Romney has made one thing clear: the Republican base does not favor limited government. Republicans who do want limited government are a large minority of the party. Romney's success has made clear that fact. And that's a good thing.
It's on these kinds of issues that I part company with neoconservatives. Neocons have come to terms with the administrative state. No, it's worse. Neocons think they can use all that unconstitutional power for good purposes. Naive. Perhaps stupid. Definitely dangerous.
Nyadnar17 is arguing for a general law, not a special one. Absent that law, Nyadnar17 will not have incentive to waste 3 years writing the code for his next product if someone else can then copy it. Ther are Millions of Nyadnar17s making products everyone wants.
Solyndra is a case of special laws to give money to a politically connected individual. making things nobody wants · 3 minutes ago
Solyndra got money under a general law to "promote innovations" in alternative energy. Same justification liberals always use, and it's perfectly analogous to justifications for IP laws.
And, it's OK if Nyadnar17 won't innovate. I'm not arguing for Nyadnar17's livelihood. Others will innovate. Free markets works like that.
Nyadnar17: Scarcity is a BS reason for patents and intellectual property protection. The whole point of patents, copyrights, intellectual property, etc is to create incentives for people to advance the world. The more difficult it is to profit from a new idea, i.e. intellectual property then the less incentive there is no create new ideas.
Without intellectual property rights how exactly am I suppose to make a living?
Without special laws, how were Solyndra employees supposed to make a living? How were the old Bell telephone monopolies supposed to make a living? How are the state insurance monopolies supposed to make a living?
Scarcity is the most important and fundamental economic concept. If anything is B.S., it's asking for special laws to provide you with a living.
Like liberals, you conflate intent and practice. The intent of intellectual property laws was to spur innovation. In practice, intellectual property laws stifle innovation.
There's a huge patent troll industry. Big companies use intellectual property litigation to shutdown small innovative companies.
And they're all saying the same thing you are: without special laws to protect me, how can I make a living?
Jeff Younger:... The neoconservative is wrong, and in some cases dangerously wrong, about how resilient societies develop.
Social order cannot be imposed rather it emerges. Every utopian program disrupts the naturally emergent, conservative social order. · 2 hours ago
Social Darwinism? Is this yet another belief that out of chaos, order emerges spontaneously? Wow! I guess mankind is sure lucky that all this comes about naturally.
Where? · 3 hours ago
Some aspects of human experience are made by human action and subject to our intentional design, such as cooking a meal. Some things are not made by human action and are not subject to our intentional designs, such as tornados. Another kind of human experience is created by human action but is still not intentionally designed, such as markets and social institutions.
katievs: Jeff, it seems to me you've completely misunderstood bereket's post. He's exactlynot calling for government programs. He's questioning the possibility of a recovery of our society without a return to religion. [...] Limited government depends on self-governance. Self-governance is a fruit of religious and moral commitments.
On the contrary, you've misread me. I'm not arguing against religious revival, but against the rhetoric of compulsion:
what will compel people to change?
We need not worry about that. In the absence of government coercion, most all societies become religious and conservative in temperament.
I think this is exactly the wrong way to approach the problem. Positive (and perhaps positivist) policy prescriptions can't create a social utopia. We conservatives don't seek progressive ends, and we shouldn't use progressive methods. There is no positive government policy that can create a moral order.
Both neoconservatives and progressives believe that positive policies can mold society into some desired order. This belief is false.
Instead of positive policies we need negative ones. Our social decadence originates in coercive government policies. These policies create perverse incentives and corrupt the naturally emergent, naturally conservative social order.
In the absence of government coercion, most all societies in most all times develop thriving, family-based, and yes religious communities.
The neoconservative is wrong, and in some cases dangerously wrong, about how resilient societies develop.
Social order cannot be imposed rather it emerges. Every utopian program disrupts the naturally emergent, conservative social order.
Bryan G. Stephens: Libertarians seem too caught up in legalism, and the letter of the law, that they do not see the greater contracts between people. All of life is not the contract between citizens and their government. There are other social contracts between each other.
I think otherwise. Libertarians rightly reject duties without rights.
A man has duties to his family, fine. What rights does he have over his family? Under the modern state, with modern family law, he has none.
A man has duties to defend the state. What rights does he have over the state? It appears he has none. The state now has unlimited power, with regulations that are not even voted upon by Representatives.
In this post-constitutional society, citizens have duties and government has rights. This is unjust, undesirable, an unstable.
Leporello Oh, well, glad to hear it. Do you consider yourself, then, an old-time "Federalist" like Madison, or more of an "Anti-Federalist" like Mason? Would you rather have a Swiss-like confederacy of cantons, or a pre-Wilson/TR American government?
I'm more Jeffersonian. A pre-Wilson/TR government appeals strongly to me.
Leporello Sincere questions: Have you read anything by Leo Strauss? If so, was it more than a few essays? And are you aware that a large number of students and admirers of Leo Strauss are skeptical of or simply opposed to neoconservative foreign policy? · 1 minute ago
When I wrote "Neoconservatives and Straussians" I didn't mean to imply identity but distinction.
They both distrust the development of society free of government control, even as they disagree on other matters, particualrly on the aims of government.
Paul A. Rahe You have plenty of such duties. One is to help defend your country. Another is to come to the aid of the police in matters of crime. A third is to rear your children to be lawabiding and responsible citizens. I could go on. Freedom is inseparable from obligation.
Those are statutory duties. One could fulfill all those duties and still be a poor citizen. In fact, your list is a subset of the Italian Fascist list of duties of citizens. It sheds no light on what a good citizen might be.
It might be useful to describe how your duties differ from the duties of men under fascism, socialism, and a free republic.
The market for drugs does not abate with legal restriction. Where drugs have been decriminalized, there is no increase in drug use or crime or anything else. Usually, there is a marked decrease in anti-social activity because black market effects are greatly reduced.
Prohibition does not work.
Rahe's argument from citizenship is a poor one. It is not for the government or even Rahe to decide what is required to be a good citizen, but the people themselves.
I don't do business with drug addicts. I don't hire them. I don't even talk to them. I don't deal with scoundrels who leave their families or blackguards who beat people. Most everyone else I know does likewise. These are the sanctions that matter.
At a fundamental level, social conservatives have more to learn from libertarians. Rahe and company conflate statute and law. That is an error.
Re: What Kind of American Accent do You Have?
An odd blend of Texan and English East Anglian.