It is widely believed that Mayor Daly won the 1960 election for Kennedy by stuffing ballot boxes.

Voter fraud is a Democrat's heritage.

Yes, I remember you posting that, however I pointed out that "more likely" is not all inclusive. Because anarchy is, for some, in their best interest, it becomes "more likely". And importantly, it does tend to be a covert mentality not open to public scrutiny.

You can't be suggesting that because corporatism may be the statistical mode that it obviates all other possibilities, or even the conceivable (outliers).

Especially when dealing with a weak government that is not entirely friendly to them it seems anarchy becomes an increased likelihood.

Government has always been an attractive nuisance, I don't see any alternative to this reality.

Even if you didn't have a fat juicy government, business would seek to make it so.

You have different personalities here using our code of law to advance their interests. What we have is the natural social evolution based on the Constitution and subsequent legal interpretation with opportunists in all sectors.

What exists is an organic system, and yes it's bloated and perhaps out of control.

I'm not sure what you think you were right about, other than your use of political nomenclature and befuddlement.

My observation that industrialists can be anarchists has yet to be countered or addressed by you.

This remains a significant point in that it's my belief that Libertarianism, intentionally or unwittingly, is the road to anarchy that serves powerful global interests. Libertarians are no less dupes than Leftists.

I know, you're having a real hoot at my expense, but when you settle down, maybe you can lower yourself to address the issues you raised.

I thought that's what you were saying. He was so worried he was going to be Jimmy Carter, and he still might be.

You're being generous, he screwed it up by appropriating credit that was due elsewhere.

He may have actually voted for Romney ... that is if he has any desire to preserve even a shred of his historical legacy.

I forget who started the topic a few weeks back, but it was an indictment of the journalists who have kept Obama in a bubble for 4 years with the question "When will they realize it was they who sunk Obama?"

True to form (for Leftists) they can blame everyone but themselves.

I can assure you that they haven't come close to hitting bottom.

You do know I wasn't referring to employees, don't you? Like the rock business I mentioned above, many manufacturers may see their rockets as consumable goods whose demand spikes under certain conditions.

This industry thrives on the destabilization brought about by anarchy which is often the result of weakened government. You don't find it possible that industry leaders might not have a vested interest in anarchy?

Harsh, not at all? My ignorance in the nomenclature is not equivalent to ignorance of the subject. While an understanding of the nomenclature can facilitate dialog, it shouldn't serve to obviate, befuddle it, or for purposes of pedantry.

Your use of the term "corporatist" suggested it applied to all corporations which I inferred to be free market. I find it odd that you would define one type of industrialist and deny the existence of anarchists. While it may be true, as you suggest, that many may be corporatists, that doesn't precludes anarchists.

I'll give you an example of when it dawned on me that corporations could be anarchist. I was running a blue print shop in Newport Beach, after an earthquake I was out talking to potential customer. One was a firm that supplied rock of all sorts for building. The conversation turned to the earthquake and the customer said "We love 'em, they're good for business." Hmmm ...

Anarchy makes a perfect setting for war. Do you think that somehow the military-industrial complex is filled with idealists and patriots?

Why could a corporatist not be an anarchist? Free market ideals are virtually indistinguishable from anarchy. Can you not imagine that there are industrialists that profit from anarchy?

Yeah, they don't tend to seek publicity, they work in the shadows. But Julian Assange is an anarchist, I would also count elements of the "military-industrial complex" as anarchists, other industrialists, I have no doubt, are anarchists.

I imagine there are a spectrum of anarchists seeking to destabilize the powers that be.

Reaching for my crystal ball:

I see we increasingly ignore incest with adult offspring.

I see such relationships gaining cache with elites.

I see blowback against any effort to enforce incest laws.

I see  a civil rights movement afoot with tremendous resources to coerce and influence.

I see the normalization of incest.

Oh, wait, I'm not looking at the future, this has already happened.

A big step in the right direction, do you credit Harper with influencing this change?

Can we just have a group Serenity Prayer here?