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Gaby Charing
Joined
Sep '11

I live in London, UK, with my partner. I am a solicitor (attorney), now retired. She is a specialist clinician, a systemic psychotherapist working as part of a multi-disciplinary team in a service for children and young people with mental health problems, and their families. She is also a painter.

Today is the sixth anniversary of our civil partnership (civil union). If it had been possible, Liz and I would have registered our partnership in 1987, which is when we decided to buy a house and spend the rest of our lives together.

We are not freaks. We are just an ordinary couple who love each other and have been entirely faithful to each other for more than 25 years.

I don't want to undermine religion. I have no problem with religion, although I am not myself a believer. And I certainly don’t want to destroy the fabric of our society. I feel too much part of it to want to harm it.

What I do need, and feel entitled to expect, is the same opportunity as other people to live a normal family life. I should also like people to respect my relationship with Liz, which I am very proud of.

Does this make sense to Ricochet readers?

KC Mulville
Joined
Jan '11

How did we get on this topic? We were having a conversation about talking to young women (Mollie’s post here), and persuading them to consider conservatism. One argument was that young women dread conservatives because conservatives are accused of wanting to roll back the Sexual Revolution, but that’s what brought women freedom. Then we got into the elements of the Sexual Revolution, and we landed on contraception. The arguments about contraception came up, and then I started talking about the sacred nature of sex, and I argued that contraception mitigates that. Red Feline and others disagreed - - we started talking about the nature of sex - - and rather than sidetrack Mollie’s thread, we now start a new one. This thread is devoted entirely to the nature of sex.

So let’s get started.

I love sex. Really. I look forward to it.

But just because something is enjoyable doesn’t mean it can’t also be sacred. And while I love sex, and think it’s a heck of a lot of fun, I also think it’s sacred.

  • Sacred: To me that means something specific. When something is sacred, that means it has its own dignity. In plainer English, it means you can’t “use” it for any purpose but for what it was intended for. You have to respect it. An example is Communion wine. We Catholics consider it sacred, which means that we can’t just drink it because we’re thirsty. It has a special role, and we either use it for that role or not at all.

When you’re dealing with the sacred, you respect it, and you only use it for what it was intended for, and never for anything else.

Human beings, in the same way, should be considered sacred. You don’t “use” people. They have their own lives, their own freedom, and their own dignity. A president can’t just use soldiers, for instance, or throw them into danger because it may help him politically. You just don’t do things like that with people’s lives, because they’re sacred.

Parents consider their children sacred (or we expect them to). You don’t use children. If you want to play with dolls, buy a doll. If you want to have companionship, buy a puppy. But when you have a child, that child is a person in his own right, and as a parent, you respect that child’s life and dignity. You never use children.

Most of the opposition to prostitution is based on that notion that human beings are not to be “used.” You don’t use women, even if they want to be used so they can get money. Human beings have dignity, and you respect that dignity in all cases.

Sometimes the sacred comes in the form of an object, like communion wine. Sometimes, the sacred comes in the form of a person. And sometimes, the sacred comes in an action, or even a ritual.

Sex is an action. I say it’s a sacred action. My church taught me that originally, but as a man who’s been married for over twenty years, I confirm that sacredness by my own experience. Sex is at the core of my life, because my life is lived in union with another person.

Because it’s sacred, I respect it. And once I reflect on sex, I know that sex has different aspects to it.

  • Sex communicates love
  • Sex produces children

None of this is all that controversial. But here’s an intellectual question: Even if you grant that sex is sacred, and you can’t use it for any other purpose … does that mean that every act of sex has to fulfill every purpose? After all, it’s one thing to list qualities of sex, and demand that you can’t use sex to fulfill some other quality that isn’t on that list. But does that mean that you have to fulfill all of the qualities that are on the list, every time you have sex? If sacred means not using it for something else, does it also mean that you must use it fully?

I say yes.

My church phrases it this way: every act of sex must be open (“must be open;” now’s there’s a phrase!) to its natural purposes … in fact, it must be open to all of them. If sex’s dignity includes both procreation and communicating love, then because it’s sacred, both must be respected during every act of sex.

Now as it is, there’s a battle-worthy distinction between saying that sex [must produce] children and saying that sex [must be open to the possibility of producing] children. My church gets roasted for that distinction, but my goodness, I think that’s a way of letting people off the hook of having to produce children every time. That distinction is the church’s way of addressing the reality that while sex is sacred, people want to have it without getting pregnant.

But as for the dignity of sex:

  • I find it impossible to deny that procreation is essential to the nature of sex.
  • Nor can I deny that communicating love is essential to the nature of sex.

So, since the dignity of sex includes both, I can’t see a way to wriggle out of the conclusion: I must conclude that every act of sex is open to both, or else I’m having sex without respecting its sacredness. Communicating love is not enough. The possibility of producing children is not enough. It has to be both.

(OK, I’ve talked too much. Time for others to speak if they wish.)

Fred Cole
Joined
Nov '11

As Brian notes below, there's a heartbreaking story in the news about a 10-year-old girl waiting for a lung transplant and how HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is resisting calls from the girl's family, the public, and several politicians to waive a regulation that lowers her chances of receiving a transplant.

I'm not going to wade into it.

I just need to point out that the perpetual shortage of human organs available for transplant isn't an unfortunate circumstance, that's its not really-sad-but-that's-just-how-things-are, and it doesn't say something about our society that so few people are willing to donate.

We did this to ourselves.  

Selling organs is banned. This shortage, and the reason that girl is probably going to die, isn't just happenstance, it's the direct result of the absence of a free market in human organs.  

Selling a kidney is legal in Iran and guess what: there's no waiting list for kidneys.  Free markets don't create shortages.

There's no rational reason to have a ban. And yes, it seems distasteful, but the ban means people like that 10-year-old girl are going to die when they don't need to.    

People shouldn't die because something is icky.

The White House recently told the press there couldn’t be more difference between my position on gay marriage and President Obama’s.

On reflection, I agree.

President Obama’s position on marriage is constantly “evolving,” as he so often says.  He’s not sure what marriage is, or what it should become, and no doubt right now he’s consulting highly-paid polling experts to determine how his position – and marriage itself – should morph next.  This should come as no surprise given the President’s musings about the other great moral issue of our time, the protection of human life.

In a 2008 campaign forum, Pastor Rick Warren asked, “at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?"  Obama answered, “Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a science perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.” But as an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama articulated a very clear view of when a baby was granted rights.  He was the only senator to vote against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act in committee; legislation that protected babies who survived an abortion and were born alive. He was the only senator to speak against it on the senate floor. 

At the time, the constitutional law professor boldly asserted, that “whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements of the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a–a child, a 9 month old–child that was delivered to term.” He says children only have rights who are 9-months old and delivered at term. So, does that mean any child born before 9 months is not entitled to rights?

By contrast, millions of Americans, including myself, know what we think about human life and marriage. We know not only what we think but why we believe what we believe.  We know that some truths are bigger than the next election and should not shift with political consultants’ advice. And among those great, enduring, and foundational truths, I believe, are life and marriage.

An unborn child is not just a clump of cells.  He or she is a human life, as worthy of basic dignity and respect as any one of us.  Each precious, irreplaceable human life is too infinitely valuable to permit courts to redefine its meaning away. I fought against Partial Birth Abortion, a horrific procedure supported by President Obama, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. When the highest court found the law banning the practice unconstitutional, I sent it back to the justices a second time so they could get it right.

Marriage is, and has always been through human history, a union of a man and woman – and for a reason. These unions are special because they are the ones we all depend on to make new life and to connect those new lives to their mom and dad.

A husband is a man who commits to a woman, to her and any children she may give him. He commits to his wife without any reservations, to share with her all his worldly goods and to exclude all others from this intimate communion of life.  From this vow of marriage comes a wonderful and unique good: any children their union creates will have a mom and a dad united in love, in one family.

That’s the special work of marriage in law – to connect things that otherwise fray and fragment: love, life, money, moms, and dads.

A man who does not seek to do this – who doesn’t choose to give himself to a woman and any children they may have together in this unique and special way – may well be a very good man and have wonderful other kinds of relationships, but he isn’t seeking to be a husband. We can’t redefine reality to accommodate politically fashionable wishes.  Words matter because they capture enduring and timeless truths about human nature and about the common good.

Lawyers cannot create life and did not create marriage. And lawyers (whether on the bench or in politics) have no business redefining either to suit the shifting winds of fashion, or worse, for political expediency.

I know so many single moms who work so hard and do such a great job raising children. We need to applaud every heroic parent working hard to raise good kids regardless of whether or not they are married; just as we need to protect all our children, born and unborn, those lucky enough to have the gift of a married mom and dad and those who do not.

We can do this without cravenly surrendering timeless truths about marriage and human life.  We don’t want liberal media-approved lawyers and politicians massaging the meaning of words, or judges implementing vast social changes without the consent of the governed, or, frankly, politicians like President Obama who cannot even tell you what marriage will be next week.

In positions of power, we need men and women of character, willing to stand up and defend what they think is right and to level with the American people.  America is hungry for leadership.  I have found everywhere I go across this great land that people appreciate it if they know you’re the kind of man they can trust to tell the truth on important issues even if they do not agree with you on every issue.

Marriage is a society’s life blood.  Not everybody can or will marry, but all of us (married or not) depend on marriage in a unique way.  Marriage is foundational: it creates and sustains not only children but civilization itself.  This is an institution which protects our liberty.

A president who, after thousands of years of human history, a Harvard law degree, and four years in the White House, cannot tell us with certainty what he thinks marriage or life is, is not worthy of the trust of the American people or a second term in office.  It is time for leadership in America.  It is time again to stand for self-evident foundational truths.

Pseudodionysius
Joined
Sep '10

Anthony Esolen cleans up misconceptions about the Middle Ages in 5 minutes and 47 seconds. Well played, Dr. Esolen.

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In the current issue of the always-excellent Claremont Review of Books, Christopher Caldwell publishes "Gay Rites," incomparably the most insightful and compelling analysis of the gay marriage movement that yours truly has come across--and, like a lot of us, I've been reading about this subject a lot.

From Caldwell's brilliant essay, a few particularly trenchant--and disheartening--excerpts:

Civil rights movements arise to defend the downtrodden. But never since the Progressive Era has there been a social movement as elite-driven as the one for gay marriage. No issue divides the country more squarely by class. Opponents of California's anti-marriage Proposition 8 have come to include virtually all of Hollywood, Apple, Google, Amazon, and the White House....

The full-spectrum dominance of the pro-gay marriage position among the crème de la crème is perhaps best shown by the leading role in overturning Prop 8 of David Boies and Ted Olson, who argued on opposite sides of Bush v. Gore in 2000. Klarman [Michael J. Klarman, author of From the Closet to the Altar] has a clear-eyed idea of how class interest and déformation professionnelle interact to give gay-marriage supporters a home-field advantage in any courtroom. "Judges," he writes, "are part not only of the cultural elite but of a distinctive subculture—the legal elite—which tends to be even more liberal than the general public on issues such as gender equality and gay equality...."

The most troubling aspect of the gay-marriage movement is that, more than any social movement in living memory, more than feminism at its bra-burning peak in the 1970s, it aims not to engage in lively debate but to shut it down....Shutting down debate can be more effectively done now that the internet has solved the organizing problem of mobs. Anyone who expresses the slightest misgivings about gay marriage can become the object of boycotts, blacklists, and attempts to get him fired. Restaurant chain Chick fil-A was boycotted when its chief operating officer speculated that gay marriage might be "inviting God's wrath." A theater director in Sacramento resigned his post after having been shown to be a donor to Proposition 8. The law firm King & Spalding refused to allow Paul Clement permission to defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act on behalf of the House of Representatives....

In a decade, gay marriage has gone from joke to dogma. It is certainly worth asking why, if this is a liberation movement, it should be happening now, in an age not otherwise gaining a reputation as freedom's heyday. Since 2009, if Klarman's estimates are correct, support for gay marriage has been increasing by 4 points a year. Public opinion does not change this fast in free societies. Either opinion is not changing as fast as it appears to be, or society is not as free.

"Either opinion is not changing as fast as it appears to be, or society is not as free."  I thought about that final line a good long time, resisting it.  I finally concluded that Caldwell is right.  The courts, the media, and elite opinion are attempting to impose gay marriage on the nation by a kind of political force majeure.  If public opinion appears to support the effort, it does so for the same reason that public opinion in Russia appears to support the regime of Vladimir Putin: intimidation.

