Dear Conservative Life Coach…

 

1983

Dear Conservative Life Coach,

I’m 23 and just graduated from college and I’ve met the most wonderful girl. Neither one of us believes in sex before marriage so ‘shacking up’ is out of the question. Should I ask her to marry me even though my career is still in its infancy?

Bob in Ohio

Dear Bob,

Absolutely! We know that the way to prosperity is to get married and have children.

CLC

1993

Dear Conservative Life Coach,

I’m 33 and just got a nice promotion at work. My wife and I have been renting but the kids are growing and we’re thinking about buying a home. Should we make the leap?

Bob in Ohio

Dear Bob,

Absolutely! Home ownership is a surefire way to prosperity! Plus home ownership makes for stronger neighborhoods and stronger communities in general. And with all the tax breaks and programs designed for first time buyers there’s never been a better time!

CLC

2005

Dear Conservative Life Coach,

My wife’s father has Alzheimers. We’ve been looking at extended care facilities but neither of us liked what we saw. Should we add a room on to the house or petition the government to expand care to the elderly?

Bob in Ohio

Dear Bob,

First of all, we conservatives know that government is never the solution to any problem. If I were you I’d take out a small loan, build your father-in-law a room and take care of him! Nobody is going to do that better than family. And to encourage and reward good people like you we’re working on providing tax breaks for caregivers.

CLC

2013

Dear Conservative Life Coach,

My oldest just graduated from high school and we’re looking at colleges. Are Federal Student Loans really the way to go?

Bob in Ohio

Dear Bob,

Absolutely! With the changing economy you know your child is going to to have to have at least a Bachelor’s degree to compete in the job market. Besides, we’re working to pass new changes to the Dependent Child Tax Credit that will reward good people like you!

CLC

2017

Dear Conservative Life Coach,

I’ve done everything you told me to do in the past. I’m 57 and farther and farther away from retirement with all the changes in Social Security. Now it seems my company is moving production overseas. All of the tech jobs here in the home office are being filled by H1B visa workers from India. I’m losing my job and my health insurance. I had to refinance the house after the ’08 crash plus I have those additional loans that I took out for the addition for my elderly father-in-law and college loans for both kids. And the real estate market here is pretty depressed. What do I do now?

Trump Voter in Ohio

Dear Ohio,

Why are you asking me? If you voted for Trump you’re obviously not a true conservative. Stop whining and looking to others to solve your problems! You should have thought about this a long time ago.

CLC

2019

Dear Conservative Life Coach,

Screw you.

Angry in Ohio

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  1. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):
    I’d like to see some stats on how many people who bought a home to live in were brought down by the 2008 crash, compared to the number of people who were buying real estate as investments.

    I would add ..bought a home to live in that they could afford…

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  2. Viruscop Inactive
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Bad idea, but the government should subsidize the education and retraining of the journalists. Nobody should have any pretensions that changing a job is like changing toothpaste, and markets never function like they do in Econ 101. The journalists can learn a new trade, and since it is through no fault of their own that they are unemployed in a society that ideally wouldn’t have to choose between technological progress and short-term economic security, it is best for everyone if their education were subsidized.

    I’d say that’s the union’s job. I’d rather my dues went to help unemployed journalists than take money from someone else who had nothing to do with the situation. What sort of retraining are we talking about, though? Anything short of college will probably be insufficient.

    There are coding bootcamps that last about 12 weeks. They could also be sent to a technical school to learn a trade. They can learn a new skill late in life without going to college.

    I doubt they would be able to learn advanced mathematics or engineering at that point in their lives.

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  3. Chris Campion Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    James Of England: If you purchased a home in 1993 and then lived in it, the 2008 crash ought not to have affected you. By the time of the 2017 job loss, the mortgage ought to have mostly been paid off. The median house in the US was worth a little over two and a half times as much in 2017 as in 1993…

    The compassion of statistics. But the median! And guess what? If you stop making payments does the bank have a clause in your mortgage that says “Ok, it’s mostly paid?” And what if your home mortgage is not on the up side of the median? Does it have worth if you can’t sell it?

    Of course it has worth, and of course it can be sold.  Just not at the price you might want.  So you don’t sell it.  Or you do, if it makes sense to do so.

    See how easy that was?

     

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  4. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Viruscop:
    There are coding bootcamps that last about 12 weeks.

    That’s another thing we do bass-akwards in this country. We have private/public funded training programs and THEN we try to find people jobs. If an industry needs trained workers give the training funds to the companies. They can hire the people that pick up the skills quickly and identify the ones who can’t and move them on to acquire another skill.

