Corrie ten Boom: The Strongest Faith

 

Corrie ten Boom.

As we’ve seen in other posts, the members of the Ten Boom family lived out their convictions. Whether it was simply refusing to give up when faced with life-altering circumstances or refusing to abandon their Jewish neighbors and friends during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands, they refused to take the easy way and just drift along — especially not the youngest, not even when no one would have thought less of her if she had.

(If you’re interested, my posts about Casper ten BoomCor ten Boom, and their daughter Betsie can be found by clicking on their names.)


Background Information

Corrie ten Boom was born in Amsterdam in 1892 to Casper and Cor ten Boom. She was the youngest of five children – one of whom died in infancy. Shortly after her birth, Casper moved his family back to Harlaam where he had grown up and took over his father’s watch shop.

Unlike her sister Betsie who had decided from a young age that she would never marry, Corrie did have dreams of marrying one day and having a family of her own. When she was 24, she thought she’d found someone to share her life with, but it didn’t work out. After that, she was content to remain single and at home with her father and her sister Betsie.

As with her sister Betsie, remaining at home didn’t mean being an isolated old spinster for Corrie. While Betsie took care of the house, she went to work with her father in his watch shop and eventually became the first licensed female watchmaker in the Netherlands. Along with her father and sister, she was a foster parent to children of foreign missionaries who were sent back home by their families for education. Along with Betsie, she organized social clubs for teenage girls in the community. And of course, there were the Jews.

During the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands, Corrie – along with her father and sister – worked with the Dutch Underground. For two years, they helped Jews find hiding places, even keeping some in their own home. During this time it was Corrie who found most of the resources they needed to do this – different people to help them do different things. It was an activity that would eventually cost her dearly, but it was one she never regretted.

On February 28, 1944, life changed forever for the Ten Booms.

That day, Corrie was in bed with the flu. A man showed up demanding to speak only to her. Corrie dragged herself out of bed and went to see what he wanted. He claimed that he and his wife lived in another town and had been hiding Jews. He said that his wife had been arrested; however, there was a policeman who was willing to release her for 600 guilders. If he couldn’t come up with the money, she would be taken to Amsterdam and questioned. If that happened, she would probably reveal everything she knew. He had heard that the Ten Booms had resources. Could they help him come up with the money he needed?

In her book The Hiding Place, Corrie says that something about the man gave her pause, but she didn’t want to take the risk that her concerns might be unfounded. She told the man to come back later for the money. After he left, she sent someone to the bank then went back to bed.

Around 5 PM, the Germans came. As the raid began, six people fled to the secret space that the Ten Booms had built in Corrie’s room – four Jews who were living there at the time and two young men who worked with the Dutch Underground movement. The space was about eight feet long, two feet wide, and 10 feet high. It was accessed through a sliding panel in Corrie’s closet. After waiting for several hours in order to catch as many people as they could, the Ten Booms were arrested along with about 30 other people. The hiding place went undetected; and 47 hours later, the people in it were released by other underground workers.

Just before they were separated at the prison they were eventually taken to, Corrie yelled to her father, “God be with you!” “And with you, my daughters,” he replied. Ten days later, Casper passed away, never seeing his family again.

For two months, Betsie and Corrie were kept in separate prison cells, without contact (Corrie alone; Betsie with other women). They were reunited near the beginning of June when they were transferred to Vught, a German concentration camp in the Netherlands. Three months later, they were transferred to Ravensbruck, a concentration camp in Germany.

In Ravensbruck, Betsie’s health deteriorated quickly. She died in the hospital there a couple of weeks before Christmas. A few days after Christmas, Corrie was released and allowed to return home. (Corrie later found out that her release was due to a clerical error. The following week, all of the women in her age group were taken to the gas chambers.)

In June of that year (1945), six months after her release, Corrie’s first book was published there in her home country — A Prisoner and Yet. Many more would follow.

The following year, at the age of 54, Corrie began what she would do for the next 30 years of her life — traveling around the world, sharing both the Gospel and her own story. In 1967, she was honored at the Yad Vashem in Israel and recognized as one of the Righteous Among the Nations.

When she was 85, the self-described “tramp for the Lord” settled down in Placentia, CA, where, six years later — on her 91st birthday — she was finally reunited with the family she had spent so many years living without.