Rachel Lu
Joined
Apr '12

My Facebook friends kept linking it, so I finally broke down and read the story. The short of it is: they’re trying to develop a sex pill for women, enabling them to restart the love train simply by popping a pill.

In a “train wreck, can’t look away” sort of way, I found the story quite absorbing. Basically the problem is that a lot of married women are finding themselves bored with their husbands, and hoping that medication can help them to rekindle their sex drive. I was morbidly fascinated by the extent to which these women seemed to obsess over sex. To them, diminished libido obviously counts as a fairly serious marital crisis. They don’t seem to feel that bringing teams of researchers (not to mention half the women in the neighborhood) into the conversation is unpleasantly invasive of their privacy. I can’t imagine voluntarily submitting to something so intrusive, but then, I also don’t spend that much time evaluating the quality of my sex life. And it would never occur to me to suppose that a period of diminished libido meant that my marriage was on the rocks. 

Thinking about it, I realized that this probably is a fairly natural consequence of the companionate model of marriage. If feelings justify sex, and sex justifies relationships, then I guess a lively sex life really might be of vital importance. Which is worrisome, since sexual desire is famously elusive. I have nothing against romantic retreats, candlelight dinners, or other measures designed to help long-committed couples recapture the magic. It’s good to keep a little romance in your marriage. Still, realistically, these things come and go. You can’t have the stability of your family life harnessed to such an unruly beast as eros. When the women in this piece talk nostalgically about the red-hot passion of their early relationships, one can’t help but wonder whether that’s really part of their problem. Having placed too much emphasis on sex in the first place, they find themselves up a creek when (shockingly!) the burning passion can’t be sustained without interruption over the course of decades.

The article makes clear that, unlike Viagra, the female sex pill is meant to move beyond the mechanical so as to focus on the brain. Viagra makes men capable of sex; this pill attempts to give women the desire for it. Love Potion #9, anyone? I've read enough fairy tales to know that these kinds of shenanigans never end well.

Moving away from sex for a moment, this piece raises issues that have always been worrisome to me about the morals of mood-modifying medication. This is a very difficult subject, because I know that medication can make worlds of difference for people with serious psychiatric disorders, enabling people who would once have been consigned to mental asylums to live fairly normal, happy lives. I know as well that diagnosing mental disorder is a less-than-straightforward business. When does a person cross the line from ordinary sadness or anxiety or sensitivity into the realm of mental disorder? As difficult as these diagnostic questions are, I don’t think it’s appropriate just to throw in the towel. There are people in the world who legitimately need psychiatric help to rectify some genuine aberration in the workings of their brain. At the same time, pills are not a fitting solution to ordinary life problems.

Putting it in a nutshell, I think the problem with pills is this: they offer material solutions to non-material problems. Pills can change the chemical balance of our brains, but they can’t change our moral character, and it is unfitting for a rational being to medicalize moral problems. Pills may enable us to feel good even when it would be more reasonable to feel bad, but that is not something a rational person should desire. Even if pills only help us to combat an excess of some unproductive emotion (such as worry or sadness) I have to think that it would be better (and more in line with our ultimate thriving) if we could find more natural solutions to these life problems.

 Why, though, are pills “unnatural”? Don’t we use food, drink, or particular activities as “mood-manipulators” on a regular basis? We do, and I think it is good for rational beings to know how to manage their (and others’) emotional states through food, books, music, exercise or what have you. A brisk walk clears the mind. Coffee focuses concentration and instills a desire to work and accomplish. Warm cookies and cold milk are comfort food. Understanding these emotional triggers can be key to living a healthy, well-balanced life. So, what’s the difference between the plate of cookies and the anti-anxiety pill?

I think the difference is in the “embeddedness” of these other triggers in life and culture. Coffee does have a chemical effect on the brain, but coffee-drinking isn’t just a quick route to stimulating chemicals. We also enjoy the taste, the smell, the delightful sight of the steam rising from a thick, homey mug and the warmth of the cup on our hands and tongue. Cookies are delicious and gooey and decadent, and ironically, the fact that we know we can’t eat them all the time makes them that much pleasanter when we do decide to splurge. Books and music and nature quite obviously engage us on a rational level; this is integral to their emotionally transformative effect. 

Popping a pill, by contrast, attempts to bypass these rational mechanisms in favor of a purely animal, material “fix”. It may be justified on those occasions when the root problem really is physical (and again, I acknowledge that this is rarely a simple thing to determine). But it isn’t the answer to all of life’s problems. And it isn’t any way to fix your marriage.

Does porn actually damage the brain? Might sound far-fetched, but there is some very interesting research on this topic that might convince you that it does. This week, I plan to post each day on a different topic related to my new book, Sex & God at Yale. Chapter 2, entitled "The Great Porn Debate," details a rip-roaring Oxford-style porn debate starring porn performer Ron Jeremy, which was held in New Haven during my junior year.

Just this morning, a current Yale student sent me this fascinating TEDx video, featuring a talk by physiologist Gary Wilson, host of www.yourbrainonporn.com. According to the video description, Wilson's research "arose in response to a growing demand for solid scientific information by heavy Internet erotica users experiencing perplexing, unexpected effects: escalation to more extreme material, concentration difficulties, sexual performance problems, radical changes in sexual tastes, social anxiety, irritability, inability to stop, and obsessive-compulsive symptoms."

The video lasts about 15 min, but you can catch the main drift by watching only the first 5. Do so and I promise you'll learn something:

Fascinating stuff, huh? Especially considering how extreme and how universal porn has become among youth in the internet age. It has shaped an entire generation already.

So what do you think? Is porn harmless, or is it poison for the brain?

As you can see, I'm slowly dipping my toes back into Ricochet, but as you can probably also see, my mind is troubled. The Middle East is still roiling, but I feel far apart from the ordinary world, still--it all seems to be taking place in a galaxy far, far away. My mind is still back in an apartment in Washington where nothing seemed real but one elderly woman's final days. And those final days were slow indeed, a time out of time. It was one of those weeks--or maybe two weeks, I lost track--that drew back the curtain of denial we all place over reality in our efforts to stay sane. The plain fact is just staring at me now, impossible to forget: We age--we really age--then we die--we really die--and then somehow we disappear. We're just gone. 

