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Health, Privacy, and Shin Bet Surveillance
Israel is re-opening the economy, and the world is watching our success story against COVID-19. Many parameters probably played a role in reducing the health impact of the virus. Still, it seems that closing the borders early and the outstanding behavior of the population are the main factors. The overwhelming majority of Israelis agreed to make drastic changes to save lives. This behavior isn’t unusual, Israelis live permanently in a state of emergency, almost instinctively, we come together in solidarity and unity at times of danger. But, the citizens also dictated the end of the strict lockdowns when the economic and emotional cost became unbearable. As days passed, and the virus felt less devastating than previously thought citizens demanded an end of the restrictions, leaving no choice to our government than to relax the most coercive legislation.
However, there is a tool that our government used during this crisis: military-grade surveillance on private citizens, and even as we return to our “normal” life, this monitoring persists. The use of such surveillance was defended as a tool for saving lives through contact tracing of the infection. It turns out that this system, operated by the Shin Bet, only helped reveal a minuscule number of cases. Despite those poor results, we are still under full surveillance even after the containment of the virus and return to “normal” activities. Detailed information about every single aspect of our life is being watched and stored by government agencies. They know who we meet, how long we spend with our friends, where we shop, where we walk. They trace every action we take during the day. It’s often described as one of the most intrusive surveillance systems in the world and with the exception of China, no other countries have deployed such monitoring in their fight against COVID-19.
In fact, until a few weeks ago, this type of surveillance had only been used against suspected terrorists. Have we all become suspected terrorists in the eyes of our government?
Some will say that they have nothing to hide, and that surveillance is only a small imposition for saving a life, but the choice isn’t between privacy or health, we can have them both. The Health ministry app, HAMAGEN, is already less intrusive to our privacy than the Shin Bet run surveillance. It is open-source, offering higher transparency than military software and presumably anonymous. Unfortunately, the data collected is stored in a centralized server susceptible to a single point of failure in case of a human mistake or an enemy attack. More secure decentralized solutions based on blockchain technology already started to appear on the market. Our start-up nation is undoubtedly capable of building a decentralized, open-source, anonymous application that will excel at contact tracing and respect our privacy.
Defaulting to the most intrusive surveillance system shows that our government doesn’t place any value on our privacy and security.
Israelis are aware of the dangers of using such surveillance, on the civilian population. In a survey administered by the Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies on April 1, 67% of the respondents expressed concern about the use of surveillance on private citizens, and 55% doubted that the government would cancel civilian monitoring after the crisis.
A month later, the Shin Bet surveillance is still going strong, with no sign that the government will ever want to cancel it. Our Prime Minister even proudly raised the idea of placing ankle bracelets on children that would buzz when they don’t practice social distancing. This proposal isn’t a new episode of “Black Mirror” or a scene from 1984; this is our Prime Minister talking on national television during his latest press conference (from minute 22).
It is time for each of us to think about the world our families will live in tomorrow; this is a fight for our home. If Israeli citizens fail to demand the immediate cancellation of this military-grade monitoring on our phones and internet activities by the Shin Bet agency, it will become a permanent feature of our lives.
A national discussion needs to take place in total transparency between the government and its citizens. It is not appropriate, to say the least, that such an emergency measure, never activated before in Israel, will be swept through the Knesset without substantial national deliberations and dialogue with the citizens.
Contact tracing may be a necessity, but it needs to be entirely voluntary and based on reciprocal trust between the government and the citizens. As the citizens trust the government to protect them, the government needs to trust its citizens to do the right thing and stop monitoring them like suspected terrorists.
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contact tracing sounds great in theory but in practice it depends on who is doing the tracing.
I’m not sure if tracing would be effective now.
Isn’t it too late? Aren’t we past the point of tracing?
Wouldn’t it be better to focus on anti-body testing?
It’s happening in India
https://www.asiapacificsecuritymagazine.com/the-covid-surveillance/
Govts might find it hard to resist once they start
That would indeed make sense, but the government argument to keep surveillance is for the “next” wave…
Governments trust their citizens less and less. It will lead to wholesale institutional failure.
That’s what the Bush people told us. Ha ha ha ha. Everyone one is spied on . You are only anonymous if you are not a “person of interest”. Example, Trump.
The biggest impact is on those who
governrule over us. Since all their secrets are known, they will all be owned. If nothing known, the task is to compromise the person of interest or destroy them. This is why people like me think we have a uni party in DC. The same people call the shots on both sides. Everything moves in one direction with little deviation.What is it you mean by institutional failure?
A cursory examination of General Flynn’s situation should disabuse most people of the neutrality of government surveillance.
Well, at least those people who think what the government did to Flynn was egregious will see the downside of ubiquitous surveillance.
And there is my point: so long as the government hasn’t put a target on your back, yeah, government surveillance is a great tool to keep you safe.
A worthy continuation of this conversation.
We are in the midst of it with FBI, CIA, NSA, universities. The elites of this country are doing a terrible job and have for a couple of decades. All the homeland security legislation was just proof of the level of distrust. It’s not partisan. Both parties are guilty.
Democrats are much much worse
Flynn was the target of Obama and FBI
The Tea Party and Trump are reactions to the uni party in DC, i.e. the deep state, aka the swamp
Ami Ayalon was never indicted, much less convicted and incarcerated. This failure, almost 25 years ago, set the stage in Israel for what the OP laments about the present day. It’s a form of persistent ideological rot — new surveillance tools simply highlight the durability of this rot.
And yes, when I say “ideological,” I mean leftist — to borrow MISTER BITCOIN’s phrasing, Israel’s counterparts to the Democrats are objectively much, much worse.
It is much less effective if it’s voluntary. Clinical public health measures are intrusive and compromise individual liberty.
Some non-clinical ones, too. You can’t put an outhouse in your back yard or a cesspool in your basement. Residential building codes include regulations on how many residents per square foot of space, mandate egress windows and ventilation, and so on. All of these are public health related intrusions on your right to use your property as you see fit.
The zombie wars meme reflects the reality that there are some epidemics that are so bad that it’s reasonable to use massive lethal force to protect the uninfected.
COVID-19 wasn’t that.
The conundrum is that if you switch from locking everyone down to quarantining the infected, it is intrusive to identify and track the infected even as some liberties are regained. And secret police are going to be secret police whenever and wherever they exist. This erodes trust; you are right that reciprocal trust between government and citizens is important.
…or maybe none of those things are factors. The post hoc ergo propter hoc is not necessarily always incorrect (in conclusion, anyway), but it is happening a lot with this pandemic. I strongly suspect that “the outstanding behavior” of citizens has much less of an impact than supposed. But government’s very much want us to behave “outstandingly” (i.e. not question things), and that is deeply concerning, especially in the US.
Governments find it hard to resist any expansion of reach and power once they start. Bureaucracies of all kinds do.
Here is America it’s possible for researchers to track the public’s movement through cellphone data. That’s the basis for estimating social distancing used by one group of epidemiologists.
You may have noticed how if you visit a brick and mortar store you start seeing ads for that company popping up on web sites. They track us through mobile phones, credit cards, web sites and a number of ways. A fairly complete picture of a person can be constructed from such data, and that could be used to tell whether or not they are socially distancing.
Car insurance companies have sold a lot of people on the idea that if they give phone GPS data to the insurance company that they can get a discount for good driving. The insurance company has a complete record of all of people’s car trips that way. Non-essential trips could be easily spotted.
I pay cash at the liquor store because I want no record to be made of the sale with my name attached to it, but they still have the GPS and cellphone data.
If the government wanted to use that data it seems to me they’d have little trouble doing it.
Nobody has anything to hide, right?
Some of us turn off the location services on our phones… more of us should do that.
Thieves have been convicted because they left their cell phones at home when the Deed was done. That was enough proof of illegal intent.
It does not matter much. The phone is still being tracked.
That part made me giggle (through the tears, of course).
I just had a conversation with a judge at my courthouse (not 6 feet apart, neither of us wearing masks). I asked him a question – let us stipulate that covid is worse than the flu (I don’t necessarily believe that, but for the sake of argument, it was stipulated). We have a harm that is X-risk, in the flu. Lots of people get it, some people die. We ask people to wash their hands, cover their coughs, and generally be a bit more careful during flu season. Now we have covid, which is X+1 risk. I don’t think the risk is significantly higher, so I’m only giving it X+1. But at what number are these draconian measures justified? X+1? X+100? We have virtually the same risk-groups, we have a pretty darned similar transmission mode and rate, as far as anyone really knows… but we’ve gone from “accepted part of life” all the way to what in some places amount to martial law, and in other places amounts to a complete elimination of privacy rights, and in virtually all places has resulted in a complete circumvention of the legislative process as all of these measures are dictated.
I’d like the powers that be to explain to me where we draw that line.
Fair enough. I would expect that companies would emerge to meet the demand of consumers who do not wish to be tracked. In the very least, we might expect that cell-phone data gets somewhat lost in the noise, and small comfort as it may be, it is currently illegal to use that information in court. When it comes to things like “contact tracing,” where they want you to put down your contact information at every place you visit, I will expect to see significantly more pushback. Personally, I plan to have a false name/address on hand if our governor declares it a prerequisite to visiting restaurants. If required to show ID, I will not be visiting restaurants. Again, there are many that will hopefully refuse to comply with something like that.
contact tracing may work in Israel or S. Korea
The US population is too big and diverse.
Also, we still haven’t figured out testing. How can you trace if you can’t test properly?
How do you know that Israel is using its military systems to spy on its citizens for the sake of finding out who is carrying the virus? Did they come out and say so? I don’t doubt it, but I am wondering, as well as @zafar comment, how you know? Is this unfolding country by country as we speak? Not talking about ones that already do it like China………
In the US, it’s all being collected. All the time. By the government, position data by our cell phone providers. By Alexa, by your FitBit, your Roomba. Everything collected by corporations can be—often is or will be—sold. If we’re unimportant enough, it’s still too expensive to do something with the data except market stuff to us. If we are suspected of a crime, that changes. Even if the crime is merely to offend someone in power or to know someone who has. If enough power has taken enough offense, a crime will be manufactured against anybody. Just as Gen. Flynn about that.
But who does the manufacturing?
But in a way, (technological means and swearing to protect and defend the Constitution aside,) it has always been like that for people who somehow managed to get in the way of those in power. When the state is lean, secret policemen are too busy dealing with real enemies foreign and domestic to bother with obedient little people. But as the state grows. . .
What’s new is that the technological means available to track violations of Stay In Place. Social distancing. Failure to vaccinate. Because violating those orders makes you an enemy of the Public Health. Or an enemy of The Science. The 97% consensus of All Medical/Climate/Environmental Scientists kind of science, too.
That depends on what your goals are with tracing (or “tracing”) and testing (or “testing.”) The following comports with what I remember of the era: