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Libertarian, Jill-of-All-Trades, Capitalist, Bibliophile, Skeptic, and Science advocate.  

I grew up in a Goldwater Republican household.  My parents still have bumper-stickers and pins that say, "Goldwater in '64 or Big Brother in 20 More" and "AuH2o".   My first presidential vote went to Ronald Reagan, and I stayed faithful to the GOP, until the mid 1980's.    (Converting my then boyfriend into a conservative Republican!)   Around the time my sons were born, I began to split my ticket, still mostly GOP, but some Libertarian.   As the GOP increasingly became steeped in statism and fiscally irresponsible, I finally made the leap to full-fledged Libertarian.  

Came to Ricochet looking for like-minded people.  Thought the GOP and conservatives could use some help turning back the tide.  But, I've discovered that conservatives don't want that help.  Thus, this is not the "right" place for me.

So long, and thanks for all the fish....


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Elizabeth Van Horn

Chad E. Brown: Someone could point out that the candidate for whom you voted also lost, and was therefore a loser. However, I'm not convinced the candidate for whom you voted lost. Sadly, the biggest loser was the country.

Elizabeth Van Horn

Yes,  with Romney, I stand by the "loser" label, because  that's what Romney did, he lost.

Uh..huh?  I did a write-in for a person with which you've probably no knowledge.  Yes, that person also lost.  (election -wise)  But, I chose them because I thought they were the best candidate. 

But, as I stated, I'm increasingly thinking the whole GOP is a losing cause.  The amount of energy and time people are spending to grill, question, and reject those like myself, who have come to Ricochet looking to help turn the tide, is enlightening.  But, not in a good way. 

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James Of England

It's helpful to know how the mainstream views us.

"Us"?   Hmm, aren't you a UK citizen? 

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James Of England

If you want to be secretive about who you voted, for, fine, but if that's the case you should stop using your vote as an argument.

Hmm, no, because my vote has been , and currently is, lost to the GOP at the national level.  (not state, as we've lucky in my state and have had good candidates)   So, my vote is an argument, as are all the votes the GOP has lost for decades.  They add up.  That's where we are now.  At a crucial point, and unless the party decision makers grasp this fact, it's going to only get worse.

It's not important that one knows where my vote went, as I'm clearly stating in posts, comments, and on my profile, my position.  If the GOP decision makers choose to stay their course, then so be it.  But, I'm here on Ricochet to try to turn that ship around, and maybe it is futile.  I'm increasingly thinking that is the case.

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Douglas

Like Meg Whitman? ....      And she lost.

How come every time we point out that someone like Romney or Whitman was moderate and lost, the reply is "Oh, they were losers". Really? These people that are very successful? Which non-religious (since that seems to be one of your litmus tests) socially liberal/moderate, fiscally conservative candidate do you suggest that isn't "a loser"? Just so we can run him and put this whole thing to rest?

Because here's what's going to happen: he's probably going to lose anyway.  I just want to hear what the excuse will be THIS time.

Meg Whitman lost to Jerry Brown, in CA.  Not sure how that can be compared to fielding a viable candidate for President of the U.S.   I mean seriously, do we compare CA to the rest of the nation...?!   ; )

A candidate doesn't have to be "non-religious", but just not a holy-warrior-type. 

Yes,  with Romney, I stand by the "loser" label, because  that's what Romney did, he lost.

But, who knows, maybe the GOP will follow your tips and strategy, and we can see how it plays out.

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Douglas

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http://www.npr.org/2011/08/05/138995325/rick-perrys-religious-revival-sparks-a-holy-war

and this:  http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/perry-christian-warriors-spiritual-warfare-satan-separation-church-state

Oh, and one more thing: "Right Wing Watch"? Really, Elizabeth? ยท 1 minute ago

Yes, Douglas, that site is anti-conservative, but they are also an information source for people who vote. 

So, it's crucial that the GOP does not put it's head into the sand, and only see their own spin.  They have to also see the spin that the left puts on them, and realize that is how they are seen by much of the nation, and the voters. 

A good political strategy for the GOP would be to not only stay firm on critical issues like economics, budgeting, and debt, but to tweak their image to mitigate damage from the people within the party who who look like extremists.  

GOP strategist have to learn to step outside of the protective bubble that is the GOP, and look at their image through the eyes of the outsider.  Because, there's just not enough votes within the bubble, to carry the day.
  

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James Of England

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Plus, both McCain and Romney looked like conservatives to those on the left.  To the rest of us, they looked like weak, flip-flopping, faux-conservatives.Who wants to vote for that?  I know I didn't, and neither got my vote. 

Do I recall wrongly in believing that you suggested that you considered this information private and something you would never divulge?

Just at a guess, was the candidate you voted for a weak (weaker than Bachmann by almost every poll) partyswitching, flip flopping, faux conservative?

I haven't divulged who I voted for in the last presidential election.  You're fishing in the wrong waters, detective James.   You do realize that one can vote for candidates of their choosing, correct?   A vote for president doesn't have to be one of the candidates on the ballot.

http://www.youcanwritein.com/how-write-in-vote.php

If I were interesting in helping the GOP, instead of grilling long-time registered Repulicans on how they voted in the last election, I'd be trying to find out why they didn't vote GOP.  One way to do that, is to listen to their message.

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Mike LaRoche

Texas- with its balanced budget and prosperous economy - is the problem with the GOP?  Now I've heard everything.

Mike, fielding a good candidate for a national election is more than just these components.  That's point I was trying to make.  When Rick Perry makes the news in this way:

http://www.npr.org/2011/08/05/138995325/rick-perrys-religious-revival-sparks-a-holy-war

and this:  http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/perry-christian-warriors-spiritual-warfare-satan-separation-church-state

You've got a losing strategy for the GOP.  It's fine if Texas is happy with Perry.   That's not the issue. The issue is the GOP needs to be able to field a viable candidate at the national level, for the office of President of the United States.   Key word is viable.

Elizabeth Van Horn

I'm a member of some other online forums, and this topic is being discussed in another forum where I post.  Here's the article link that I read on another forum.  I seems the parents are a heterosexual married couple, and the child is a triplet.  The father is an ex-marine. 

http://news.yahoo.com/colo-transgender-girl-cant-school-bathroom-214244912.html

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MJBubba:

I strongly disagree.  John McCain and Mitt Romney being the proof that the GOP chose to lead with non-conservatives and came up short twice.  President W was not a conservative; he was an Establishment Republican.  So were Bob Dole and H.W. Bush. 

Conservativism is like what Chesterton said about Christianity.  The problem is not that conservativism was tried and found wanting.  It is that conservativism was found difficult and so was never tried.

John McCain and Mitt Romney were losers.  The strategy for winning isn't just the political message, it's also the candidate.  Neither man looked solid, but looked like a flip-floppers. 

They were weak candidates.   You run a weak candidates, and you're going to lose.  Plus, both McCain and Romney looked like conservatives to those on the left.  To the rest of us, they looked like weak, flip-flopping, faux-conservatives.  Who wants to vote for that?  I know I didn't, and neither got my vote. 

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BrentB67

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I'm in Indiana. 

Because Texas is such an abject failure of limited government? The leading conservative in Congress right now is a Senator in his first elected office from our little old backward state.

Perhaps we can get some more success like John McCain to lead us into the great moderation of big government soft tyranny

You may have all your federal 'success'. I will take Texas.

No problem, you can have Texas.  Meanwhile, Indiana is now going into it's ninth year of GOP statewide leadership (with a history of GOP governance).  We have "right-to-work" laws, Charter schools, statewide online education for K-12.  Giving autonomy to the people.  Indiana leadership supports smaller government, and more liberal social polices.
Plus, our current governor who probably has his eye on the large national political scene.  If done right,  GOP can have both state and federal political wins. 

But, it won't happen with a GOP that wants to infuse religion into public policy.  That ship has sailed.  Texas hasn't learned this yet.

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raycon and lindacon:

Chances are that we need a look into who mom and dad are, presuming that they aren't gay themselves, perhaps a lesbian couple?  We only can be certain that this insanity flows from the same fountain of confusion and evil that is polluting America toward it's demise.

My first thoughts are that the parents are a heterosexual couple who have very liberal ideas along the lines of "gender".  Not that the parents themselves are gay or lesbian.  The gay and lesbian parents that I've come to know, don't raise their children any different than the rest of society.  

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James Lileks: When I was in elementary school I loved a book called "Follow My Leader," about a boy who was blinded by a fireworks accident and got a guide dog. He was sent to Blind School, of course. (The book was written in the 50s, I think.)

I had that book, and still do!  Mine was order through the scholastic book program.  Excellent story, and shows how Jimmy gains confidence after going blind. He even has run-ins with a bully kid, and ultimately he overcomes that situation.  (the kid who accidentally blinded him with the fireworks, later taunts the seeing eye-dog into attacking, which becomes a pivotal part of the story)

Jimmy learns to overcome a difficult disability, and accepts himself for being different. He adapts. Which is a big part of the message .

It doesn't sound like the lesson the parent's of that six year old boy are teaching their son, is that life isn't fair, and he must learn to adapt and overcome.  Instead they are teaching him, life isn't fair, but work to make others bend to your will, so you don't have to adapt.

Elizabeth Van Horn

My older brother had his paper route for about two years, and when he kept expanding his route, was finally told the territory was too big.  (bicycle delivery) He bought his first 10-speed bike with the money he made.

But, that didn't stop him.  He enlisted me, I signed up for a route adjacent to his, and together we had a mega-paper route.   We were good, and won contests for sales.   Won trips, prizes, and of course, made money.   I used to love the early morning rides, all quiet before people were up and about.  Sometimes it would be so quiet that early in the morning, that we'd hear the hot air swoosh, from hot air balloons passing overhead.   Our Sunday papers were so big, that we had to load them into a pull cart, and walk the route.

My brother had his paper routes for a total of 4 years, and I had mine for 3 years. 

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Simon Templar

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Simon Templar: Theconservative movement'sproblem is neither a lack of inclusiveness nor an unwillingness to listen to and consider various perspectives.  The problem is in leadership's support of the flavor of the month vice advocating, articulating, and supporting fundamental principles without apology. We own the winning philosophy. Let's defend it and implement it, and see how that works to build our movement.

I'm pretty sure the winning philosophy would be one that...you know...wins.   *looks around*   Nope.  Not seeing it. 

Recommend compare and contrast California with Texas.

I'm in Indiana.   I know what winning red states look like, and they don't have to be CPAC ideology.   My state had, and still has, an entrenched UAW/union mentality, yet still managed to be a reliable red state most of my life.  Reason is that the GOP here is more moderate.  What's going on in Texas for the past 15 or more years, is the kind of conservatism that is dooming the GOP at the federal level.  I'm assuming that the GOP still wants to win at federal level?  On their current trajectory, it's not going to happen.

Elizabeth Van Horn

Congratulations Fred!   

I don't recall the words from my marriage vows, (we're supposed to remember this stuff?!) but pretty sure the word obey was not in there.

Elizabeth Van Horn
Simon Templar: The conservative movement's problem is neither a lack of inclusiveness nor an unwillingness to listen to and consider various perspectives.  The problem is in leadership's support of the flavor of the month vice advocating, articulating, and supporting fundamental principles without apology.  We own the winning philosophy.  Let's defend it and implement it, and see how that works to build our movement.

I'm pretty sure the winning philosophy would be one that...you know...wins.   *looks around*   Nope.  Not seeing it.

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