Somehow in our culture the iron wall between religion and state has been transmogrified into a wall between religion and society. We never discuss religion in much depth in mixed company. Someone who comes up to you at  cocktail party and discusses his relationship with God--or his lack thereof--is considered maladroit, a violator of an unspoken taboo. The conversation feels awkward and one instinctively changes the subject. (This is not so in Turkey, where it is not uncommon, within minutes of meeting someone, to be asked what you believe about God and challenged to a debate about your beliefs.) 

Well, enough of that. It's on my mind, and this is an interesting group of people.

What do you believe about God? What is God? How did you arrive at your beliefs? How do you defend them against competing claims, and why? What standards of evidence do you use? How strong is your faith? When has it been challenged? What restored it?

Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, what is its nature? Why is it so hard to communicate with the dead? 

A friend and I went out for dinner the other night, and she asked what I was working on these days, so I told her about a story I was thinking about writing. I explained the complexity of the characters and the philosophical themes that wove their way through the plot. She listened dutifully, sipping on her wine and occasionally glancing around the restaurant. After several minutes, she started shaking her head. I stopped talking and braced for a critique. What I got was advice.

“No, no, don’t write that. I mean, it’s fine, but what you need to write about is sex. Erotica is hot now.”

She then tossed back her blonde locks, asked for another glass of wine, and began to enthusiastically describe various scenes I should put in my book, complete with a tall Swede who looks just like Eric Northman of True Blood -- but maybe with a scar.

When I told her I didn’t want to write an erotica novel, that I don’t even like erotica, and that, to be honest, it infuriates me, she just laughed and said, “It’s just sex, Denise. Women empowering themselves, having fun. It’s what women have always wanted and now we’ve got it.”

I left dinner that night disappointed and a little discouraged because I knew that with the phenomenon of Fifty Shades of Grey she was right. That point hit home the next day when I read that Canada now has its own E. L. James. The book is called S.E.C.R.E.T. and the author writes under the pseudonym L. Marie Adeline. She hadn’t even written five chapters before her book was scooped up by publishers in 30 countries.

“I’ve been looking to sell out since I’ve started writing, if selling out means I actually make a living as a writer,” she said. “This is a good time to write erotica.”

That comment and news that sales of Fifty Shades of Grey had topped my beloved Harry Potter in the UK pushed me further into a depressed state.

I took a deep breath and asked myself, “Am I missing something? I don’t want to turn back the clock to a time when women’s sexuality was treated with shame and derision, when sex was merely for procreation and not to be enjoyed. But whips and chains? What's happened to this generation of women?”

It reeks of the sex-positive feminism of the 1980s that declared sexual freedom to be the essence of women’s liberation, of the radical feminism of Naomi Wolf when she said, “Orgasm is the body’s natural call to feminist politics.” It stinks of sexualization, which brings women only harm, low self-esteem, distorted body image, depression, and anxiety. It makes me feel as if I’m living in Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World where monogamy is a dirty word, families are extinct, and people are expected to have lots of sex—all the time and with a lot of partners.

But maybe I’m over-thinking all this. Maybe it really is just about freedom; just about women having fun and empowering themselves. Maybe I shouldn’t judge. Christian women are reading erotica and don’t seem to care, so who am I to criticize? I certainly don’t hear men complaining about it. I get the feeling some of them are secretly enjoying it. Maybe I should just lighten up. Let girls be girls.

After all, where would I draw the line on sex in the media anyway? It’s been on television and in the movies for years now. Romance novels abound. Cable is like watching soft porn. What difference does it make that a red room of pain is now involved and that bondage and fear have replaced gentle caresses and shy kisses? Is there a breaking point in society? When is sex too much sex?

Severely Ltd.
Joined
Oct '10

I have tremendous respect for many of the Catholics on Ricochet, so don't mistake this for mean-spirited provocation, but this is disturbing and seems not at all helpful:

"Pope Benedict XVI said Tuesday he is convinced that peace will prevail in 2013, despite the inequality, terrorism and "unregulated financial capitalism" that afflict the world today."

I hadn't connected the oddness of our debate here in Minnesota over same-sex marriage with the fact that it's Mother's Day on Sunday, as Mollie reminds us. That said, today's vote in the Minnesota House of Representatives to legalize same-sex marriage should not pass without notice. Some interesting things happened.

I was a member in 2011 and sat through seven very emotional hours of argument when we voted to put the marriage question on the ballot. Supporters of SSM jeered, booed and, in one case, spit on a legislator who voted to place the issue on the ballot. As a result, there was beefed up security today. There were also raucous but good-natured supporters and somber opponents who appeared resigned to the outcome. In both 2011 and 2013 the outcome was known; this time the debate and vote took less than three hours. (Here are some photos if you are interested.)

Republicans offered two amendments. First was one by Rep. David FitzSimmons, who inserted the word 'civil' before 'marriage' throughout the Minnesota statute for marriage. He included language that he believes protects religious freedoms, thus:

 (a) Except for secular business activities engaged in by a religious association, religious corporation, or religious society, the conduct of which is unrelated to the religious and educational purposes for which it is organized, no religious association, religious corporation, or religious society shall be required to provide goods or services at the solemnization or celebration of any civil marriage or be subject to civil liability or any action by the state that penalizes, fines, or withholds any benefit to the religious association, religious corporation, or religious society under the laws of this state, including, but not limited to, laws regarding tax exempt status, for failing or refusing to provide goods or services at the solemnization or celebration of any civil marriage, if providing such goods or services would cause the religious association, religious corporation, or religious society to violate their sincerely held religious beliefs.

(b) The exception in paragraph (a) applies to employees, agents, and volunteers acting within the capacity of their employment or responsibilities with a religious association, religious corporation, or religious society."

This passed on a voice vote, meaning we do not know who was against it. The bill's chief author, Rep. Karen Clark, and House DFL (Democrat-Farmer-Labor) leadership supported it as a possible way to attract GOP votes for the bill. They eventually got four out of 61 GOP representatives, including FitzSimmons. More on this in a moment.

Some weeks ago, Rep. Tim Kelly had put forth a civil union bill as an alternative, and he introduced it as an amendment after the 'civil marriage' amendment had been adopted. There was mild debate and then the amendment failed on a roll call, 22-111. Four DFL members joined 18 GOP representatives in voting for civil unions. The 4 DFL and 4 GOP members then proceeded to vote for the bill itself with its civil marriage amendment. The final tally was 75-59.