     

    • #154
  5. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Chris Campion: See how easy that was?

    Everything is easy when it’s not you.

    • #155
  6. Chris Campion Coolidge
    Chris Campion
    @ChrisCampion

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    When we were all at AEI last May Arthur Brooks made an impassioned speech about why it’s important for conservatives to learn how to tell stories in order to advance the cause.

    The “compassionate” responses to this hypothetical shows that many of us are simply incapable of doing that. Instead, the most passionate responses seem to range from “I got my own problems” to the dispassionate “statistically speaking…”

    Based on the observed experience of our inner cities, the only thing worse than not showing compassion for the poor, downtrodden, down on their luck masses is to show them compassion.

    What would *you* have us do?

     

    I guess whatever Albert Brooks tells us to do?

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  7. Viruscop Inactive
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Viruscop:
    There are coding bootcamps that last about 12 weeks.

    That’s another thing we do bass-akwards in this country. We have private/public funded training programs and THEN we try to find people jobs. If an industry needs trained workers give the training funds to the companies. They can hire the people that pick up the skills quickly and identify the ones who can’t and move them on to acquire another skill.

    That sounds awful. If you let the companies decide what should be taught, then they will make classes as narrow as possible so that students only know how to fulfill whatever jobs they need filled. These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics, primarily because they don’t see an immediate need for them and I doubt people whose task it would be to design such courses would understand advanced math or stats.

    Contrary to what conservatives believe, the best and the brightest in quantitative fields tend to not work in industry. They become professors.

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  8. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Chris Campion (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    What would *you* have us do?

    I guess whatever Albert Brooks tells us to do?

    Stay with the group? Don’t go off on your own?

    Image result for Nemo's dad fish

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  9. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Viruscop (View Comment):
    These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics,

    I’m not sure what your problem is.  You already said these sorts of things can’t be taught in 12 weeks.

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  10. Viruscop Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics,

    I’m not sure what your problem is. You already said these sorts of things can’t be taught in 12 weeks.

    I interpreted the comment  to refer to all training at the university level.

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  11. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics,

    I’m not sure what your problem is. You already said these sorts of things can’t be taught in 12 weeks.

    I interpreted the comment to refer to all training at the university level.

    Oh.  I thought it was about the boot camps.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Bad idea, but the government should subsidize the education and retraining of the journalists. Nobody should have any pretensions that changing a job is like changing toothpaste, and markets never function like they do in Econ 101. The journalists can learn a new trade, and since it is through no fault of their own that they are unemployed in a society that ideally wouldn’t have to choose between technological progress and short-term economic security, it is best for everyone if their education were subsidized.

    I’d say that’s the union’s job. I’d rather my dues went to help unemployed journalists than take money from someone else who had nothing to do with the situation. What sort of retraining are we talking about, though? Anything short of college will probably be insufficient.

    There are coding bootcamps that last about 12 weeks. They could also be sent to a technical school to learn a trade. They can learn a new skill late in life without going to college.

    I doubt they would be able to learn advanced mathematics or engineering at that point in their lives.

    After 40+ years of experience, I would say it’s the same with coding.  It’s been my experience that most people can never be good at coding, period, even if they start trying when young.  The older they get, the more unlikely they are to “get” it to any significant – i.e., employable – degree. 

    Plus which, coding has to be one of the most easily-outsourced jobs to ever arise.  To put it simply, however little pay you might be willing to accept to do coding in the US, someone in some other part of the world is willing to do it for less.

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  13. Viruscop Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics,

    I’m not sure what your problem is. You already said these sorts of things can’t be taught in 12 weeks.

    I interpreted the comment to refer to all training at the university level.

    Oh. I thought it was about the boot camps.

    You could be right. Re-reading the comment, I’m not sure what he is referring to.

    • #163
  14. Viruscop Inactive
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Bad idea, but the government should subsidize the education and retraining of the journalists. Nobody should have any pretensions that changing a job is like changing toothpaste, and markets never function like they do in Econ 101. The journalists can learn a new trade, and since it is through no fault of their own that they are unemployed in a society that ideally wouldn’t have to choose between technological progress and short-term economic security, it is best for everyone if their education were subsidized.

    I’d say that’s the union’s job. I’d rather my dues went to help unemployed journalists than take money from someone else who had nothing to do with the situation. What sort of retraining are we talking about, though? Anything short of college will probably be insufficient.

    There are coding bootcamps that last about 12 weeks. They could also be sent to a technical school to learn a trade. They can learn a new skill late in life without going to college.

