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No one doubts we are in a fight and we should act like it.  However, one doesn't need to behave like Issa in order to engage in that fight.  Throwing out accusations and appearing as if intentionally preventing the witness from responding is not the way to go about it.  If the public watches any of this, he does not come off well.

Point taken, but it is too narrowly focused. If the public watches the clip at Real Clear Politics that shows the continuation of the questioning (linked in post #25, above) Holder is exposed as the liar he is.

That is why I suggest you watch Issa's masterful performance. You'll see Issa's jab in a fuller context and appreciate the way Issa calmly demonstrates the accuracy of his "you didn't want us to see the details" statement. · 57 minutes ago

Fair enough...I haven't seen the whole clip.  I will view it.

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Matthew Gilley

You're correct, but the problem is that your advice is out of place.  Is that how I would handle a witness under oath at a trial, hearing, or deposition?  You bet, 100%.  The difference is that as much as we would prefer otherwise, politics is a contact sport.  Issa threw an elbow that needed to be thrown. · 5 hours ago

Even if you believe that Issa handled it in a necessary manner...why would anyone be surprised with the way in Holder responded?  The title of the post was the "holder attacks issa", I think any high ranking government official would have attacked Issa in that situation.

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Chris Campion: I recall a lot of podcasts where Rob made the point, repeatedly, that holding some kind of moral high ground while Progressivism tunnels out the land beneath you might make for a rude awakening - like, say, the elections of 2008 and 2012.

You're in a fight, whether you want to be in one or not.  Start acting like you want to win.  Failing to win gives us such wonderful results like Benghazi, a shambles of an economy, debt at 100% of GDP, a White House that thinks it's just swell to use the IRS to target conservative groups, etc.

How's that high ground working out for Americans? · 8 hours ago

No one doubts we are in a fight and we should act like it.  However, one doesn't need to behave like Issa in order to engage in that fight.  Throwing out accusations and appearing as if intentionally preventing the witness from responding is not the way to go about it.  If the public watches any of this, he does not come off well.

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Matthew Gilley

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Matthew Gilley: Tom, most people sitting in Holder's seat didn't preside over a department that seized reporters' phone records under dubious circumstances. Most people sitting in Holder's seat didn't duck responsibility and evade questions for those shenanigans by playing stupid. Most people sitting in Holder's position didn't spike a slam dunk voting rights prosecution for no good reason. ...

Let's just assume all that is true....

That's an interesting lead - do you doubt any of that was true?

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Chris Campion: Is calling Holder's conduct at DoJ "unacceptable" acceptable in a hearing on the unacceptability of his tenure at the DoJ?

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Why should Congressman Issa should care when his witness has been held in contempt of Congress and has repeatedly stonewalled Issa's progress and cause?  Any progress will come from other witnesses; Holder is a waste of time at this point. · 14 hours ago

It makes no difference whether I think it is true or not but, I think it is generally true.  Look, if you think Issa's conduct is fine, more power to you but it is not helping he cause.

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Chris Campion: Is calling Holder's conduct at DoJ "unacceptable" acceptable in a hearing on the unacceptability of his tenure at the DoJ?

People shot with guns sent south in Fast and Furious didn't get a chance to respond, either.  Boo hoo if Holder's didies got partially soiled in his "grilling".  If that's the toughest thing he has to do today, he should smooch the chair that Issa sat in for 8 hours. · 1 hour ago

I think this is mostly beside the point.  Even if his behavior is unacceptable, does it further Issa's cause or progress on the issue at hand to make serious accusations and then attempt to prevent the witness from responding?  I don't think so.

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Matthew Gilley

Tom Kirkwold: The Republicans may have an opportunity here.  They need to step it up.  That's all I'm saying.  I'm not defending Holder.  Anybody can badger the witness but then it will just be a cheap sideshow with nothing to show for it in the end. · 9 minutes ago

Step it up, eh?  I think you can count on that happening.

Here's the thing, though:  a witness has two jobs - (1) answer questions and (2) tell the truth.  Eric Holder has spent five years doing precious little of either.  If Republicans are going to "step it up" and get to the truth, they're going to have to go around Holder and the rest of the cabinet directly to front line people (like the Benghazi whistleblowers).  Yes, Republicans have an opportunity here, and extending courtesy to Eric Holder has nothing to do with seizing it.  · 2 hours ago

It is not an issue of extending courtesy, it is a matter of Issa behaving professionally.  He mad a serious accusation against the witness and then tried to move on very quickly. 

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Matthew Gilley: Tom, most people sitting in Holder's seat didn't preside over a department that seized reporters' phone records under dubious circumstances. Most people sitting in Holder's seat didn't duck responsibility and evade questions for those shenanigans by playing stupid. Most people sitting in Holder's position didn't spike a slam dunk voting rights prosecution for no good reason. Maybe, just maybe, Holder needs to look in the mirror if he wants to know why he's not getting his boots licked as tenderly as he would prefer. · 3 hours ago

Let's just assume all that is true.  That still doesn't excuse Issa from making an accusation in that forum and then trying to swiftly move on to other questions.  I have zero sympathy for Holder but he had a right and, frankly, a necessity to respond in kind.  Issa did himself or the cause no favors with that exchange.

Edited on May 16, 2013 at 5:07am
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Benjamin Carter

 

I enjoy his show, as well as The Colbert Report. Most of my favorite comedians are far, far left leaning. Daniel Tosh, Louis C.K., Chris Rock. While I'll never understand their politics, I'm not listening to them for political advice.  I understand what I believe and can read the straw-men when they bring them up. I don't let it get me worked up or bothered. 

Flame suit on... · 3 hours ago

Agree with this to some extent.  I am drawn to humor as well and feel like I can separate the message from the political leanings of the messenger.  The problem I have had the past 5-10 years is that too much politics has become a part of the program (also in a mean spirited way) and that the constant strawmen make the overall much less funny.   Embellishment and exaggeration is funny when the premise is true or at least has a general truth embedded in it.  These days it just seems more that jokes are the side show and the intent is to deliver a specific message, accurate or not.  It is much better when it is the opposite.

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 I am in the 3/4 camp.  The actual measured warming over the past 150 years seems, by most accounts and several different pieces of evidence, to be legit.  I am TBD on the extent of man's cause and most policy responses seem mind numbingly stupid and driven by a religious-like belief and a desire for bigger government.  It is a dream for leftists and in many instances, a strong rent seeking motive by companies and venture capitalists. 

A thought experiment I like to use is to wonder if all the "believers" would be happy if we found definitive proof that climate change is nothing to worry about and we can go about a fossil-fuel burning lives.  I am certain the answer is no.  Kind of like Al Sharpton having no interest in happy race relations and a fully "color blind" society.

Also, I find that (as others have noted) that a lot of the people screaming "science" don't have the first clue what science actually is.  The method, falsifiability, etc.  As it pertains to climate change, climate science to me seems no different that many of the "social science" disciplines.

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How about Naked Gun?  Leslie Nielsen was a genius the umpire scene is possibly the funniest 10 minutes in movie history.

"A bunch of bombs in the air..."

"Hey, its Enrico Pillazzo"

".......Strike?"

"Steeeeeriiiiiiiiike three!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"He was safe, he never tagged him with the ball.  It was a force out you idiot, he doesn't need to tag him.  Yeah?  You're outta here!!!"

"Give me a minute, I will slip into something more comfortable"

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I was particularly amused at the "we don't spend enough on public education because """"family""""argument.  If anything we spend too much on public education considering what a failure it is.  Just look at some numbers, per capita, we waste more money on education than other countries, who spend less per capita and have better education numbers.  We should just copy whatever Japan is doing; they spend about half as much and get better results. · 1 hour ago

One thing that I always find amusing is that the per capital spending with worse outcomes (very debatable but let's assume it is true) is one of the first arguments those on the left use when deriding our health care system.  This very same fact seems to cause them no consternation when it comes to education.   Tells you a lot.

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Modus Ponens: So she begins with the false premise that we don't spend enough on public education and somehow concludes that to remedy this non-problem we must eliminate the notion that children should be cared for privately by their parents.

This person has a television show.

A perfect example of the pseudointellectual who judges an idea solely on how antithetical it is to common sense. · 16 hours ago

Exactly....the premise in the first commercial is simply false to any sort of objective observer.  If she doesn't think we have invested enough in education over the past 40 years, I shudder to think how much (in actual $ terms) she things we should spend.

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It's my responsibility until I decide its yours.

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To succeed in the larger goal- which is neither turning Iraq into Missouri nor Iran, but in having a ready force as tripwire and cop in the world's most volatile region- all we needed to do after 5 years was complete a sensible status-of-forces agreement.  We were denied that by Obama, and by irresponsible isolationists, both Republican and Democrat.

I may be an evil neocon, but that is truth. · 1 hour ago

It seems to me that there is an element missing from this analysis.  Which is does the permanent presence you propose result in a higher probability of hostilities against the US elsewhere in the world.  This is most certainly a "cost" of the your plan and that cost is not meaningless.

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Devereaux

Well, the Ivies may have a formal no athletic scholarship program, but they certainly give scholarships to some whose significant contribution is expected to be sports. Everyone knew the jocks as "ringers" - who often took "ringer" classes to get by. Now I grant this was the 60's, but I doubt things have changed much. · 8 hours ago

I can speak from experience.  It hasn't changed all that much.  My experience was in the 90's though.  My post was a bit tongue-in-cheek which is why I used the word "officially"...perhaps I should have italicized.

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Douglas

There's very little scholarship in athletic scholarships. Eliminate them, completely. Doesn't matter what your kid's 40 time is. If he doesn't have a brain for college, then he doesn't belong there. · 2 hours ago

If everyone without a brain was not allowed to go to college as you suggest, then we would have to get ride of at least 50% of the existing student population.  They belong there no more than the scholarship athletes.  And, by the way, most football programs that provide scholarships, do make money.  The rest of the athletic departments, no so much.

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