Two exit thoughts, questions infra.

1. I have no idea if the religious freedom protection in the civil marriage amendment will stand up in court to protect those churches who will refuse to provide, say, their function hall for a reception for a civil marriage of a same-sex couple. You legal types can hash that one out for me. I get the idea that the supporters had -- if you want a religious marriage, get to a church and have one, don't go to City Hall. I just hope that is airtight. The explanation has not sat well with opponents of SSM;  there are catcalls for the four who voted for it. I sympathize for them; the pressure is incredible when thousands stand outside a room waiting to see if you press a green (yes) or red (no) button.

2. We have wondered whether it has been about the word 'marriage'. Well the answer today was yes ... and no. Yes, as only 22 would vote to legalize and call all marriages 'civil unions' (not a separate, second class of contracts for same-sex couples, as I read the civil union bill.) 111 members said no to that. Each side wanted to claim the word 'marriage'. I note that, with only 4 DFL votes, civil unions could not have passed even if every GOP member voted for it. But on the other hand, if you qualify the noun 'marriage' with the adjective 'civil', that was OK with SSM supporters. I am sure there will be Ricocheti who support or oppose the adjective. Have at it in the comments.

The Senate votes on the bill Monday, the day after Mother's Day, where passage is pretty much a foregone conclusion.  Governor Mark Dayton is planning on signing the bill on Tuesday.

Barkha Herman
Joined
Jul '11

There is a general concern about the future of marriage in the conservative universe.  

In my experience, the rhetoric doesn't always follow the actions. One of my staunchest conservative friends is single and almost 50, and has never been married. Many of my very conservative girl friends have either never married or are divorced. Some are even single mothers.  

So, despite all the glory of marriage and the doom and gloom talk, is it just gays and polygamists killing marriages? Who is preventing my 50-year-old conservative friend from getting married? Why are so many of my churchgoing, Republican-voting girl friends not married?

Almost everyone in India gets and stays married. Why aren't they all registered Republicans?

So, I'd like to know a few things of the Ricochetti:

  1. Are you married?

For those who are married:

  1. How old were you when you got married?
  2. Is it your first marriage?
  3. How long have you been married?

For those not:

  1. Why not? (didn't you hear our civilization is at risk for the lack of marriage?)
  2. What are you looking for?
Rachel Lu
Joined
Apr '12

America needs more stable, intact families. This much is obvious to anyone who is even slightly familiar with the social and demographic trends of the past few decades. Stable, intact families are overwhelmingly the most reliable source of productive, responsible citizens, which are always in short supply.

Both men and women are falling down on the job when it comes to family formation, but their failings are not precisely the same. The men tend to opt out of family life entirely, either by not fathering children or by abandoning them. Women fall into one of two brackets. Some (mostly of little education) get pregnant out of wedlock and find themselves facing an overwhelming task for which they are not remotely prepared. Others (mostly educated) marry late, forego childbearing for even longer, and then plunge themselves into an agonized world of “work-life balance” in which they try to divide their time between career and children. Both have their disadvantages; the latter model works better for such offspring as it produces -- but it doesn’t produce many.

To improve family life, we may need a better “game plan” for women, but we definitely need more marriageable males. Unless men are willing to be responsible husbands and fathers, we will inevitably face a litany of social ills.

What would it take to persuade men that family life is worth it? The female side of the question is altogether more puzzling. Women are generally needed as caretakers for at least some significant portion of their lives, but their financial contributions are often needed as well. As the blue state model continues to crumble, I suspect that financial instability is increasingly going to be the norm for single-income families. That puts women in a quandary, but for men the tensions seem less severe.

To be sure, family will still create obstacles to their career development, and negotiating the current labor market is difficult under any circumstances. Unemployment can, I believe, be particularly devastating to men. But, at least in outline, the ideal for men hasn’t changed so terribly much. Most can expect to be working full-time through their adult lives, while hopefully devoting their evenings and weekends to family. Is that such a bad life? Almost none of us nowadays get the clarity and stability of a 1950s household, but it seems to me we have at least a reasonably clear idea of what men need to do within the family, and, to my mind at least, it doesn't seem so unattractive.

Why, then, do so many reject the model? Some of the problems with today's young men are surely developmental, stemming from fatherlessness, and our failure to steep boys in properly masculine models of virtue. Some of the problems may also relate to the messages put forward by popular culture about family men, who are too often portrayed as boobs and saps. Workplaces have also become less satisfying to men, insofar as it has become less acceptable for them to display their natural competitive instincts. In principle, workplace issues aren’t “fixed” by the flight from family life, but I sometimes wonder whether the refusal to assume responsible masculine roles is in large part just a passive-aggressive male response to a culture that fails to value masculinity properly.

If these are the problems at the root of unmarriageable men, they seem solvable. Stop waging war on masculinity and we may find that more men are willing to step up to the plate and embrace their manly responsibilities.

But is there more to it than that? Are there actual reasons why family life has become less satisfying to men? Unmarried women agonize endlessly over these questions; I'm happily married but I still don't quite know what to tell them. If it were just a question of expressing appreciation more often, and not forcing men to sit on flower-patterned cushions, I think that's a compromise most women would happily accept. But would that be enough? I think a lot comes down to the title question: what makes family life satisfying for men? 

One suggestion that has sometimes been made to me is that men need to be needed, and with women working, they feel superfluous within the family. The first part seems definitely true, but the second just seems preposterous. Fathers are desperately needed. Not just for their paychecks (although those are important), but also for their presence within the household. How could any sensible person think otherwise? As the mother of little boys, I can already see how important paternal attention is for my sons. Moms are great when you’re sleepy or sick or have a skinned knee, but if you want to throw a football or play soldier or build a model airplane, Dad is definitely the preferred parent. Happily, my sons get lots of time with their dad, and he loves to do "boy" things with them. But it just makes me sad to think of all the little boys in the world who don't have that. Do men really need primary earning power before they can feel confident in their masculinity? Can they truly believe, just because they aren’t the sole breadwinner, that they aren’t important to their wives (or girlfriends) and, more importantly, to their children? 

