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Franco

Somehow Rush is supposed to take into account how people can misunderstand his remarks and reconsider how he phrases things?

I'd be very interested in your take on the God is a Socialist thread. There the POPE who is listened to, and unlike Limbaugh, blindly followed, by hundreds of millions around the world, made a speech that sounds awfully close to a full endorsement of Socialism or Fascism. What say you?

Franco

Bloomberg was quick to point out that bra-burning is still an offense, now prosecuted by the EPA under environmental regulations.

Franco

Submission for NY Post headline:

Nanny Nixes Tix for Nips

Franco

I clicked "show more" and all I got was a pic of Bloomberg. Thanks a lot!

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Franco

The state does not, should not and cannot provide for the common good. Anyone who believes that it should  is a leftist by default.

This pope explicitly said that markets prevent the state from exercising this presumed function. It is not only un-American, I think it is in direct opposition to Chist's teachings. Render to Ceasar the things that are Ceasar's. Christ was concerned with the deeper, wider world of the spirit, he wasn't trying to improve things for the horribly oppressed Hebrews in any political sense.

The Catholic Church such as I understand it, functions outside of politics and economics (although I wonder how the Church keeps its   finances outside the realm of markets and away from speculation) 

The Church has always been ministering to the weak and the poor. They have always been there under many different systems. People have always been oppressed  and compared to other times, people of the world - even the poorest, are now better off than ever. I don't see why the pope feels he needs to lecture us on this subject. I actually makes me angry, because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Franco

Joseph Stanko

Red Feline

The Catholic Online has the original text, and it says:

"While the income of a minority is increasing exponentially, that of the majority is crumbling. This imbalance results fromideologies which uphold the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation, and thus deny the right of control to States,which are themselves charged with providing for the common good. "

Isn't this what the Pope actually said? · 47 minutes ago

Yes, that is what he said.  As I said above, I believe states are indeed charged with providing for the common good.  The preamble to the U.S. Constitution says essentially the same thing.

The state does have the right to control markets and financial speculation, for instance: the Federal Reserve, the SEC, the FDIC, the FDA, etc.  Markets require laws, rules, and regulations to function at anything more advanced than a town square barter economy.

I realize there are some anarcho-capitalists on here who will deny this vociferously, but as already established I am not one of them. ·

I'm not an anarcho-capitalist either, but I'm an anti-totalitarian.

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Franco

As a fiddle player myself, she's quite good, creative compared to what's out there on the mainstream radio or pop charts.

I know about 15 working violin players from classical, gypsy, celtic klezmer, old-time and swing, etc. The violin is truly a great instrument! There is so very much a player can do with it.

Her popularity on youtube  comes  mainly from the quality of these videos - a pretty/cute girl dancing and playing in an exotic environment. Nowadays you have to have the whole package.  However I agree with your basic point that the market is a boon for musicians. 

KP - little different genre here (my favorite English traditional)- a very interesting documentary featuring Eliza Carthy

Next, an unbelievable musician/bandleader/performer and really good guy,   Sick !!! and if you begin to understand the extent of his talent/genius, you can see whyhe  has trouble fitting in to the real world and therfore not famous. He's not trying really though. Everybody thinks if you are not famous you aren't any good. There's some truth to that but there are quite a few exceptions.

Franco
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Franco

dittoheadadt: Since its beginning I refused to watch that Liberal-Leftist garbage known as30Rock.

Turns out I was hugely mistaken.  It's funny -veryfunny - and they ridicule things Leftist far more than they do things on the Right.  So much so that I wouldn't be surprised if Tina Fey is either a conservative Democrat or moderate Republican in real life.  And if she really is a Liberal Democrat, then she's the FIRST ONE with a genuine sense of humor.

So my recommendation:30Rock.  Give it 8 episodes (the first 8) to get a sense of the characters.  I think you'll be hooked.  I am.

I've always avoided this show, partly because of Fey's imprint on my brain as a duitzy Sarah Palin, and of course Alec Baldwin. However these two are talented and they are not one-dimentional liberal lefties as I have come to learn.  Adam Carolla just said he thinks 30Rock is one of the best written shows on TV in the last 10 years, and I value his opinion. You have pushed me over the tipping point. Thanks, I bet I will like it.

Franco

I can't help but remember how Pope Paul in the 80's championed the cause of individual freedom and valued that from his experiences in Socialist Poland.  His focus on that freedom a huge difference in the world.

Well, live by the sword, die by the sword, this Pope is a product of crony capitalist Argentina and is offering us his ideas.

The problem I have with this is that I just discovered that more Catholics voted for Obama than Romney. At the same time we are importing a peasant class of uneducated (for the most part) Catholics from Mexico and Central America, who have strong family values but a default socialist world-view. These kind of pronouncements don't help the cause of freedom.

