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I'm a computer graphics artist and programmer. I consider myself a social entrepreneur; I work in open source, and I hope to one day do something the no economist has done: actually experiment with different free market models, using the internet and various quasi-monetary systems.

Our understanding of free markets has backslid in the past century; the more advanced systems used in the past tended to produce collateral damage politicians hated. I want to experiment with different ideas to solve these problems. There is no central planning in my ideas, just different ways of structuring financial systems and currencies.


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Joseph Eagar
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Joseph Eagar

I've not flown outside the U.S. for a year, but I remember one time having to do both the scanner and the pat-down.  Anyway, I prefer the scanner; that they use the same gender for the pat-down is not helpful if you are bisexual, it just means you don't want either gender touching you there.

Very creepy.

Joseph Eagar

Paul DeRocco

 The idea that they would generally represent a moderating influence sounds like wishful thinking to me.

And in case you've not noticed, neither fad nor fashion tend to be very conservative. · 14 hours ago

Oh?  Turn out the base strategies are extremely common, and extremely damaging.  Bush in 2004 and Obama in 2012 come to mind.  Remember Trayvon Martin?  That was all about stimulating turnout.  If politicians didn't have to worry about turnout, they could actually persuade the other side.

Joseph Eagar

Midget Faded Rattlesnake

Joseph Eagar

The American fear of democracy is why the judicial and executive branches have near-dictatorial power.  We should get over it.

Joseph,

We have a collective fear of democracy?

And  it's the reason why the judicial and executive branches have "near dictatorial" power?

I honestly don't understand the · 19 hours ago

  1. collective fear we supposedly have
  2. the reason this fear gives the judicial and executive branches way too much power
  3. that the power of those two branches is near-dictatorial (as opposed to simply being larger than it should be)

Now you're simply being obtuse.  Didn't you read up on Woodrow Wilson back when Glenn Beck was making a big deal out of him?  The modern administrative state, with it's delegation of legislative power to executive branch agencies, arose precisely because people distrusted democracy.  Our entire system of checks and balances came from a distrust of democracy. 

It's simply absurd to state that Americans don't have a fear of democracy.

Joseph Eagar

Severely Ltd.

Joseph Eagar

Paul DeRocco: Forcing people to vote is like tethering our political future to a large sail, deployed into the winds of fad and fashion. People who feel they have a role in shaping political fashion naturally like this idea. · 2 hours ago

Oh come on.  People who vote today are hardly well-informed motivated statesmen.  The American fear of democracy is why the judicial and executive branches have near-dictatorial power.  We should get over it. · 2 hours ago

Joseph, if there's any group of people less informed about politics than voters, I'd say it's the non-voters. · 23 minutes ago

That may be true, but see my other point: our collective fear of democracy is why two-thirds of our government is undemocratic and often unaccountable.

Joseph Eagar
Paul DeRocco: Forcing people to vote is like tethering our political future to a large sail, deployed into the winds of fad and fashion. People who feel they have a role in shaping political fashion naturally like this idea. · 2 hours ago

Oh come on.  People who vote today are hardly well-informed motivated statesmen.  The American fear of democracy is why the judicial and executive branches have near-dictatorial power.  We should get over it.

Joseph Eagar

Midget Faded Rattlesnake

Now I understand what you were trying to say.

But who will the people forced to vote, when they'd rather not, vote for?

I suppose if enough people who don't vote in any given election know who they'd vote for, but simply don't make it to the polling place, then compulsory voting is mostly about, um, encouraging(!)  people to express an opinion they already have. (But what right has the State to force us to express opinions, even in the voting booth?)

Still, what problem is being solved? The problem of pandering to the base? Is that a bigger problem than pandering to independents? (Can anything stop Pander Bears from pandering?)

Is the idea to force voters to choose politicians with less popular policies? How will that work? The vexing unpopularity of certain good ideas doesn't preclude the majority of unpopular ideas from being very, very bad. · 12 hours ago

I don't think pols should exclusively pander to the (what is it, 15%?) of independents in the middle.  But nor should they exclusively pander to the base.

Joseph Eagar

Someone should start a new meme on Twitter.  #FlushAwayEconomics.  That would be awesome.

Joseph Eagar

I love it.

Joseph Eagar

Midget Faded Rattlesnake

Huh?  You say "it forces party bases to turn out." But then you say, "Politicians do not have to live in fear of their supporters staying home on election day," which suggests that party bases don't need to be forced to turn out in the first place. I'm confused.

But being poorly informed is not the same thing as being

If Person X is poorly informed, but better informed than everyone else, he's the most well-informed. · 5 hours ago

Politicians have to worry about base turnout now, but if we had a national requirement to vote they wouldn't have too.  That was my point.

Let's suppose politics revolves around lazy bums who can't be bothered to show up. Forcing them to show up won't change their nature as lazy bums, so wouldn't politicians end up pandering to the same lazy-bum set even if voting is compulsory?

Politicians pander to them because they stay home on voting day, not because they are lazy bums. Thus, if you force them to vote, the problem is solved.

Joseph Eagar

It's not just a matter of raising taxes, either.  Remember that the vast majority of Americans pay little or no taxes.  Marginal rates will probably decline in the next few years, but effective rates are likely to go up.  And don't forget real bracket creep: growth in median income will naturally increase taxes over time.

The voters need to choose the level of government they want, then pay for it.  The Chinese and the rest of our trading partners are not going to bail us out for reckless fiscal policy (whether it's spending or tax cuts) forever.

Joseph Eagar

Midget Faded Rattlesnake

However, I question your assumption that the bases are "often the least well-informed". How do you know this, or are you just assuming it must be the case?

And I don't see how forcing people to vote will solve the problem you see.  Rather, I see it as wasting people's time and, as others have put it, forcing the legitimacy of the State on its citizens, which seems incompatible with being a free people.

It solves the problem because it forces party bases to turn out.  Politicians do not have to live in fear of their supporters staying home on election day.  Why should politics revolve around lazy bums who can't be bothered to show up at the polls without a lot of psychological support?

And frankly, I don't see how anyone could think either party's base is well-informed.  If nothing else, they are made up of voters, and voters do not like being told that a) their wages must decline, b) their benefits must decline, and c) their real tax burden must go up.  All of that is perfectly true, but understandably no one wants to admit it.

Joseph Eagar

Diane, you completely missed the point of that article.  American political parties do not appeal to mythical "educated voters"--they appeal to their bases, who are often the least well informed.  I've been saying we need a national requirement to vote forever, for exactly this reason.

Saying there is a right not to vote is idiotic.  Should small percentages of motivated (but clueless) Americans dictate public policy to the rest of us?

Joseph Eagar

Anyone ever wonder if getting rid of the charitable tax deduction--and it's subsidization of "non-profit" pressure groups--would keep this sort of thing from happening as often as it does?

Joseph Eagar

Midget Faded Rattlesnake

Hello? School choice? I hear some famous libertarian even left his fortune to the cause.

To anyone who hasn't had the dubious pleasure of working in an inner-city public school, as I have, school choice may seem only a small step. It's not. Those places are low-security prisons where the teachers aren't free to teach and the students aren't free to learn.

Dissolving the state stranglehold on child education is a goal ardently supported by libertarians as well as social conservatives. It's also an example of how increasing people's freedom to choose can win the culture wars without  state coercion.

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On another matter, there's a reason I used the phrase welfare-regulatory state to describe what crushes the poor, rather than simply welfare state. When the regulatory state makes it increasingly hard (expensive) to hire people legally, particularly low-wage workers, the underclass suffers. · 4 hours ago

I had forgotten about school choice.  That is an area of agreement.

Joseph Eagar

The dirty truth is that gay marriage is one of the few socially conservative issues that doesn't decimate the libertarian social-conservative alliance, since it basically involves doing nothing--gay marriage is already banned in most states.  Actual policy changes to reverse social breakdown would decimate that alliance.

If social breakdown were reversed, gay marriage wouldn't be such a problem to heterosexual voters, who might see it as what it was originally intended to be: an attack on mainstream gay culture.  But because fusionism has so narrowed the range of socially conservative policy debate, alternate polices that actually reverse social breakdown--as opposed to the gay marriage issue, which is basically a "don't make the problem worse" strategy--aren't even mentioned.

Joseph Eagar

Midget Faded Rattlesnake

Your counterexample makes no sense.

Working-class whites and inner-city blacks are  not  experiencing  more  free-market conditions than they used to be, but rather the reverse, due to a burgeoning welfare-regulatory state. They are now rewarded for failure and stifled from success, and so lose the "bourgeois" virtues of self-control and self-help. How is this an argument against  more market freedom instead of for  it?

Don't be absurd.  Growth of the American welfare state is concentrated in middle-class entitlements--means-tested welfare has actually shrunk a little bit.  In addition, the federal government and the states have  been experimenting with "free enterprise zones" for years, with little success.

I'm not saying we need less market freedom.  But the interventions needed to turn around the white working class and inner-city blacks will not be compatible with libertarianism.  This is why nothing ever gets done; look at the most extreme form of social conservatism today: "gay marriage is bad."  Rather than coercing heterosexual (or, my preference, all) couples to live in committed monogamous relationships, socially conservative policy makers are basically doing nothing.

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