I’d be happy for any insight that our Ricochet men (or women, for that matter) can offer on these questions.

Tom Meyer
Joined
Jan '11

I waded in late to Katievs's abortion thread on the member feed -- rather than risk running it off the rails -- I thought I'd start my own.

Despite caring deeply about abortion, I have a hard time articulating a position on it.  My reason is simple: I find both of the logically consistent positions on it to be morally troubling and downright terrifying in their implications.

The sanctity-of-life variety of the pro-life position argues that all individual humans are fully-ensouled persons from the moment of conception.  They are, therefore, of equal moral value to the rest of us.  As the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it:

Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

As beautiful as I find that idea, it means that when my girlfriend and I get married and start trying to have kids, nearly a half-dozen fully-ensouled persons are likely to die as a result of our efforts (22% of all conceived zygotes fail to implant).  Not to put too fine a point on it, but I would find that -- and the fact that our government sanctions mass-murder of children -- utterly horrifying.

The alternative can best be called the "personhood" argument argument, which holds  that we have moral value only by virtue of the level of our moral and intellectual cognition.  Or, as professor Peter Singer puts it:

[The argument that a fetus is not alive] is a resort to a convenient fiction that turns an evidently living being into one that legally is not alive. Instead of accepting such fictions, we should recognise that the fact that a being is human, and alive, does not in itself tell us whether it is wrong to take that being's life.

Therefore, babies and young children are of no moral consequence and can be killed with no more concern than we might grant a cow.  That, too, I find horrifying (more so than the other position, for the record).

As much as I dislike it, this is why I'm morally most comfortable with what I concede is an intellectually squishy position: that our emotional intuition about the increasing value of human life -- rising sharply during pregnancy and then leveling out over time -- is correct. This why we send flowers to a friend who has had an early miscarriage, but stop everything when the same friend's toddler dies.

As such, I'm comfortable with keeping abortions legal during the first trimester, and am equally uncomfortable with allowing mid- to late-term abortions (the usual caveat of danger to the mother's life aside).  I don't particularly like this position, but it's the only one that lets me sleep at night.

Fred Cole
Joined
Nov '11

In the latest Uncommon Knowledge, Dennis Prager (at around the 17 minute mark) begins telling a story to emphasize a point he was making about how Islam does not value liberty.  He mentioned the Somali cab drivers at the airport in Minnesota  refuse to allow passengers who carry alcohol or have dogs into their cabs.

By contrast, Mr. Prager got a call from a mailman in Colorado who is a fundamentalist Christian who said he, as a mailman, has to deliver pornography, and he is at least opposed, as a Christian, to pornography as Muslim is to alcohol or dogs.  But, he delivers the pornography because he believes in freedom.

Forgive me, but am I the only one who noticed problems with this?

First of all, that man delivers pornography because he is paid to do so.  It is his job.  He is paid a generous salary, very generous benefits and will collect a very generous pension on my dime.  So, while he may believe in freedom, he delivers it because he is paid.

Second, as far as I am able to tell (with limited research), those Minnesota Somali cab drivers, unlike the sanctimonious mailman, are not federal employees suckling on the public teat.  More likely they are independent operators or they work for a cab company.  If they are independent operators, who own or lease their cabs, its their business if they refuse, because of their belief system, to serve some customers.  

This is a measure of values.  Those cab drivers believe enough in Islam to stand on their principles, refuse money and risk the economic consequences.  This mailman may claim to have an objection to pornography, but obviously not enough to stand on principle and refuse that government pay check, those generous government benefits, or that pension.

That is what freedom is.  The freedom to associate or not associate with whom you choose based on your own personal values system.  Those taxi drivers value Islam, the mailman values his government pension.  To each his own, but it doesn't prove Islam is anti-freedom.

Addendum: If I've misunderstood, Dennis is invited to clarify things.

Nyadnar17
Joined
Dec '10

Diane Ellis' post got me wondering: 

Just because you don't believe in God or an afterlife doesn't mean you don't believe in morality, ethics, the objective superiority of some ethical/moral systems over others, capitalism, federalism, personal responsibility, or the importance of family.

Just because you are pro-choice doesn't mean that you believe it's right to murder innocent people for the sake of convenience. It can just mean that you do not believe that sentience begins at conception, or that you feel that the well being of a spouse supersedes the needs of the child.

I don't see how atheism or being pro-choice, in and of themselves, any more disbars one from being a conservative than being homosexual or a polygamist. Am I missing something here?

Byron Horatio
Joined
Jul '10

I've discussed at length my religious views in the past on Ricochet.  To sum it up, I'm a secular agnostic and conservative.  I have no hostility towards religion, though cannot bring myself to believe in any particular religion or deity.  

On one theoretical issue though, I am torn: Does there exist or can there exist a secular basis for objective morality?  

In my own life, I operate under the assumption that there is objective morality.  Rape, murder, abuse, are absolutely wrong and must be severely punished.  But on a philosophical level, what is the objective basis for believing these things are wrong?  I concede that I am incapable of producing one.  However, as a secularist, I must act as though there is.  Does that make sense?

In other words, good religion has a utilitarian and perhaps even evolutionary purpose.  Society can exist fine with non-religious individuals, but a non-religious society with no objective basis for morality is doomed to all sorts of evils.  

  

Barkha Herman
Joined
Jul '11

I am hearing more and more momentum to legalize gay marriage. Some Christians and Muslims even support it. The President has evolved and embraced it.  If we are going to redefine marriage, why stop at gay marriage? Why not legalize polyandry?

One of the major justification of the traditional marriage is child rearing. However, with the advent of genetic testing, there is no confusion in parentage of a child any more. Moreover, more and more households are either single parent, or multiple parent (50% of marriages end up in divorce; and most of the people involved re-marry).  It is not uncommon for a child to have a mother, father as well as step mother(s) and step father(s).  I know a kid who has 6 parental units, through multiple marriages and divorces.

So, if gender is not an issue, and "serial marriage" is OK, then why not parallel marriage? Why can't one woman have multiple husbands? There are cultures around the world that have historically had examples of polyandry. Surely, we don't want to be intolerant to these communities? Feminist groups are often against polygamy - because they see it as some sort of abuse of women. But surely they would support polyandry?  

What could be the harm in consenting adults participating in a polyandry marriage? 

