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Here's a link to the warrant application.

Here is a link to the article in question.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the government has a legitimate case.

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Frank Soto

Care to be more specific?  Your post just says "On matters of the economy", which gave me a hearty chuckle as I began recalling Krugman's call for a fake world war with space aliens to solve our economic woes. · 17 hours ago

Would he be wrong about that?  He seems to take heat for the fact that he's talking about getting ready for alien invasions, and not for the idea that government spending will solve our woes.  

The two that come to mind was the inflation fears that Joseph was talking about and the bond vigilantism from a couple years back (presumably the ones that Marco Rubio alludes to whenever he talks about our creditors putting the clamps on our spending).  There is/was no runaway inflation, and there are/were no bond vigilantes.  

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BrentB67

CoveredUp: Sabrdance, what's to stop Congress from issuing lower and lower rate bonds, as they have been doing?

Better yet, what to stop them from issuing zero rate debt that never matures?  Sell that for $100 to banks on the Fed's promise to buy them for $100.25?  If no commercial bank would take such a sweet deal, then might Congress establish a bank that would? · 8 hours ago

Congress has no role in setting interest rates or bond issuance. · 10 hours ago

Touche.

s/Congress/government

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Sabrdance, what's to stop Congress from issuing lower and lower rate bonds, as they have been doing?

Better yet, what to stop them from issuing zero rate debt that never matures?  Sell that for $100 to banks on the Fed's promise to buy them for $100.25?  If no commercial bank would take such a sweet deal, then might Congress establish a bank that would?

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Frank Soto

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I'll go ahead and present the simplest answer.  We don't know what we're talking about.

Hate to say it, but on matters of the economy, Ricochet's economic arch-nemesis, Paul Krugman, has been more right than he has been wrong.  He'd been calling inflation hawks wackos for the past few years now. · 15 hours ago

There are numerous articles around chronicling the non stop train of false Krugman predictions.  He himself admitted his track record was poor. · 5 hours ago

Maybe.  But not on this one.

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We read it in high school.  I thought it was a good read.  I recommend it generally.  I would recommend it specifically if you needed an American play.

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Joseph Stanko: From the WSJ:

At some point, don't the folks on our side screaming "hyperinflation" start to resemble the climate scientists who insist their models predict warming despite over a decade of stable temperatures and some of the coldest winters on record?  

I'll go ahead and present the simplest answer.  We don't know what we're talking about.

Hate to say it, but on matters of the economy, Ricochet's economic arch-nemesis, Paul Krugman, has been more right than he has been wrong.  He'd been calling inflation hawks wackos for the past few years now.

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Larry Koler: 

If Beckmann is right and Einstein's theories "proofs" can be derived from a competing paradigm -- what we call Newtonian, classical (or Galilean) -- with much easier to understand, to teach and to calculate techniques, then this should give you pause at least. What does Relativity give us? Not the math, the explanation. There are many ways of calculating things. · 5 minutes ago

I'll step out of meta-trolling for a little bit to speak to this.  Parts of Relativity are derived from simple 'Galilean' kinematics.  In fact, if one (I presume that Larry is not interested) is focused on time dilation, which seems to be the focus of this conversation, the derivation of how a person on the ground will observe a person in a light speed spaceship (and vice versa) is very simple.  The same can be said of length contraction.  The only thing that you need to accept is that the speed of light is invariant with respect to reference frames of different speeds.  It's actually pretty cool.  

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Larry Koler

I told you what time is not -- True.

But this sentence: "My definition of time is EXACTLY as it has always been until Einstein and his ilk started confusing us." is sufficient to define time. Why obfuscate this? That's a clear statement -- I left it to you guys to look this up.  · 0 minutes ago

Greatest Ricochet Troll, ever.

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Can you answer my question about what kind of device we can use to measure time correctly?  

Why are you asking questions that you already know the answer to?  You're trying to talk to a person who doesn't understand the relationship between math and the physical world, or the relationship between hypothesis, experiments, prediction and observation.  And you expect him to argue intelligently against special relativity?

To me, his issue is not any definition of time, or else he would have found one by now.  His problem is that the conclusions of modern physics bother him at an emotional level caused by the cognitive dissonance that we all went through when we first learned about it.  The only difference between him and us is that we got over it.  He never did, and it would seem that nothing on this message board is going to change that.

It's also why this is such an awesome thread.  Watching a guy attack extensively validated ideas from a position of profound ignorance soaked in sophomoric scholarship and sprinkled with disdain for the people his is arguing with is more fun than it should be.  For that, I apologize.

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Charles Allen: Hey, if the man who called Cruz a 'whacko bird' (and also happened to be born outside of the United States) can run for President without question..... · 24 minutes ago

Edited 23 minutes ago

Coco Solo was a US naval base, and would be considered US soil.  McCain's natural born-ness would not have been in question.

Edit:  Check that.  Coco Solo was not considered US soil until 1937, when this was passed, retroactively granting McCain natural born citizen status.  McCain was born in 1936.  

Kinda takes the meaning out of the words, doesn't it?  But I suppose, as the term is undefined by the Constitution, that is is Congress's job to determine who is and is not a natural born citizen.  They did vote in favor of McCain in 2008 on this issue in a nonbinding resolution.

Edited on May 4, 2013 at 3:56pm
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Where was this legalizing when Obama was under attack by crazy right wingers?  Now we're going to loosen up when it might help someone who's been on the scene for 5 minutes and knows to sprinkle words we like in his speeches?  I can only imagine the circus if he throws his hat in the ring.

Are we that anxious to commit collective political suicide?  This Cruz For President campaign is complete and utter madness.

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Larry Koler: Just the original one used by Einstein. · 9 hours ago

I was really excited when I saw this entry.  I thought he was going to post random incomplete sentences the rest of the thread.  That would have been amazing.

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What was that apropos of?

Edit:  Oh never mind.

Edited on May 2, 2013 at 5:19am
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Mark Wilson

Larry Koler: Einstein has invented another quantity that is related to time but, of course, it's not really time. Same with space contraction. Silly stuff.

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Time has always been an independent variable in all the world's languages -- until Einstein started getting it confused with his new "time" notion. ... I don't believe in the universe that has time flexible in the way that you do.

What is this, a statement of faith?  I'm not detecting a basis of argumentation in your posts, Larry.  You're combining an argumentum ad lapidem with an argumentum ad antiquitatem without providing any evidence for your position. · 1 minute ago

He is begging the question.  Quite brilliantly I might add.  This thread is genius.

Also, props to Tim for his patience.

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Larry Koler: No such thing as time dilation if you use standard meanings of words. Einstein has invented another quantity that is related to time but, of course, it's not really time. Same with space contraction. Silly stuff. One day the world scientists will look back on this era of blind faith in "science" and laugh. Einstein was a great genius but what he is most known for in the popular science world is relativity and it's really too bad that he over-reached himself. · 8 hours ago

Ah.   Sweet, sweet flamebait.  Beautiful.  Just beautiful.

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