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Elizabeth Warren’s DNA Test Contradicts Her Previous Stories About Native American Ancestry
Elizabeth Warren recently released the results of a DNA test which she claims proves that she is of Native American descent.
The claim in the report is that it is likely that Elizabeth Warren has a Native American ancestor from 8 generations ago. If we assume that a generation is 25 years, and given that Warren was born in 1949, that would this Native American ancestor was born sometime around 1749, well before the founding.
Let’s assume for a moment that this analysis is correct. How does this square with previous claims about Warren’s heritage? Her brother said in 2012 “[Our] grandfather is part Delaware, a little bitty bit, way back, and [our] grandmother is part Cherokee.”
If that’s the case, wouldn’t wouldn’t we expect to see a lot more Indian DNA, and much more recently? It implies that there should be Indian DNA as late as 4 generations back, which is significantly outside the range (between 6 and 10 generations) estimated by the DNA analysis as to when she had a Native American ancestor.
How does she explain this contradiction? I mean, either brother is wrong about whether his grandmother is Cherokee, or the conclusion of the analysis of the DNA test is wrong about when her Native American ancestor lived. If the test actually demonstrates that her brother is wrong about what she said, then wasn’t she still wrong when she claimed to be a Native American, since she used that story as the basis for her claim?
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Warren is at least 6 to 10 times the living relic that any of those Neanderthals were.
My great grandmother’s name was Keziah Ann Daniel, (have a photo of her) born 1832, died about 1870, and her parents were Ezekiel Daniel, Jr. born about 1806, died before 1858, and Elizabeth Armistead, born 1799. She was of the famous Armistead families, with an ancestor fighting in the Rev. War.
Ezekiel Sr, was born 1787 in SC, died 1858 in MS. He married a lady named “Mary” sometime about 1803 in SC or GA and had 9 children by her. After she died he married twice more and had 6 more children.
He left a will in Lauderdale Co. MS, and named all of his 15 children, 2 of his children that had predeceased him were named, and some grandchildren.
We do not know who this Mary was. But considering the time and place, I suspect she was Native American. One of the aspects of the time, if a Native converted to Christianity they assumed a “Christian” name so we may never find out who she was. SC and GA was Cherokee country until they were banished. If she was Cherokee, then I am only 5 generations from Mary and far more Native than Warren. It never occurred to me to use that connection to advance in life.
Hey you can get the test done. At 5 generations you should come out to 1/32nd native American, which I think was the original claim on Warrens part. I recall making fun of her back then for it. Who would have known she would be 30 times less native American than we initially thought?
Legal Insurrection has been all over this:
Quoting the Boston Globe
LI: That last sentence, about O.C. Sarah Smith, is particularly galling. The claim in 2012 that Smith was Native American came from someone else, not Warren. And it was retracted by The Boston Globe, yet it is repeated in this article.
The Globe acknowledges how weak the DNA findings are:
So the databases mostly use South and Central American ancestry.
But:
So:
And:
Although for the pedantic, that’s 2 X chromosomes.
I don’t have any faith in the DNA companies. With 3 sets of identical triplets, and one set of quadruplets, and they get it wrong, I have a hesitation to hand out money. If you are into genealogy at all, you know it gets complicated and you cannot depend on stories passed down.
The Keziah Daniel in my post married James Newton Menasco, Jr. 1835 died 1908, in March 1857. She named her son, my grandfather, Daniel Boone M., claiming her grandmother was the daughter of Daniel Boone and the Shawnee girl that Chief Black Fish gave to Daniel Boone as a wife when he was held captive. There is a 7 year period where Daniel Boone refused to talk about to any of his family or biographers. Keziah so believed this story as her sister, Angeline married to James Newton M.’s brother William, also named her first born son Daniel Boone, but he changed it to Daniel Green. The story gets more complicated as the girl child was adopted an the Armistead family member. John Armistead’s wife was Keziah Anderson, and it was an Anderson family member who adopted the child. My mother and I spent some 30 years researching this family and never did discover just who “Mary” was. Of course, that was in the days prior to computers and on-line searches. By the time we started researching my grandfather had died in 1942, and we only have my mother’s memories as a base for information. If the story is true, then I am not of Cherokee descent but Shawnee. The Shawnee Tribal community claims to know nothing about this story.