What say Ricochet women?  Would you support it?   Why? or Why not?  How about the guys in favor of gay marriage?  Is this going too far or not far enough?  How about you traditionalists?  If you can support divorce, (serial marriages), why not polyandry?

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My father so enjoyed last week's contest that he suggested another one. He'll be adjudicating again. 

Proposition: The problem of evil is as great for atheists as it is for believers.

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This week's prize is a handsome 1953 Buick Skylark in matador red or one of two handsome Ricochet glory badges. There are three doors, behind one of which is the Skylark. Say you pick Door 1. I open Door 2 to reveal a Glory Badge. Do you want to switch your pick? 

James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal has provided an excellent service. He simply points to two pieces of advice offered by the same Washington Post/Slate advice columnist, Emily Yoffe, as part of a discussion of why social conservatism has much more appeal than, well, the folks at the Washington Post and Slate and other elite institutions realize. Here's the first piece of advic from Emily Yoffe's "Dear Prudence" column:

Q: I attend a small university studying engineering. I hold traditional values and I would like to get married to a woman willing to stay home and raise our children. I am lucky enough to not have any student loans and will be able to support a wife and children on my salary. Preferably, I would like to marry a woman who has a college degree and is smart because we would match intellectually and she would provide the best environment for my children. Women I meet on campus frequently call me sexist. I never thought of myself as sexist because I have no problem whatsoever with women who work in general and I respect my fellow female students and professors. Just because I don't want my wife to work does not mean I think women in general shouldn't work. Am I sexist? Is there any way I can meet a woman who shares my values, or was I born 40 years too late?

A: You sound like the male equivalent of the bride in the letter above who much preferred planning her wedding without the bother of a real person to marry. Of course we all have ideas of what our ideal life would be, then life happens and we have to--even want to--adjust to reality. Yes, there are women, even well-educated ones, who would prefer to stay home with their children. But dictating these terms before you've even gotten far enough to go steady makes you sound rigid, dictatorial, and yes, sexist. Instead of announcing your life plan for the so-far nonexistent woman you plan to marry, you should just date interesting, intelligent women and find out what they want out of life. But if you're determined to only spend time with women who meet your qualifications, go to a rally for Rick Santorum. He shares your views of women's roles, and during his Q&A ask if he can fix you up.

Now, I come from a different culture, one where even women who work want husbands who will sacrifice as necessary to enable women to spend more time at home with their children. The man could use more flexibility, perhaps, but the snide and judgmental tone from Yoffe -- the intolerance, as it were -- is really striking.

I'll let Taranto summarize the other piece of advice, lest I run afoul of the Code of Conduct:

In an earlier column, she responded in blasé fashion to a (fictional, we hope to God) letter from a man who claimed to be carrying on a homosexual affair with his own fraternal twin brother: "When people ask when you're each going to go out there and find a nice young man, tell them that while it may seem unorthodox, you both have realized that living together is what works for you," she advised.

But when a decent young man professes a desire to marry an old-fashioned girl and take financial responsibility for his family, Yoffe treats him as a deviant. She denounces him as "sexist" even though he is careful to affirm that women have every right to work outside the home if they choose to do so. He mentions nothing about politics, yet she feels compelled to bring Santorum, the feminists' Emmanuel Goldstein, into the mix.

Yoffe's hostility to this young man tells us more about elite culture than it does about her personally.

I can think of no better example of the "new tolerance," as D.A. Carson puts it in his new book The Intolerance of Tolerance. It's not tolerant so much as embracing of any social system that has no standards, quite intolerant of those that do, and firmly positioned to provide a morally relativistic philosophy in defense of this intolerant tolerance.

Fred Cole
Joined
Nov '11

Over in TheSophist's thread, he concludes that the problem the GOP has with Asian Americans from the Northeast Triad has to do with the perception of the GOP as anti-intellectual.

To which KC Mullville asked:

What accounts for the perception of anti-intellectualism?

This is a good question. It should be addressed.

This perception is pervasive. And it leads people like my cousin to put things like this up as their picture on Facebook:

science-conspiracy

And he really believes it. He believes that Republicans are anti-science and anti-intellectual. To be sure, people on the left can be anti-science too. This same cousin buys organic peanut butter and is against nuclear power.

But the perception persists and is widespread.

So what accounts for this? Why the perception of anti-intellectualism?

I have identified a few causes:

1.  Very public boneheads. That clown Akin springs to mind, because he is recent. His comments showed an utter ignorance of science. No one with any background in science could have said such a thing. Or look at someone like Sarah Palin, who was openly anti-intellectual and clearly uncurious about the world around her and yet celebrated for being both.

You'll say that Democrats do that too. Indeed they do. But the standards are higher for Republicans. That means they need to play a tighter game. And that is not helped by people who furiously defend these boneheads, no matter what asinine comments pass their lips, because the alternative is "worse than Hitler."

2. Pandering to Young Earth Creationists. Witness Marco Rubio doing exactly that. Was it necessary? Do politicians need to pander to such a tiny number of very vocal people?  

From the amount of noise they make, people assume that Young Earth Creationism is more common than it actually is. And yet politicians who should know better pander to them. To do so is to feed science denialism.

3. Climate Change Denial - There, I said it. I know its not a popular thing to say here, but climate change is real as far as the latest, best scientific consensus can determine.  

(Please note: I am not saying "Climate change is real and therefore we must do X."  I am merely accepting the broad scientific consensus.)

Denial of climate change is yet more science denialism. Claiming to be a "skeptic" of climate change, while refusing to engage in actual, you know, skepticism, does a disservice.  

Science is

knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method

It is our method of rationally examining the facts of reality. Science denialism is literally denying reality.

4. Evolution Denialism - A lot of Republicans are religious. Fine. Many religious people are creationists. However, not all creationists are created equal. Different people believe different things, and believing God created the universe doesn't mean you need to deny evolution.

If you want to be religious, that's fine, but don't try to teach your creation story in science classes in public schools. "Intelligent Design" isn't science. It's religion. And constant evolution denialism and attempts (front door and back door) to get creationism into the classroom feed that perception of anti-intellectualism.

So long as Republicans and conservatives continue to give safe harbor to anti-intellectual politicians, science denialists, evolution denialists, and climate change denialists -- and as long as they pander to those elements of the public that engage in the same -- then people like my cousin will be able to post the above image and perpetuate the perception of anti-intellectualism.

