguing over who likes chocolate and who prefers strawberry. If you frame the issue in more precise terms you wouldn’t divide it into “for" and “against." The issue is whether collective bargaining by government workers amounts to collusion between government workers and politicians to fleece taxpayers and force taxpayers to fund the Democrat party? If the answer to that is yes, and it damn sure is, then it’s a moral issue and there’s no legitimate argument to be made for it. · Mar 8 at 10:34pm
That would be one argument. But don't you think it would useful to support that with specifics on taxpayer overspending and public union contributions to Democrats? We've had more than a few good, sober Ricochet Members say they supported collective bargaining in the public sector, and it's far from clear that Walker is being supported by most Wisconsinites.
In other words, it's one thing to be right; it's another to be persuasive about it.
And if for and against doesn't work, we can come up with new pages.
We had a bit of an internal debate at Ricochet as to whether collective bargaining was a necessary and sufficient condition for, simply, a union. I argued that it was, but others felt that you could have a union, such as a guild, that doesn't actually engage in collective bargaining.
So, to answer your question: collective bargaining can be as simple as having one person represent other workers to negotiate things like wages and working conditions. It is one of the primary functions of a union.
In Wisconsin, Gov. Walker has proposed eliminating collective bargaining for benefits, not wages.
Process note: As long as the position remains a work in progress, this post will stay at the top of the page. It will get edited, however, as new arguments take shape.
Once we have a sense of the major arguments, we’ll split these off into separate discussions so they can be refined and, if necessary, substantiated.
Process note: As long as the position remains a work in progress, this post will stay at the top of the page. It will get edited, however, as new arguments take shape.
Once we have a sense of the major arguments, we’ll split these off into separate discussions so they can be refined and, if necessary, substantiated.
Re: Ricipedian
Yes, I know. I answered my own question.
I'd still be interested in Prof. Epstein's take on this whole fiasco.