Corrie’s Faith in Action

In her book The Hiding Place, Corrie says:

Side by side, in the sanctuary of God’s fleas (they were in a flea-infested barracks in Ravensbruck at the time), Betsie and I ministered the Word of God to all in the room. We sat by deathbeds that became doorways of heaven. We watched women who had lost everything grow rich in hope. The knitters of Barracks 28 became the praying heart of the vast diseased body that was Ravensbruck, interceding for all in the camp – guards, under Betsie’s prodding, as well as prisoners. We prayed beyond the concrete walls for the healing of Germany, of Europe, of the world – as Mama had once done from the prison of a crippled body. (Corrie and Betsie’s mother suffered a severe stroke about 3 years before she died, leaving her unable to talk and barely able to move.)

A few weeks later, Betsie was dead; and Corrie was back in the Netherlands, ready to see where God would lead her next.

At first, she tried to get back into the resistance work, but she soon realized that that wasn’t what God wanted her to do anymore.

I stood thankfully on the sidewalk until my knees stopped knocking. If I had ever needed proof that I had no boldness or cleverness of my own, I had it now. Whatever bravery or skill I had ever shown were gifts of God – sheer loans from Him of the talent needed to do a job. And it was clear, from the absence of such skills now, that this was no longer His work for me.

I crept meekly back to the Beje. (The name of her family’s house.) And it was at that moment, as I stepped into the alley, that I knew what it was I was looking for.

It was Betsie.

It was Betsie I had missed every moment of every day since I ran to the hospital window and found that she had left Ravensbruck forever. It was Betsie I had thought to find back here in Haarlem, here in the watch shop and in the home she loved.

But she was not here. And now for the first time since her death, I remembered. “We must tell people, Corrie. We must tell them what we learned ….”

That very week I began to speak. If this was God’s new work for me, then He would provide the courage and the words. Through the streets and suburbs of Haarlem, I bumped on my bicycle rims (the tires had been confiscated years before), bringing the message that joy runs deeper than despair. …. In churches and club rooms and private homes in those desperate days, I told the truths Betsie and I had learned in Ravensbruck.

Corrie had found what God was calling her to do.


In June of that year, Corrie wrote a letter to the man who had betrayed her family to the Gestapo. He had been arrested and sentenced to death for what he had done. (Corrie’s family was only one of many he had betrayed.) In the letter, she both forgave him for what he had done to her family and shared the Gospel with him, telling him to: “Remember that the Lord Jesus bore your sins, too, on the cross. If you accept that and want to be His child, you will be saved for eternity.”

The following year, forgiveness came a little harder. She had just finished giving a talk at a church service in Germany when she saw him — not the man who had betrayed her family, but another one. He came up to her and wanted to shake her hand. In her book, Tramp for the Lord, Corrie says:

The man … had been a guard — one of the most cruel guards.

Now he was in front of me, hand thrust out: “A fine message Fraulein! How good it is to know that, as you say, all our sins are at the bottom of the sea! You mentioned Ravensbruck in your talk. I was a guard there. But since that time, I have become a Christian. I know that God has forgiven me for the cruel things I did there, but I would like to hear it from your lips as well. Fraulein, will you forgive me?”

And I stood there — I whose sins had again and again been forgiven — could not forgive. Betsie had died in that place — could he erase her slow, terrible death simply for the asking?

It could not have been many seconds that he stood there — hand held out. But to me, it seemed hours as I wrestled with the most difficult thing I had ever had to do.

For I had to do it — I knew that. Jesus Christ had died for this man; was I going to ask for more?

She tried to shake the man’s hand and forgive him, but found that she couldn’t.

Forgiveness is not an emotion — I knew that too. Forgiveness is an act of the will, and the will can function regardless of the temperature of the heart.

Jesus, help me! I prayed silently. I can lift my hand. I can do that much. You supply the feeling. 

And so she raised her hand — “woodenly” and “mechanically” is the way she described it. But she raised it.

I thrust my hand into the one stretched out to me. And as I did, an incredible thing took place. The current started in my shoulder, raced down my, arm sprang into our joined hands. And then this healing warmth seemed to flood my whole being, bringing tears to my eyes.

“I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart.”

For a long moment, we grasped each other’s hands, the former guard and the former prisoner. I had never known God’s love so intensely as I did then. But even so, I realized it was not my love. I had tried, and did not have the power. It was the power of the Holy Spirit.


For the next 30 years, Corrie traveled the globe, telling her story and sharing the Gospel. She called herself “a tramp for the Lord.” And when I say talked and traveled, I don’t mean a little here and a little there. I mean a schedule that would leave most people begging for relief. For example:

  • In June of 1946, Corrie was 54 years old. She recorded in some notes at the time: “In the last 14 days, I have held 24 talks, four newspaper interviews, and a radio interview.”
  • In 1950, she went to Bermuda where she spoke 20 times in one week.
  • On her 60th birthday, Corrie made her first visit to Japan. On her way there, she spent four days in Honolulu where she spoke 16 times. She stayed in Japan for nine months before traveling elsewhere.
  • At 64, she spoke 85 times in Hawaii alone over the course of a month.
  • At 65, she joined up with a group that was doing revival meetings in Australia. She wrote someone at the time saying, “[We] hold campaigns of one or two weeks’ duration… Our schedule is full. Three meetings a day is the regular program, and often there is no free day between the campaigns.” She stayed with the group for a little over a year.
  • At 71, she spent six weeks in an apartment — the first time in 16 years she had stayed in the same home that long.
  • Her 75th birthday found her working with a missionary in war-torn Vietnam.
  • At 81 she spent time working in the United States and the Netherlands Antilles. She also spoke at the Billy Graham Crusade in Atlanta, GA.
  • At 84, she spent seven months working in Switzerland, Canada, and the United States — 16 cities in the US alone, from Honolulu to New York and several places in between.

Shortly before she turned 85, Corrie settled in a house in Placentia, CA. Her international traveling days were over, but her work was not.

For the next couple of years, she continued to speak in various places in the States. She also wrote books and made teaching/witnessing films with Billy Graham’s organization. She was even given a headdress by CHIEF (an acronym for Christian Hope Indian Eskimo Fellowship) and welcomed into their tribes. Corrie may have put down roots of a sort, but she wasn’t spending her time just sitting in a rocking chair.


At 86, Corrie suffered a stroke and lost most of her ability to communicate. The following year, she suffered a second stroke and lost the use of her right arm and leg. The year after that, a third stroke left her bedridden.

In her book, The Five Silent Years of Corrie ten Boom, Pam Rosewell Moore (who was Corrie’s companion at the time) wrote:

There had been a tremendous change in her way of life, one that could crush the spirit – but that had not happened. She was living for God. I could see no difference in the attitude of this weak and silent Tante Corrie (Tante is the Dutch word for “aunt”) to that of the strong speaker whom I had joined nearly three years earlier. She served Him then; she was serving Him now. Her attitude said to me, “Since this suffering has come my way, I will go through it with the Lord with the same resolution I needed when I was well.”

She had served Him in her youth; now she was serving Him in her old age. She had served Him in strength; now she was serving Him in weakness…. A new awe and respect for the preciousness of human life came into our thinking. God had made mankind in His own image…. Whether young, old, strong, weak, well, ill, she [Corrie] was equally precious in His sight. His view of her had not changed although in the eyes of an achievement-oriented society, she may have lost her usefulness.

For three years, Corrie lay bed-ridden. Throughout that time, whenever people came to visit her, they left with a sense of being loved and cherished.

Finally, on the night of her 91st birthday, the Lord called Corrie home. Her journey was finally complete.


In my earlier post about Betsie, I said that Corrie probably considered her sister’s faith to be stronger than her own. So why have I called Corrie’s faith the strongest? Because she’s the one who had to continue living.

Her father’s faith was strong and would have undoubtedly survived being tested in a concentration camp had that been asked of him. But it wasn’t. Betsie’s faith was perhaps a bit stronger than her father’s, having been refined by the trials of living in both Vught and Ravensbruck. It would have undoubtedly survived what came next had she been released and given time to live. But she wasn’t. Corrie, though, was asked to do both. She was asked to experience life in a concentration camp, and she was asked to continue living afterward. For the next 40 years, she was asked to walk the road of faith – alone in a way, since those she had been closest to were dead.

There were plenty of fears and frustrations during the years she tramped for the Lord. There were even times of health concerns and hospital stays. At one point, she even considered calling it quits and settling down quietly back home in the Netherlands. But she didn’t. She never gave up. In one way or another, Corrie kept on tramping for the Lord until He called her home. That’s why I call her faith the strongest of the three.


My Sources and Further Information

The Countries Corrie Visited – (she visited many of these more than once over the years – some of them several times)

Argentina, Australia, Bermuda, Borneo, Brazil, Burundi, Canada, Congo, Cuba, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, England, Ethiopia, Finland, Formosa, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles, New Zealand, Philippines, Poland, Russia, Rwanda, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Uganda, United States, Uzbekistan, Vietnam

Web Articles

Books

Videos

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Wow once more. The story of meeting the guard later was something else.


    Well, with these three stories, you certainly brought a strong end to the month and the theme of Feats of Strength.

    This conversation is part of our Group Writing Series. Next month’s theme will be The Course of Wisdom. While you may not have a story like the above, perhaps you have a story about how you gained a bit of wisdom or how someone else encountered wisdom that you would like to share. Our schedule and sign-up sheet is available and waiting for you to grace it and pick a day to share your wisdom.

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  2. MarciN Member
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    This is a powerful story of faith. I cannot thank you enough for the work you have put into sharing it with us. I am very grateful. 

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  3. JoelB Member
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    As a young person, I recall the pastor of our small church telling us to be sure to come to church next Sunday. There would be a special surprise, but he could not say what it was. The following Sunday, we had Corrie Ten Boom speak from our pulpit. She spoke of how when the Lord forgives, he throws our sins into the depths of the sea and posts a sign that says ( spoken in her Dutch accent) “No Fishin'”

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  4. Skyler Coolidge
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    “I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart.”

     

    I’m sorry.  I just do not respect this way of thinking.  The man murdered other people and she thinks she can forgive him?  What penance has he done?  Does she think all of those dead prisoners also forgive him?

    I promise you, if someone tortures me, I’d much rather other people not forgive him.  This man was old enough to know better and he should be punished severely.  There is no excuse.  

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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Wow once more. The story of meeting the guard later was something else.


    Well, with these three stories, you certainly brought a strong end to the month and the theme of Feats of Strength.

    I don’t know if it was a strong end or not, but it was an end. :)

    And I agree about the story of her meeting the former guard. I seriously doubt I could have done what she did. Even sharing a lot of her views about God and forgiveness, I seriously doubt I could have done it – at least not done it and meant it.

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    MarciN (View Comment):

    This is a powerful story of faith. I cannot thank you enough for the work you have put into sharing it with us. I am very grateful.

    It is a powerful story of faith. I’ve never forgotten it ever since I read it back in high school – which is more years ago than I care to admit to. Knowing someone else was inspired by her story makes the work worth it. Thank you for letting me know that. I appreciate it.

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    JoelB (View Comment):

    As a young person, I recall the pastor of our small church telling us to be sure to come to church next Sunday. There would be a special surprise, but he could not say what it was. The following Sunday, we had Corrie Ten Boom speak from our pulpit. She spoke of how when the Lord forgives, he throws our sins into the depths of the sea and posts a sign that says ( spoken in her Dutch accent) “No Fishin’”

    Yes! I remember reading that analogy in one of her books that I read. (I think it was Tramp for the Lord, but I’m not sure. I read several.) I never heard Corrie speak, but I did enjoy reading some of the books she wrote. They definitely gave me things to think about. 

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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Weeping:
    “I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart.”

    I’m sorry. I just do not respect this way of thinking. The man murdered other people and she thinks she can forgive him? What penance has he done? Does she think all of those dead prisoners also forgive him?

    I promise you, if someone tortures me, I’d much rather other people not forgive him. This man was old enough to know better and he should be punished severely. There is no excuse.

    I totally get where you’re coming from here. And to be honest, a part of me agrees. But I also see where Corrie was coming from.

    Here are my answers:

    • Corrie had the right to forgive him for what he did to her and her sister.  A victim always has the right to forgive someone who has done them a personal wrong. Obviously, she couldn’t forgive him on behalf of everyone who was in the camp, but personal forgiveness was hers to give. I think Corrie and the former guard knew that, and a personal forgiveness is what he sought and received.
    • He said he had become a Christian after the war. Taking him at his word, I suspect he had done a lot of penance – maybe not, but quite possibly. After all, being forgiven of past actions, as you are when you become a Christian, doesn’t automatically bring peace with it. For some people, it brings new struggles – both emotionally and mentally. As in, how could I have done what I did?
    • I have no doubt that one of those dead prisoners would have forgiven him if she could have come back from the grave – Corrie’s sister Betsie. You’re right, though, most of them probably wouldn’t. But as I said, I don’t think Corrie was offering a collective forgiveness, just a personal one. Something she had the right to do.
    • If someone tortures you, you’re the only person who has a right to extend forgiveness to him – or not. The choice would be yours.
    • It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and say that the man should have known better. I think he should have too. But neither one of us were living in his shoes at the time. And as much as it pains me to say it – because I’d really like to think I would have made different choices – we have no idea what kind of choices we would have made if we had been. To some extent, everyone is a product of the society they live in and the circumstances they’re faced with. So who knows what choices we would have made had we been there, living in it?
    • Sometimes just having to live with your conscience and the memories of what you’ve done are punishment enough. Obviously, I don’t know if that was the case with this man, but it can be.
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Weeping:
    “I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart.”

    I’m sorry. I just do not respect this way of thinking. The man murdered other people and she thinks she can forgive him? What penance has he done? Does she think all of those dead prisoners also forgive him?

    I promise you, if someone tortures me, I’d much rather other people not forgive him. This man was old enough to know better and he should be punished severely. There is no excuse.

    Go back and read the story again – The same strength that gave her the ability to forgive a terrible crime was the same strength that gave her the endurance of her amazing survival and life – but ultimately, she realized that Jesus died on the cross, paid the sacrifice for her – she couldn’t not call herself a Christian and say no to someone asking their forgiveness – the man repented to boot – an astounding story.

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    What an amazing story – I have never heard of her or her story – thank you for all the research – I am in awe – I have yet to even click on the links – thank you again for such an outstanding presentation!

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    Weeping (View Comment):

    It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and say that the man should have known better.

     

     

    And this sentiment is the root of evil. I’m sure on reflection you will agree.

     

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    Weeping:
    “I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart.”

    I’m sorry. I just do not respect this way of thinking. The man murdered other people and she thinks she can forgive him? What penance has he done? Does she think all of those dead prisoners also forgive him?

    I promise you, if someone tortures me, I’d much rather other people not forgive him. This man was old enough to know better and he should be punished severely. There is no excuse.

    Go back and read the story again – The same strength that gave her the ability to forgive a terrible crime was the same strength that gave her the endurance of her amazing survival and life – but ultimately, she realized that Jesus died on the cross, paid the sacrifice for her – she couldn’t not call herself a Christian and say no to someone asking their forgiveness – the man repented to boot – an astounding story.

    This is true. She said: Jesus Christ had died for this man; was I going to ask for more? She saw forgiving him for what he had done to her and her sister as being something God expected her to do – part of her “Christian duty”. And she had just finished giving a sermon about forgiveness! Being willing to forgive others – especially when we think they don’t deserve it – is a hard thing. But it’s something Corrie understood Christians to be called to do. So she did.

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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Weeping:
    “I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart.”

    I’m sorry. I just do not respect this way of thinking. The man murdered other people and she thinks she can forgive him? What penance has he done? Does she think all of those dead prisoners also forgive him?

    I promise you, if someone tortures me, I’d much rather other people not forgive him. This man was old enough to know better and he should be punished severely. There is no excuse.

    Go back and read the story again – The same strength that gave her the ability to forgive a terrible crime was the same strength that gave her the endurance of her amazing survival and life – but ultimately, she realized that Jesus died on the cross, paid the sacrifice for her – she couldn’t not call herself a Christian and say no to someone asking their forgiveness – the man repented to boot – an astounding story.

    It’s easy to “repent” when the world is chasing down your peers.  Another way to protect yourself from prosecution is to hoodwink gullible church goers to declare their forgiveness.  I’m way too cynical to think the zebra changed his stripes. 

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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and say that the man should have known better.

    And this sentiment is the root of evil. I’m sure on reflection you will agree.

    I’m not sure whether I agree with you or not, because I’m not sure what you mean. We are all products of the times in which we live. (The idea that follows that statement.) No one is immune from that. And because of that, no one can know for certain what he/she would have done if he’d grown up in a different time and place. How is that idea – the idea that people are products of their time and place and moving a person from one time and place to another would result in a different person – the root of evil?

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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    What an amazing story – I have never heard of her or her story – thank you for all the research – I am in awe – I have yet to even click on the links – thank you again for such an outstanding presentation!

    I’m not sure it was all that outstanding, but you’re welcome. :)

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    Weeping (View Comment):
    How is that idea – the idea that people are products of their time and place and moving a person from one time and place to another would result in a different person – the root of evil?

    Because right and wrong are absolute and independent of culture or time or place.  Slavery is always everywhere wrong.  So is torturing people and sending them to mass executions.  I will not forgive slavers or gas chamber attendants.  They knew what they were doing was wrong.  It’s when people think their time and place excuses behavior that we get results such as the German people thinking the individual is subordinate to the state and the state is defended because it cannot do wrong.

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    Skyler (View Comment):

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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Weeping:
    “I forgive you, brother!” I cried. “With all my heart.”

    I’m sorry. I just do not respect this way of thinking. The man murdered other people and she thinks she can forgive him? What penance has he done? Does she think all of those dead prisoners also forgive him?

    I promise you, if someone tortures me, I’d much rather other people not forgive him. This man was old enough to know better and he should be punished severely. There is no excuse.

    Go back and read the story again – The same strength that gave her the ability to forgive a terrible crime was the same strength that gave her the endurance of her amazing survival and life – but ultimately, she realized that Jesus died on the cross, paid the sacrifice for her – she couldn’t not call herself a Christian and say no to someone asking their forgiveness – the man repented to boot – an astounding story.

    It’s easy to “repent” when the world is chasing down your peers. Another way to protect yourself from prosecution is to hoodwink gullible church goers to declare their forgiveness. I’m way too cynical to think the zebra changed his stripes.

    OK. I see where you’re coming from now. You could be right. He might have been lying. There’s no way we can know with absolute certainty either way. In the Bible, though,  Saul – a man who hunted down Christians and killed them – changed his stripes and became Paul, a follower of Christ and a leader in the Christian movement who wound up writing most of the New Testament. Stripes can be changed.

    I also doubt that a conversion would have protected the man from prosecution at the time. It was 1947, I believe; and the horror was still too fresh in everyone’s memory.  Without having a long track record to prove he had changed, I suspect most would have thought as you do – that it was all just a front.

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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):
    How is that idea – the idea that people are products of their time and place and moving a person from one time and place to another would result in a different person – the root of evil?

    Because right and wrong are absolute and independent of culture or time or place. Slavery is always everywhere wrong. So is torturing people and sending them to mass executions. I will not forgive slavers or gas chamber attendants. They knew what they were doing was wrong. It’s when people think their time and place excuses behavior that we get results such as the German people thinking the individual is subordinate to the state and the state is defended because it cannot do wrong.

    That’s the scary thing. They may not have thought what they were doing was wrong. If you live in a culture/society that doesn’t value human life** – that looks down on some people as being less than human and unworthy of living – there’s a good chance you’ll do things that you wouldn’t dream of doing if you lived in a culture that did value human life. You’ll do them and at the time you’re doing them, you won’t believe that what you’re doing is wrong. You’ll believe that because of who they are, the people deserve what they’re getting. You aren’t excusing anything in that scenario; it’s what you actually believe. I suspect that’s the kind of person you usually had working in the concentration camps – true believers.

    ** My understanding of German society at the time. I could be very wrong about that.

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  19. Skyler Coolidge
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    How is that idea – the idea that people are products of their time and place and moving a person from one time and place to another would result in a different person – the root of evil?

    Because right and wrong are absolute and independent of culture or time or place. Slavery is always everywhere wrong. So is torturing people and sending them to mass executions. I will not forgive slavers or gas chamber attendants. They knew what they were doing was wrong. It’s when people think their time and place excuses behavior that we get results such as the German people thinking the individual is subordinate to the state and the state is defended because it cannot do wrong.

    That’s the scary thing. They may not have thought what they were doing was wrong. If you live in a culture/society that doesn’t value human life** – that looks down on some people as being less than human and unworthy of living – there’s a good chance you’ll do things that you wouldn’t dream of doing if you lived in a culture that did value human life. You’ll do them and at the time you’re doing them, you won’t believe that what you’re doing is wrong. You’ll believe that because of who they are, the people deserve what they’re getting. You aren’t excusing anything in that scenario; it’s what you actually believe. I suspect that’s the kind of person you usually had working in the concentration camps – true believers.

    ** My understanding of German society at the time. I could be very wrong about that.

    The primary role of civilization is to come to a consensus on what is right and what is wrong.  No civilization gets it completely right, but some are more right than others.  Additionally, the cultural or group consensus of right and wrong  does not excuse the individual from the responsibility of getting it right either.   Either way, all peoples and cultures have the responsibility to get it right, and there is no getting around that burden.

     

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