Makes a wonderful and interesting story though, doesn’t it?
You can smoke out your progressive friends on their racial views with this one:
“Your choice: Would you rather your children live under a government that has no interest in their bloodline; or under a government that is deeply interested in their bloodline?”
The next act in this ridiculous play will be an announcement to the media that the company made a mistake and sent her the wrong report…
What? That’s totally a Trump move. Its a braze disregard for the truth. Excusing Trump because he does not premeditate his lies seems rather weak to me, almost like writing off Joe Biden’s oddities as goofy quirks. Frankly I think the two engage in exactly the same kind of self serving lies about their own histories. Trump lies about being self made because it pleases him to think of himself that way, she lies about having had oppressed Indian ancestors who suffered racism for the same psychological reasons. Each is crafting their own personal narrative to fit their idealized vision of themselves and their own history.
Trump did not lie that Big Fred gave Trump his first $1 Million and told The Donald to go make a name for himself …. Trump simply did not offer up the part where Daddy helped him along the way with loans and access to credit which would never be available to schmoes like us who are not Fred Trump’s son.
And most certainly, in Trump’s telling of the self made man story, he just happened not to mention the financial windfall which occurs to any direct descendant of a very wealthy dad …. which is …. when Dad dies you and your siblings get all dad’s stuff (ie; vast real estate holdings and cash/investments, etc.)
So Trump did actually did make a quite a “name” for himself (good or bad is in the eye of the Trump story listener), and Donald Trump’s net worth is in fact vastly greater than Fred’s. The question is, would Trump’s net worth be even greater if Donald just kept Fred’s real estate holding’s alone and went from there (ie: did not have massive casino losses in Atlantic City, to name only one of many unsuccessful Trump business ventures) …. Not easy to measure …
But one thing is a fact certain Trump is President and we are not ….
I have done a lot of Ancestry stuff, but won’t do the DNA tests. It’s all done by comparing to databases that are not necessarily reliable. There are lots of stories/articles that demonstrate how unreliable the tests are.
We have a disgusting set of “leaders” in this country, no matter which party you look at.
When Mrs. Freeven and I rescued our pup from the Humane Society, we were curious enough to pay $80 for a DNA test. We sent a swab and a check to the University of Washington (I think it was), which we’d read was the most reliable in this area. The report came back that our mutt was 70% Tibetan Mastiff, along with a smattering of various other, mostly large, breeds. Now our Piper weighed about 13 pounds and a Tibetan Mastiff can easily top 100 pounds. I guess it’s possible, but I’m pretty sure we wasted $80.
LOL, think you did waste your $80. The reason I haven’t bothered with a DNA.
I’m not excusing Trump. That’s one reason I didn’t even want to make this argument.
Even then, there’s a difference between brazenly lying off the top of your head, and producing a campaign video in which you very deliberately stage a conference call where you make a giant production out of lying, when the very thing you are saying itself proves that the spin you’re giving is a lie.
You might be right that the lies are self serving, about the crafting of the narrative. But how and why they do it matters, because it tells you under what conditions they will continue to do it. In Trump’s case, he just does it out of narcissistic reflex. In Warren’s case, she does it as a very conscious, planned attempt to deceive you.
Also, the planning matters, because the success or failure of premeditiation tells us how good a candidate is at planning anything, which gives us insight into what their governance is like. Trump is clearly awful at planning because he does everything as reflex; his administration succeeds in part because other people are better at planning than he is, and because his reflexiveness sometimes gives him advantages traditional politicians don’t benefit from. Warren and her campaign planned this whole thing out carefully, and none of them had the awareness to realize it would backfire this spectacularly.
Comments at Legal Insurrection note Warren’s ideological consistency. She supports open borders and opposes US efforts to keep people out of the country that the US does not want in the country; she claims the right to membership (citizenship?) in a nation that has stated that her claim is hostile to its interests:
Also her impeccable honesty: