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  1. Old Bathos Member
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    Won’t Obama veto this? Can’t have folks escape the federal reservations.

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  2. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    @CowGirl

    I’m certainly not opposed to other options for the Navajo children living in AZ and NM. But, what are the other options? What other schools are within traveling distance for them to attend? Will this necessitate building something new, or will some children have to board in another town? I’ve been in the Navajo Nation, and it is enormous, and many areas are physically isolated with poor roads. Can any of the BIE schools be reconstituted under a different management? I know, lots of questions…I live in Nevada, and there are educational options just down the block here. It gives people the chance to try something else for their children. But, where will the Navajo parents go to find another school?

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  3. SpiritO'78 Inactive
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    I don’t know Jon…I have reservations.

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  4. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    @BrianClendinen

    It can’t be worse than the current system. I am sure their will be abuses like paying for satellite internet so a child can due school online that will mostly be used for entertainment. However, I am willing to put a wager up with anyone that thinks nothing will change or it will get worse. Not sure what the metric should be and I would want it normalized for any change in wedlock birth rates. However I would at lest due a few hundred dollar bet that the outcomes will be better.

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  5. Del Mar Dave Member
    Del Mar Dave
    @DelMarDave

    At first blush, this proposal appears to offer nothing but upside:

    • It moves $$ and decision-making from bureaucrat hands to parental hands.
    • It could open new vistas if parents banded together to open charter schools, even if small.
    • Distance learning and home schooling could be force multipliers.

    Experimentation will result in some failures, for sure, but just think of the lessons to be learned and the striving for excellence that will flower in a process of ongoing improvement.

    “What if change became the norm rather than the exception? Suppose the organization directed its energy not at achieving stability but at pursuing ONGOING improvement?” — The Goal, Eliyahu Goldratt and Jeff Cox

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  6. Jerome Danner Inactive
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    I want to applaud this effort to try and help our Native American brothers and sisters.  But like Cow Girl I have questions that may not give me reservations like SpiritO’78, however, it does make me wonder.

    I just wonder if they are looking at all of the issues surrounding the Native Americans in that area.  Is it really just the education system to be worried about?  I am still a person that believes that education starts at home too.  Therefore, shouldn’t there be some kind of program put in place to help the parents of these children?  It seems to me that even if the parents are not educated, they still can benefit from some kind of service that would help them as parents when it comes to “teaching” their child at home.

    I hope this works regardless of my questions.  The plight of the Native American people have been a long and convoluted one.

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  7. Jerome Danner Inactive
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    @JeromeDanner

    Del Mar Dave:At first blush, this proposal appears to offer nothing but upside:

    • It moves $$ and decision-making from bureaucrat hands to parental hands.
    • It could open new vistas if parents banded together to open charter schools, even if small.
    • Distance learning and home schooling could be force multipliers.

    Experimentation will result in some failures, for sure, but just think of the lessons to be learned and the striving for excellence that will flower in a process of ongoing improvement.

    “What if change became the norm rather than the exception? Suppose the organization directed its energy not at achieving stability but at pursuing ONGOING improvement?” — The Goal, Eliyahu Goldratt and Jeff Cox

    Good points and a great quote!

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  8. Jerome Danner Inactive
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    @JeromeDanner

    Brian Clendinen:It can’t be worse than the current system. I am sure their will be abuses like paying for satellite internet so a child can due school online that will mostly be used for entertainment. However, I am willing to put a wager up with anyone that thinks nothing will change or it will get worse. Not sure what the metric should be and I would want it normalized for any change in wedlock birth rates. However I would at lest due a few hundred dollar bet that the outcomes will be better.

    Not sure if I could bet on it, but as I put in my earlier comment: I have questions and some worries.  I am still hoping for the best regardless.

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  9. MarciN Member
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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: A positive side effect of the legislation will be to help reorient our educational funding, by allowing dollars to follow the students, rather than having billions given to school districts and local politicians to parcel out as they see fit.

    Wow. This is really good news.

    Thank you.

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  10. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    @CowGirl

    Del Mar Dave:At first blush, this proposal appears to offer nothing but upside:

    • It moves $$ and decision-making from bureaucrat hands to parental hands.
    • It could open new vistas if parents banded together to open charter schools, even if small.
    • Distance learning and home schooling could be force multipliers.

    Experimentation will result in some failures, for sure, but just think of the lessons to be learned and the striving for excellence that will flower in a process of ongoing improvement.

    “What if change became the norm rather than the exception? Suppose the organization directed its energy not at achieving stability but at pursuing ONGOING improvement?” — The Goal, Eliyahu Goldratt and Jeff Cox

    This is a positive thing–giving parents the power. I hope I didn’t sound negative, I was just asking questions. Here in Nevada, the legislature created those accounts, and there are those among the entrenched who are wringing their hands and wailing. But, even though I am a public school teacher, I feel that empowering parents is a good thing. I’m not afraid. Make the bureaucracy more accountable! Choices and changes are generally positive, and that “ongoing improvement” thing?  Bring it on!!

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  11. Chris Johnson Inactive
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    Given the diffuse population over great distances, Distance Learning seems to be the most sensible option for the parents.  I am concerned that the parents will be “encouraged” to choose providers connected to corrupt tribal leaders.  There must be serious metrics that demonstrate eligible providers perform at least as well as Khan Academy; Khan Academy may be free, if I am not mistaken.  So, perhaps parents can select Khan Academy and direct their BIE funds towards installation and monthly subscription to quality broadband service.

    Separately, do the Navajo on reservations even pay any federal, (or state) taxes?  I may be mistaken, but I thought they were not subject to the laws for other citizens.  Thus, for example, allowing them to operate casinos where they are otherwise illegal, or to sell tobacco tax free.  If I am NOT mistaken, then their school system is paid for with federal money to which they are not required to contribute?  Somebody please clarify this for me.

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  12. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    Brian Clendinen: It can’t be worse than the current system. I am sure their will be abuses like paying for satellite internet so a child can due school online that will mostly be used for entertainment. However, I am willing to put a wager up with anyone that thinks nothing will change or it will get worse. Not sure what the metric should be and I would want it normalized for any change in wedlock birth rates. However I would at lest due a few hundred dollar bet that the outcomes will be better.

    Alot of rural people don’t have internet access. The internet is a good tool for learning things. I’m sure there will be as much porn and facebook nonsense as research but using the account for getting internet will probably be a good thing for improving a child’s education.

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  13. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    Chris Johnson: Given the diffuse population over great distances, Distance Learning seems to be the most sensible option for the parents. I am concerned that the parents will be “encouraged” to choose providers connected to corrupt tribal leaders. There must be serious metrics that demonstrate eligible providers perform at least as well as Khan Academy; Khan Academy may be free, if I am not mistaken. So, perhaps parents can select Khan Academy and direct their BIE funds towards installation and monthly subscription to quality broadband service.

    We need to establish a market to drive down costs and improve quality. I know this sounds odd but this welfare program can help establish an education market.

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