When the Pope's message is indistingushable from the Occupy Wall Streeters, that's a political problem for me. In the meantime, every religion, certainly Catholics, like to grow their ranks and gain influence. I like Catholics, I honor Catholics and religious people, but Catholicism - as an organized religion is starting to look like a threat to freedom. Economic freedom is fundamental to general freedom and individuality.  

Franco

So he's saying that markets deny the State the ability to provide for the common good. Now the Pope might - might, be someone who is wise enough to make those decisions for everyone and prioritize and arbitrate *the common good* but he'd have to be extra-special infallible to do such a thing. 

In effect, he is appealing to the benevolence of the State, which view doesn't exist and never has. It's naive at best. It is the idea that somehow some state can make everything equal and fair through economic means. Our founding documents make no connection between markets and the government . There is a big difference between providing and promoting, and general welfare and common good. Lastly there is something about "liberty" in the one quote, and nothing about the value of liberty in his missive. Liberty is a very important element when talking about the general welfare, which is why our founders included that in the same sentance, I suspect.

Franco

Joseph Stanko

Franco: 

From the Vatican translation: 

This imbalance results from ideologies which uphold the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation, and thusdeny the right of control to States, which are themselves charged with providing for the common good.

States charged with providing for the common good?

Really, you disagree with that?

Of course states exist to provide for the common good, as in:

in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity

What's so controversial about that?

That the state exists to promote the common good strikes me as a bland platitude that none of the Founding Fathers would have disagreed with.  Itshouldpromote the common good rather than the interests of the powerful and well-connected, as it so often does. 

The idea that markets deny the State the ability to control for the common good is socialism and central planning. The State interfering or dictating to the market for the *common good* is what every communist tyranny tried to do.

Franco

Joseph Stanko

Franco: 

A related point: Why, oh why, do so many social conservatives like Peter continually insist upon arguing against libertarianism in it's final or most extreme form as though this is some all-or-nothing dogmatic movement? 

Is this the first Fred Cole post you've ever read?

If so, check out the one that's currently Most Popular on the Member Feed: Rand Paul Was Fun While He Lasted.

Rand Paul is by any measure one of the most libertarian members of Congress, but he failed Fred's purity test, so Fred is ready to write him off.  Isn't that a perfect of example of all-or-nothing dogmatism in action?

If you want to be perceived as more pragmatic and willing to compromise, I suggest you find some less dogmatic spokesmen.  Or spokes-cats, as the case may be. 

I read and commented on that post. Fred was dissapointed, as I was, but "purity test" goes too far. Read through the comments. Fred is far more libertarian that I but that doesn't mean we all are, and last I checked people are talking about gteneric 'libertarians' , not Fred Coles. And what Amy said.

Franco

Sweet and Low

DocJay:  Oahu 91, I'm on a pay phone and two massive Samoans pull up in a Datsun 210 barely off the ground.  I must have smiled and the guy in the passenger seat says,"You no look at me I no look at you".  So I turned away and soon after that a giant loogie was spit on my calf.  I turned and spit in the guys face and as he exited I mashed a sandal in to his knee.  I fled with over a thousand pounds of angry Polynesian after me.

Stupid and impulsive. 

Is this the point where we're supposed to admire your, what?  Courage?  

Let's see if I've got this straight - you insulted two fat guy for no reason, they warned you to back off, you kicked them then ran away like a girl.  

Doc is away at another post, so I'm stepping in. A smile is not an insult. He was spit upon, basically unprovoked. These men were nasty bullies. He reacted (perhaps unwisely but boldly) He ran away to save his life. You obviously don't know what it's like to be a man. Stifle, Edith.

Franco

Severely Ltd.

Foxfier: 

The defensive excuses used for the last Pope were weak and considering this one has dug himself in quite a bit deeper, I imagine the excuses will be even more creative. 

She 'unfollowed', so allow me to make the case (although I'm sure I'm not up to a true believing Catholic's creativity) : 

You see, the Pope is infallible on spiritual matters, however he's free to make stupid remarks about whatever else that a bunch of Catholics around the world listen to, but they are well aware that he's only infallible in spirtual matters, so there isn't a problem here. 

Franco

Much of what he says I can partially agree with, there is too much emphasis on wealth and money and consumer goods and some real exploitation going on. I get that. But his inclusion of financial markets and some other statements take the sermon into Occupy Wall Street territory.

From the Vatican translation: 

This imbalance results from ideologies which uphold the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation, and thus deny the right of control to States, which are themselves charged with providing for the common good.

States charged with providing for the common good?

Pope Francis the Scary 

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