    I doubt they would be able to learn advanced mathematics or engineering at that point in their lives.

    After 40+ years of experience, I would say it’s the same with coding. It’s been my experience that most people can never be good at coding, period, even if they start trying when young. The older they get, the more unlikely they are to “get” it to any significant – i.e., employable – degree.

    Plus which, coding has to be one of the most easily-outsourced jobs to ever arise. To put it simply, however little pay you might be willing to accept to do coding in the US, someone in some other part of the world is willing to do it for less.

    I thought the whole point of the coding bootcamps was that anyone can learn it well enough to get a decent job.

    • #164
  15. The Reticulator Member
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

     

    That sounds awful. If you let the companies decide what should be taught, then they will make classes as narrow as possible so that students only know how to fulfill whatever jobs they need filled. These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics, primarily because they don’t see an immediate need for them and I doubt people whose task it would be to design such courses would not understand advanced math or stats.

    The alternative is to have government programs that train people for non-existent jobs, or for jobs for which they’d never qualify. When it’s a government “program” it doesn’t work out well either way.

     

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  16. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Conservatives: “You’re a fool for trusting the government!”

    Also Conservatives: “Trust this government retraining program.”

    • #166
  17. Viruscop Inactive
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

     

    That sounds awful. If you let the companies decide what should be taught, then they will make classes as narrow as possible so that students only know how to fulfill whatever jobs they need filled. These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics, primarily because they don’t see an immediate need for them and I doubt people whose task it would be to design such courses would not understand advanced math or stats.

    The alternative is to have government programs that train people for non-existent jobs, or for jobs for which they’d never qualify. When it’s a government “program” it doesn’t work out well either way.

     

    The alternative is to have universities continue to train students in quantitative fields as they do right now.

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  18. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Contrary to what conservatives believe, the best and the brightest in quantitative fields tend to not work in industry. They become professors.

    Or work at a hedge fund.

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Contrary to what conservatives believe, the best and the brightest in quantitative fields tend to not work in industry. They become professors.

    Or work at a hedge fund.

    Theft and what is basically non-productivity has been reward like crazy in the last 20 years or so. People want Trump or Bernie to fix it, or get them in on the action. That is just the reality.

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  20. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

     

    That sounds awful. If you let the companies decide what should be taught, then they will make classes as narrow as possible so that students only know how to fulfill whatever jobs they need filled. These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics, primarily because they don’t see an immediate need for them and I doubt people whose task it would be to design such courses would not understand advanced math or stats.

    The alternative is to have government programs that train people for non-existent jobs, or for jobs for which they’d never qualify. When it’s a government “program” it doesn’t work out well either way.

     

    The alternative is to have universities continue to train students in quantitative fields as they do right now.

    This discussion reminds me of the local public school district’s proposal in the 1990s to rework the high school curriculum and scheduling system. The proponents would explain how people can no longer expect to work in the same job their entire life. Their solution? Switch to providing courses in narrower skills and specialties.

    You could try to explain the obvious disconnect to them, and they acted as though you were speaking in a foreign language. And at the next public meeting they’d go through the same routine.

    Some people, including the trainers, are not trainable.  

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  21. Viruscop Inactive
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    @Viruscop

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Contrary to what conservatives believe, the best and the brightest in quantitative fields tend to not work in industry. They become professors.

    Or work at a hedge fund.

    The only guy who I can think of that was probably amongst the best in his class and went on to work at a hedge fund is this guy.

    I’m sure there are more, but he is the most famous.

    • #171
  22. Viruscop Inactive
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

     

    That sounds awful. If you let the companies decide what should be taught, then they will make classes as narrow as possible so that students only know how to fulfill whatever jobs they need filled. These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics, primarily because they don’t see an immediate need for them and I doubt people whose task it would be to design such courses would not understand advanced math or stats.

    The alternative is to have government programs that train people for non-existent jobs, or for jobs for which they’d never qualify. When it’s a government “program” it doesn’t work out well either way.

     

    The alternative is to have universities continue to train students in quantitative fields as they do right now.

    This discussion reminds me of the local public school district’s proposal in the 1990s to rework the high school curriculum and scheduling system. The proponents would explain how people can no longer expect to work in the same job their entire life. Their solution? Switch to providing courses in narrower skills and specialties.

    You could try to explain the obvious disconnect to them, and they acted as though you were speaking in a foreign language. And at the next public meeting they’d go through the same routine.

    Some people, including the trainers, are not trainable.

    So what happened?

    • #172
  23. The Reticulator Member
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

     

    That sounds awful. If you let the companies decide what should be taught, then they will make classes as narrow as possible so that students only know how to fulfill whatever jobs they need filled. These companies can’t be trusted to design classes in advanced mathematics or statistics, primarily because they don’t see an immediate need for them and I doubt people whose task it would be to design such courses would not understand advanced math or stats.

    The alternative is to have government programs that train people for non-existent jobs, or for jobs for which they’d never qualify. When it’s a government “program” it doesn’t work out well either way.

     

    The alternative is to have universities continue to train students in quantitative fields as they do right now.

    This discussion reminds me of the local public school district’s proposal in the 1990s to rework the high school curriculum and scheduling system. The proponents would explain how people can no longer expect to work in the same job their entire life. Their solution? Switch to providing courses in narrower skills and specialties.

    You could try to explain the obvious disconnect to them, and they acted as though you were speaking in a foreign language. And at the next public meeting they’d go through the same routine.

    Some people, including the trainers, are not trainable.

    So what happened?

    Our youngest graduated in the early 2000s. I washed my hands of the whole business, and no longer kept up. They did get their block scheduling program adopted, in a modified form, but our son graduated by the time it was much implemented.

    Somewhere in the proposal process, though, I had been in touch with a local newspaper reporter, so a member of our opposition group asked me to question her about something she had reported based on information from the Superintendent.  I don’t remember what it was about, but I do remember her email reply (possibly in slightly paraphrased form): “I had no reason to question what he said.” That Superintendent didn’t last much longer, and the new guy seemed to be an improvement. At least he was more politic in dealing with the public. But by then I was paying less attention. 

    The block scheduling itself didn’t necessarily mean that they would teach narrower specialties, but the concept was presented as a package. All during the years during which I was involved with the local schools there was constant pressure from certain teachers and parents to offer narrower vocational or professional specialty training to students. I had been on a couple of curriculum committees so had gotten used to carrying on my end of the argument, but the proposals for training for soon-to-be-obsolete jobs or too-narrow specialties never let up. Training for narrower computer programming was always an item. The strongest proponents were people who knew the least about computers.  My own experience in the field, as well as that of other computer professionals on our committee, was that people who were successful at it were driven to learn, and that while schools could be helpful and supportive, it was just not the sort of thing best taught as part of a school curriculum.

    But there were also the parents who would say, “My daughter is going into psychology and why don’t we offer any courses in psychology? Or, My daughter is going into veterinary medicine, and why don’t we offer any courses in veterinary medicine?” The problem was not just the educational establishment, some members of which had more sense than some of the more highly educated parents. (There were a lot of well-off professionals in our school district, though that has changed somewhat now that the pharmaceutical industry, which was a big employer, has consolidated.)

    I’m a big fan of providing a broad education in liberal arts and math & science for almost everyone, and letting the specialization, whether vocational or professional, come later than the high school years. But a lot of nuance is needed, with details to be worked out with give-and-take. It’s not an either/or sort of thing. But when new programs are being proposed, there is no more room for nuance. Proposing public programs is like going to war. Then it’s time for everyone to choose sides, and there is no room for neutrals and nuance. 

     

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m a big fan of providing a broad education in liberal arts and math & science for almost everyone, and letting the specialization, whether vocational or professional, come later than the high school years. But a lot of nuance is needed, with details to be worked out with give-and-take. It’s not an either/or sort of thing. But when new programs are being proposed, there is no more room for nuance. Proposing public programs is like going to war. Then it’s time for everyone to choose sides, and there is no room for neutrals and nuance. 

    I agree with all of this. If they privatized all of it except the funding, the aggregate value would go way up. Voucher-ize all of it. 

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  25. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    Perhaps I missed it in the comments and explanations, but there’s coding, and there’s coding. One is computer code, which requires learning languages, and the other is data-entry for government / insurance billing. If you hav someone who sits at a computer all day assigning specific numbers to specific procedures to generate an invoice, that’s coding. It doesn’t require Fortran.

    • #175
  26. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Perhaps I missed it in the comments and explanations, but there’s coding, and there’s coding. One is computer code, which requires learning languages, and the other is data-entry for government / insurance billing. If you hav someone who sits at a computer all day assigning specific numbers to specific procedures to generate an invoice, that’s coding. It doesn’t require Fortran.

    Somehow, I don’t think that’s what the 12-week “coding camps” are about.  But the kind of coding you describe is also easily outsourced at much lower cost.

