I have no idea about Mitt Romney, but I need to add something:
I have this firm belief about America: There are two kinds of people in America: People who who have made it and people who are still working on it. But this is America, anyone who wants to can get there.
There's a third kind, the kind that's content to be a janitor, but they are a very tiny minority.
So you have a business owner entrepreneur on stage. There might be a couple of entrepreneurs in the audience, but the rest of that audience is nodding their head at that entrepreneur because they want to be him. The message that freedom brings opportunity appeals to them.
That's why glorifying the janitor is stupid. The entrepreneur, the self-made man, is an American phenomenon. There are dead eyed janitors everywhere. You can put him on stage, but unless he tells me about his plans to start his own janitorial service (and it happens, often), I don't care what he has to say.
Nothing that glorifies that janitor is going to sellf_the_message_of freedom.
Umbra Fractus: I hate to say this, but being on Ricochet has actually made meless libertarian. If anything I've learned how incomplete libertarianism is as a philosophy; they can only tell you what government should not do, but they don't seem aware of the fact that big government arose in response to real problems. Libertarians have no answers regarding how address those problems if not government, and on the rare occasions when they try to address those issues it basically boils down to, "The market will fix everything." Libertarians are often just as maddeningly utopian as socialists.
Also, as much as we Ricochetti like to pat ourselves on our collective backs for how smart we are, there is in fact a lot of echo-chambering going on here. Ricochet is just as useful for showing me the flaws in conservative logic as the strengths.
I'm sorry for the negativity; I really do like this place, but I think if we're going to have a thread like this, these things need to be said. · 4 hours ago
This (and considering the number if likes this got, I'm right) really deserves its own post.
C. U. Douglas: Wise words, Fred Cole. In all honesty I think the 2014 elections and the following presidential election will tell me a lot about where I want to be.
Also, if I run for office it'll tell me which party I'd want to run under. · 1 hour ago
That's what it comes down to. There's a civil-war going on right now in the Republican Party. We don't know how it'll turn out yet.
I can still lose and be okay with it. But it depends how my side loses.
The nightmare scenario would be someone who is specifically anti-libertarian being nominated. Somebody like Rick Santorum.
You're at that crossroads, but you don't need to pick a direction yet. I'm in a similar place.
May I make a suggestion?
Don't pick a direction yet. I think the primary in 2016 will be very instructive about the direction of the Republican Party.
It's going to make a choice to accept or reject libertarians. And not necessarily the result (who gets nominated) but how it goes down will be very interesting.
Franco: So far I've managed to catalogue 7 different species of right-wingers. · 0 minutes ago
That deserves its own post.
Oh yeah? Who's gonna comment? Check out my profile for recent posts. Besides, I have enough enemies here. And Fred, you have one whole category to yourself. Take that as a compliment. · 10 minutes ago
Robert E. Lee: I like sex, but I hate gratuitous sex in films. If it isn't necessary to the story it's just a distraction. · 1 hour ago
Seconded.
My favorite observation from the original post is this:
Sex scenes work onscreen when they illuminate character, not when they are trying to arouse the audience. They might not, in fact, be sexy at all.
If you include a sex scene and it doesn't illuminate the character in any way, then its just a sex scene and its only there to distract from some other failing in the work.
There was a reason, in great crisis, 'republican' Rome appointed men, for a season, with dictatorial powers, even though they hated kings. It's not antithetical to our values, the founders as students of the classics, that our own constitution enables our executive a shade of those powers against existential enemies.
Well, clearly James Madison, who wrote the Constitution, disagreed. He refused to assume those powers because he, after studying history, knew where it would lead.
So we get to the situation where James Madison let Washington DC be burned rather than assume war powers in excess of those granted to him by the Constitution.
So please don't lay that appeal-the-Founders stuff on me as a justification for dictatorship under our Constitution. You don't get more Originalist than James Madison and you don't get a more existential threat than the British torching the White House.
And if those people, those free citizens, refuse to assist by giving their labor services or turning over their money to the state to fight a war, even if it is an existential threat, that should tell you something.
One of the theories behind the Fall of the Roman Empire is that people stopped resisting the Fall when being Roman was no better than being non-Roman.
If people don't want to fight maybe because they don't believe in the fight, and maybe they don't believe in it because they don't see what they're fighting for as worth it.
Maybe that society is so corrupt or broken that they don't want to fight to defend it.
And in those rare cases where you're talking about the existence of a society, maybe they don't want to fight because that society isn't worth defending anymore.
Antiphon: I just don't see any society, even after the fact, would prostrate themselves before the words "liberty" and "republicanism' when they recognized they were in a struggle for survival. I would think only a weak leader would say, with any enemy marching on the gates, 'we'll we've run out of money and soldiers in our regular army. Could press civilian men and materiál into the fight, but that that would violate the non-aggression principle. I suppose we'll run up the white flag'. Sounds absurd because it is.
But now you're conflating society with government. Who is society? Is it the people who want to force others to fight or is it the resisters too?
In reality, what happens, with a few notable exceptions, is that the guys in charge of the government, who command the men with guns, do whatever it takes to survives, principles be damned. The only principle for them is survival.
That could be_noble when_you're about to be overrun by Huns who are literally at the_gates, but then it gets diluted down so the existential threat_is_claimed to be from people in caves on the other side of the_world.
The erosion of the foundations of our culture created a vacuum easily filled by an expanding state.
You're missing something: The state creates the erosion.
Yes, I think it is a complicated dance where loss of religion and encroachment of state are by turns both cause and effect. In my mind not worth arguing about which started it.
Sorry, I realize that you were using "the foundations of our culture" and religion as synonyms. My bad.
By the way, no offense, and I don't ever say this here, but that's a bull [expletive] answer on your part. Rather than argue or discuss the cause, you've decided that its not worth bothering to discuss.
Which is unfortunate, because that discussion will allow you to explore and find the cause and maybe a solution. You're wrong, it's not complicated and it's not a dance. The history doesn't match your conception of it. And its frustrating to me that you've shut that down with your notion of "a complicated dance."
Re: Rick Santorum Gets It Right
Robert Johnson
Maybe Cole and Romney have the same blind spot?
I have no idea about Mitt Romney, but I need to add something:
I have this firm belief about America: There are two kinds of people in America: People who who have made it and people who are still working on it. But this is America, anyone who wants to can get there.
There's a third kind, the kind that's content to be a janitor, but they are a very tiny minority.
So you have a business owner entrepreneur on stage. There might be a couple of entrepreneurs in the audience, but the rest of that audience is nodding their head at that entrepreneur because they want to be him. The message that freedom brings opportunity appeals to them.
That's why glorifying the janitor is stupid. The entrepreneur, the self-made man, is an American phenomenon. There are dead eyed janitors everywhere. You can put him on stage, but unless he tells me about his plans to start his own janitorial service (and it happens, often), I don't care what he has to say.
Nothing that glorifies that janitor is going to sellf_the_message_of freedom.