I'm guessing that there may be a bit of statistical payback here for the way the survey results in the Pentagon report were originally extrapolated, but who knows?
BrentB67: I wouldn't have guessed that in two lifetimes.
It sounds like repealing DADT is working about as well as integrating women into combat units. · 6 minutes ago
Colin B Lane: @Basil Fawlty, so where did the idea of targeting conservative groups originate, if not with bureaucrats doing what they believed would impress a boss who relishes turning his political opponents into evil cartoon characters?
If you're arguing that it originated with the political leadership, I won't disagree with that. Proof, at this point, is lacking.
The point of KC's post, however, is that it didn't need to be a command from the top in order to be carried out as a tacit order. And that is a point I continue to agree with.
I would be amazed if the screening criteria were developed by civil servants. They were developed by political appointees, who then instructed subordinate civil servants on how to apply them.
Well, here's hoping said political appointees left their DNA on a blue dress (oops, sorry, I meant to say "their fingerprints on a memo") somewhere. · 0 minutes ago
Attempt to fire a few civil servants for "overreaching" and they will present you with the actual fingers.
Colin B Lane: @Basil Fawlty, so where did the idea of targeting conservative groups originate, if not with bureaucrats doing what they believed would impress a boss who relishes turning his political opponents into evil cartoon characters?
If you're arguing that it originated with the political leadership, I won't disagree with that. Proof, at this point, is lacking.
The point of KC's post, however, is that it didn't need to be a command from the top in order to be carried out as a tacit order. And that is a point I continue to agree with. · in 1 minute
I would be amazed if the screening criteria were developed by civil servants. They were developed by political appointees, who then instructed subordinate civil servants on how to apply them.
The flaw was always that not everyone would be sufficiently programmed, which is probably why it took a fellow-traveler President appointing people to key positions. But there's no question in my mind that KC's premise -- that they didn't have to be ordered to do these things -- is spot-on. · 9 minutes ago
I fear that said premise buys into the White House spin a bit more than I'd care to spend.
In my experience, the federal bureaucracy is one of the more apolitical groups in society. Its members have to be to survive the wholesale shifts in political leadership that can occur every four years. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if at least some of the impetus for the Inspector General for Tax Administration's investigation came anonymously from civil servants unhappy about what they considered a dangerous politicization of their jobs.
Basil, generally speaking you make a good point. However, these civil servants have never worked for a "leader" like President Obama. They have never served under anyone who spends nearly every waking moment actively demonizing his opponents. Isn't it just possible that ambitious progressives in the IRS felt finally liberated to impress a boss who seems to "get" how evil conservatives really are? · in 4 minutes
Colin, that's unlikely since there was a good possibility that the boss they wanted to impress would soon be replaced by a PO'd Republican. For federal civil servants, security trumps ideology.
DrewInWisconsin: KC, I think what you're saying here is that these people didn't have to be told by anyone in authority over them to oppress conservatives and spread progressivism, because they've received that order and that message throughout their lives. In all the institutions of education they've moved through, in all the little agencies they've worked in, in every little pocket of government where they've been cozily residing, that message --progressivism uber alles -- is just part of the air they breathe.
In my experience, the federal bureaucracy is one of the more apolitical groups in society. Its members have to be to survive the wholesale shifts in political leadership that can occur every four years. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if at least some of the impetus for the Inspector General for Tax Administration's investigation came anonymously from civil servants unhappy about what they considered a dangerous politicization of their jobs.
I agree with Jon on this. If federal bureaucrats (and I was one for my whole career) are governed by a single imperative, it's that the current administration will soon be replaced by the next one, which will be hostile to the first one. They follow orders to the best of their ability but they do not freelance. The idea that these scandals originated with civil servants is silly. The scandals originated with the political leadership.
After this Pentagon "report" and its aftermath, I suspect that any commander who subsequently dismisses even the most frivolous sexual assault charge will have to be either incredibly brave or incredibly stupid.
One thing I am reacting to is nothing is more frustrating that being looked upon with suspicion just for being a woman, for being myself. There have been times when I've been looked at by other women and men with suspicion just because I was talking to a man. Or worse, others equating me just talking as "flirting" just because I'm a woman! I could be talking about the sky being blue and I'm held up to scrutiny! This is offensive. I'm not doing anything wrong by just being myself. No woman is. The suspicion should be directed to the person with impure thoughts, not the woman just being herself. · 0 minutes ago
You could apply this equally to a man falsely accused.
Mike Visser: The obvious solution is to kick all straight men out of the military. · in 1 minute
Historically, there has always been a degree of homosexuality in the military. Occasionally there is homosexual aggression against male military members. We don't hear about it in the media because it is taken care of in back alley confrontations. Problem solved. It isn't uncommon to hear stories about such confrontations.
Sorry. Such back alley confrontations are now known as homophobic assaults.
My concern is that this will devolve into a program like the one described by Greg Lukianoff (which the government is attempting to impose on universities), where the definition of "sexual assault" broadens and the due process rights of the accused narrow.
kohana: You know you're in a socialist country when you need a Sear's Catalog for..., oh, wait.... · 5 minutes ago
We were partial to the Montgomery Ward's catalog. It was the Charmin of catalogs. · May 16, 2013 at 8:05pm
Edited on May 16, 2013 at 8:07pm
Peter Robinson lives in socialist California and he complains about receiving multiple Restoration Hardware catalogs? You just can't satisfy some people.
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