    There was a guy I knew years ago, who worked in grocery stores, stocking shelves etc, and actually got a pretty decent income from it.  He expressed an interest in learning programming (perhaps a better term to use than “coding”) and I suggested he “not give up his day job” because the kind of work he was doing – and raising his family on – was not likely to be outsourced to Bombay or Manila any time soon.  Unlike programming, OR “coding.”

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  27. Hank Rhody, Acting on Emotion Contributor
    Hank Rhody, Acting on Emotion
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Perhaps I missed it in the comments and explanations, but there’s coding, and there’s coding. One is computer code, which requires learning languages, and the other is data-entry for government / insurance billing. If you hav someone who sits at a computer all day assigning specific numbers to specific procedures to generate an invoice, that’s coding. It doesn’t require Fortran.

    Okay, I’ve never understood the question of job retraining to refer to anything else than programming. At least when it uses the word ‘code’.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Bad idea, but the government should subsidize the education and retraining of the journalists. Nobody should have any pretensions that changing a job is like changing toothpaste, and markets never function like they do in Econ 101. The journalists can learn a new trade, and since it is through no fault of their own that they are unemployed in a society that ideally wouldn’t have to choose between technological progress and short-term economic security, it is best for everyone if their education were subsidized.

    I’d say that’s the union’s job. I’d rather my dues went to help unemployed journalists than take money from someone else who had nothing to do with the situation. What sort of retraining are we talking about, though? Anything short of college will probably be insufficient.

    There are coding bootcamps that last about 12 weeks. They could also be sent to a technical school to learn a trade. They can learn a new skill late in life without going to college.

    I doubt they would be able to learn advanced mathematics or engineering at that point in their lives.

    After 40+ years of experience, I would say it’s the same with coding. It’s been my experience that most people can never be good at coding, period, even if they start trying when young. The older they get, the more unlikely they are to “get” it to any significant – i.e., employable – degree.

    Plus which, coding has to be one of the most easily-outsourced jobs to ever arise. To put it simply, however little pay you might be willing to accept to do coding in the US, someone in some other part of the world is willing to do it for less.

    I thought the whole point of the coding bootcamps was that anyone can learn it well enough to get a decent job.

    If they’re actually supposed to be teaching programming type “coding,” not the kind of medical-billing-etc “coding” that James describes, then frankly I’d have to think they’re lying.  Or they just don’t understand enough about it themselves, to realize when they’ve failed.

    Based on my experience, this article describes the problem very well, and many of the comments are also quite enlightening (as well as entertaining).

    https://blog.codinghorror.com/separating-programming-sheep-from-non-programming-goats/

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  29. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Hank Rhody, Acting on Emotion (View Comment):
    Okay, I’ve never understood the question of job retraining to refer to anything else than programming. At least when it uses the word ‘code’.

    You can take courses in medical coding, of which there are two types, diagnostic coding and billing coding.  And since computer billing has been enshrined in law, it won’t be going anywhere fast, though it can change year to year.

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  30. Viruscop Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):
    Bad idea, but the government should subsidize the education and retraining of the journalists. Nobody should have any pretensions that changing a job is like changing toothpaste, and markets never function like they do in Econ 101. The journalists can learn a new trade, and since it is through no fault of their own that they are unemployed in a society that ideally wouldn’t have to choose between technological progress and short-term economic security, it is best for everyone if their education were subsidized.

    I’d say that’s the union’s job. I’d rather my dues went to help unemployed journalists than take money from someone else who had nothing to do with the situation. What sort of retraining are we talking about, though? Anything short of college will probably be insufficient.

    There are coding bootcamps that last about 12 weeks. They could also be sent to a technical school to learn a trade. They can learn a new skill late in life without going to college.

    I doubt they would be able to learn advanced mathematics or engineering at that point in their lives.

    After 40+ years of experience, I would say it’s the same with coding. It’s been my experience that most people can never be good at coding, period, even if they start trying when young. The older they get, the more unlikely they are to “get” it to any significant – i.e., employable – degree.

    Plus which, coding has to be one of the most easily-outsourced jobs to ever arise. To put it simply, however little pay you might be willing to accept to do coding in the US, someone in some other part of the world is willing to do it for less.

    I thought the whole point of the coding bootcamps was that anyone can learn it well enough to get a decent job.

    If they’re actually supposed to be teaching programming type “coding,” not the kind of medical-billing-etc “coding” that James describes, then frankly I’d have to think they’re lying. Or they just don’t understand enough about it themselves, to realize when they’ve failed.

    Based on my experience, this article describes the problem very well, and many of the comments are also quite enlightening (as well as entertaining).

    https://blog.codinghorror.com/separating-programming-sheep-from-non-programming-goats/

    The link is broken.

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