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Joseph Stanko
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3rd angle projection

Both commentaries are based on a study conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice. · 27 minutes ago

That study is here.

On page 13 they report the average nationwide rate of child sexual abuse in 1992 was 246 children per 100,000.  

That seems much more plausible to me than 9.6%.

Joseph Stanko

3rd angle projection

Something you 2 might be interested in regarding abuse rates, real and perceived. · 29 minutes ago

"Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it’s closer toone in 5 …

2004 U.S. Department of Education report reported that "the most accurate data available" reveals that "nearly 9.6 percent of [public school] students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career."

Wow.  Can those numbers be accurate?  I find that hard to fathom.

How are they defining "sexual abuse" and "sexual misconduct" here, would relatively minor things like inappropriate comments and off-color jokes qualify?

Joseph Stanko

Music at Mass today: choir, piano, tambourine, and a bongo drummer.

Par for the course in these parts. 

Joseph Stanko
Judith Levy, Ed.: Skyler, the Green movement in Iran arose in response to the stolen election of 2009, when Ahmadinejad fraudulently took office.

One thing that has puzzled me: why did they rig the 2009 election?

If the president is a mere sock-puppet, and all the candidates are vetted to remove anyone who might rock the boat, they why rig the outcome?  Seems like all downside (resulting protests) with no benefit.

Perhaps they fear that a reformist president with popular backing might wrest power from them, no matter how toothless the office is on paper?

Joseph Stanko

Cato Rand f/k/a GFL

Joseph Eagar

It's a messy issue.  I prefer the way my own religion does things, which is to prefer congregation leaders be married men.  Much less messy. · 0 minutes ago

Agreed.  I think the celibacy requirement is at the root of the problem, and was then compounded by institutional arrogance which lead to a failure to deal effectively with the problem when it was reported. · 1 hour ago

Children are most likely to be sexually abused by their father, step-father, or mother's latest boyfriend.  These men are not celibate.  Give men unsupervised access to children and some small percentage will molest them.

Do you have any evidence that celibate men are more likely to molest children than sexually active men?  I've never seen any such evidence.

Joseph Stanko

Joseph Paquette: 

I have no problem with zoning laws, local ordinances against behaviors or crimes, nor the government condemning a property to put up a school.  A community has that right.  But I strongly, strongly, deny the federal authority to regulate my health insurance, medications, land use, job, or about any of the other 15 things that keep becoming federal law.

Libertarians understand more than anyone laws are necessary, but should be made and enforced locally as possible. · 11 hours ago

Wait, that's your definition of "libertarian?"  I though the term for that was "federalist." 

Joseph Stanko

Snirtler: 

Is it possible to be inclined toward something and yet do nothing to realize it? From what I've read, there appears to be some wiggle room in the Vatican directive for homosexual persons, who choose not to act on their attractions.

The "wiggle room" appears confined to this paragraph:

Different, however, would be the case in which one were dealing with homosexual tendencies that were only the expression of a transitory problem - for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded. Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate.

That would seem to leave room for someone who was perhaps confused about their orientation for a period of time during adolescence, but has matured into a secure heterosexual identity.  It would also perhaps leave room for the "ex-gay," someone who has (or believes they have) changed their orientation as a result of therapy, prayer, or whatever.

Someone who still believes they have a homosexual orientation would not appear to me to qualify, whether or not they embrace celibacy.

Joseph Stanko

Cato Rand f/k/a GFL

The desire itself makes one "objectively disordered" and unsuited to the priesthood.

No, the desire itself is characterized as "objectively disordered," the desire does not make the person "objectively disordered."

Deep-seated homosexual tendencies, which are found in a number of men and women, are also objectively disordered and, for those same people, often constitute a trial. Such persons must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. They are called to fulfil God's will in their lives and to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter.

Your might reject the distinction between person vs. orientation/tendency, but to accurately describe the Vatican position you can't skip over that distinction.

Joseph Stanko

Honey and Salt

Joseph, that's a good way of putting it. While it's not an exact science, I ask myself, "What's Heaven's soundtrack?". If I'm allowed into Heaven and music is playing, will I see two angels; one scratching a record and the second with a cocked halo rapping Christian lyrics to God? Will I see a drum set and guitars? Crowd surfing maybe? I imagine the place being very sacred, as you said, to both the eyes and ears......chants, a good choir, maybe something classic style (Mozart Requiem, Bach Mass, Beethoven, etc....). · 33 minutes ago

Ah, you're thinking of Protestant Heaven.  Catholic Heaven is much more fun...

Joseph Stanko
The King Prawn: Question for the group: what is it about the organ, other than tradition, that garners such strong support? It's just another instrument no holier  or baser than any other. · 46 minutes ago

"Other than tradition?"  I suspect tradition is the core reason for much of the support.  People who grew up to organ hymns in church are naturally inclined to think organs sound more "churchy" than other instruments.

Also, I think there's something to be said for a distinct style of liturgical music that is different than popular music.  If I go to a club on Friday night and listen to music performed on electric guitar, drums, and piano, then hear the same instruments used in church Sunday morning, those instruments will seem ordinary, vulgar, profane...

Whereas traditional hymns set to organ music, or chant or other vocal music, has a very distinct style.  For me at least, it marks it off as "this is a sacred space" in a way that music that apes popular music cannot.

Joseph Stanko
Vince Guerra: Joseph, my experience has been that it's not so much music styles that lead to the divisions. It has a lot more to do with how much we will allow Christ to do with us. Will we be willing to set aside what we want, what we think, what we expect and what we are comfortable with, in order to let Him do all he is capable of? Many people are afraid of a Godthat big.

I agree that there are many things beside music that divide Christians.  My point, though, as a practical problem is: what kind of music could we use if we all wanted to worship together?

So far, we have people who love old hymns and King Prawn who loathes them.  We have people who were Christian rock drummers and people who can't abide praise music.  We have people (including me) who prefer Gregorian chant, and Misthiocracy who would prefer no music at all.

Are you suggesting that if we set aside what we want and let Christ lead us, he'd lead us all to embrace the same style of worship music?

Joseph Stanko
Vince Guerra: Last week I was undone in our service. The worship was so powerful, I had to sit down and collect myself afterwards. This was the song we sang, and the effect was similar. Lives were changed, souls were saved, bodies were healed and strongholds were broken. That's what genuine worship does. 

I'm very glad it had that effect on you.  It's not my cup of tea.

Which brings up an interesting point: we're all agreed that music should inspire the congregation, but it's clear we're inspired by different styles and genres of music.

I suppose it's inevitable that people will seek out and join congregations that play the kind of music that moves them.  Still, it saddens me to think that music ends up dividing Christians into rival camps rather than uniting us.

Joseph Stanko
Cato Rand f/k/a GFL: Thank you Snirtler, for reminding me why I left that church at the first opportunity.  The hierarchy, intolerance of dissent and intellectual suffocation that I see in your posts (128, 129, 133) is consistent with my memory of it.  Somehow, after 30 years away, there's a desire to think the church must have changed a bit with the times.  From everything on this discussion thread though, with you as the capstone, it seems clear that hope would be in vain.  I guess I am a pagan (As James says, in the old sense.  I don't actually worship Zeus, or Thor or anything.). · 5 hours ago

In #124 you suggested that you don't believe in anything outside the material world.  In other words, you don't believe in God.

If true, it seems that your disagreement with the Church runs far deeper than questions of sexual morality or how the hierarchy is organized.  Or are you proposing that in the name of "changing a bit with the times" the Church should discard the entire Creed and embrace atheistic materialism?

Joseph Stanko
Fake John Galt: A life that may have to endure incredible challenges and hardships. A life that maybe crushed under the boot of the leviathan state. A life that may actively support a corrupt government crushing humanity before it.

Such is the human condition.  Always has been, always will be.  There is nothing new under the sun.

Joseph Stanko
Fake John Galt: Nobody is talking about killing themselves.

That is precisely my point.

You are saying that the future is so incredibly bleak that life will not be worth living.

Joseph Stanko

Cato Rand f/k/a GFL

I get "protects their own" and I'm virtually certain you're right about that.  That's human nature.  But what else is on the "agenda?" · 0 minutes ago

How should I know?  It's a secret agenda...

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