Sarah-Palin

For the past few years, Sarah Palin has been making a movie about herself.  Actually, she hasn't been making it, but she initiated the project. From Real Clear Politics:

Shortly after Republicans swept last November to a historic victory in which Sarah Palin was credited with playing a central role, the former Alaska governor pulled aside her close aide, Rebecca Mansour, to discuss a hush-hush assignment: Reach out to conservative filmmaker Stephen K. Bannon with a request. Ask him if he would make a series of videos extolling Palin's governorship and laying to rest lingering questions about her controversial decision to resign from office with a year-and-a-half left in her first term. It was this abdication, Palin knew, that had made her damaged goods in the eyes of some Republicans who once were eager to get behind her potential 2012 presidential campaign.

The response was more positive than Palin could have hoped for. He'd make a feature-length movie, Bannon told Mansour, and he insisted upon taking complete control and financing it himself -- to the tune of $1 million.

To anyone who thinks she's a lightweight, or not-so-bright, think again.  This is some gutsy, long-term thinking.  With an emphasis on gutsy:

Though she did not have any editorial role in the project, Palin facilitated access for Bannon and his film crew to key Alaskan defenders who were involved with the major achievements of her administration, and the filmmaker spent several weeks in the 49th state gathering archival film and conducting research and interviews for the project. He and his team took extraordinary measures to keep their endeavor secret.

The movie, according to many sources, is done.  And it's impressive.  It's a large-lens look at Palin's life, time in office, and genuine accomplishments.

It's also a fairly complete look at the controversial governor.  Again, from RCP:

To convey Bannon's view of the pathology behind Palin-hatred, the film begins with a fast-paced sequence of clips showing some of the prominent celebrities who have used sexist, derogatory and generally vicious language to describe her.

Rosie O'Donnell, Matt Damon, Bill Maher, David Letterman, and Howard Stern all have brief cameos before comedian Louis C.K. goes off on a particularly ugly anti-Palin riff.

"I hate her more than anybody," C.K. says at the end of his tirade, the rest of which is unfit to print here.

Bannon intends to release two versions of the film. An unrated edition will contain some obscene anti-Palin language and imagery, while the other is targeted to a general audience and will seek a PG-13 rating from the Motion Picture Association of America.

Again, this is a canny move, both from the perspective of the filmmaker -- more controversy = more ticket sales -- and from the point of view of Palin.  The unhinged hatred people have for her makes her even more popular with some people.  Even people like me, who have reservations about her presidential run.

And she is running for president.

How do I know?

When's the premiere of the movie, you ask?  Next month.

Where's the premiere of the movie, you ask?  Iowa.

Sarah Palin is running for president.  And this film is her opening shot.  From all reports, it's a big one.  Despite my misgivings, I have to say: I wish her well, and I'm rooting for her.  I just haven't figured out exactly what I'm rooting for her to do. 

Louie Giglio is pastor of Passion City Church in Atlanta. He's shied away from hot-button Biblical topics that get evangelicals in trouble and works hard on combating human trafficking around the world. He runs these huge Passion events around the world. One in Atlanta last week attracted some 60,000 young evangelicals.

This week, he was invited to give the benediction at President Obama's inaugural.

But that was before it was revealed that he had preached about homosexuality 20 years ago.

Audio was dug up by a liberal attack group. In the audio, Giglio calls unrepentant homosexuality a sin and adds:

That’s God’s voice. If you want to hear God’s voice, that is his voice to this issue of homosexuality. It is not ambiguous and unclear. It is very clear. If you look at the counsel of the word of God, Old Testament, New Testament, you come quickly to the conclusion that homosexuality is not an alternate lifestyle. . . . homosexuality is not just a sexual preference, homosexuality is not gay, but homosexuality is sin. It is sin in the eyes of God, and it is sin according to the word of God.

[. . .]

The only way out of a homosexual lifestyle, the only way out of a relationship that has been ingrained over years of time, is through the healing power of Jesus. . . . We’ve got to say the homosexuals, the same thing that I say to you and that you would say to me . . . it’s not easy to change, but it is possible to change.

The media called this "vehemently anti-gay" or just "anti-gay." That Secretary of Defense nominee Chuck Hagel had been outed for supposedly anti-gay comments (they weren't, as I explain here) isn't as big deal to the media because they like him much, much more than an evangelical pastor.

He was quickly removed from the program.

The Orwellian comments from the White House's inauguration committee:

Choosing an affirming and fair-minded voice as his replacement would be in keeping with the tone the president wants to set for his inaugural ...

As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration's vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.

The new tolerance requires that you affirm homosexuality or be a pariah. It's as simple as that.

Our society doesn't recognize terribly many sins outside of various environmental ones (unless you're Al Gore or a Hollywood celebrity for whom the normal exemptions apply). But it's definitely a sin to call homosexuality a sin (and, to a lesser degree, to call any sex outside of marriage a sin). Basically, it's a sin to teach what Christians have taught for thousands of years about sex. And, it turns out, it's an unforgivable sin.

See, Giglio did everything that the forces opposed to treating homosexuality as a sin would desire. He apparently stopped talking about homosexuality decades ago. That wasn't sufficient.

At this point, all those Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, evangelicals and others who teach the traditional Christian view about sex and marriage are going to have to either cover up any past allegiance to these doctrines or get ready to be denounced as a bigot.

Obviously no Christian outside of the Episcopal Church (or other shrinking mainline churches who have recently changed their doctrine on these matters) will be invited to give prayers in the public square.

As Joe Carter (from whom I got most of the information for this post) puts it:

The message of religious intolerance being delivered by President Obama, his staff, and many of his supporters is unmistakable: If you do not affirm homosexuality then you cannot be fair-minded. Affirmation of homosexual behavior is now a litmus test for President Obama and his political party. As Russell Moore notes, “by the standards of this controversy, no Muslim imam or Orthodox Jewish rabbi alive can pray at a presidential inauguration.”

Russell Moore went on to note that this means, in effect, that we have a "de facto established state church":

As citizens, we ought to insist that the President stand up to his “base” and articulate a vision of a healthy pluralism in the public square. Notice that the problem is not that this evangelical wants to “impose his religion” on the rest of society. The problem is not that he wants to exclude homosexuals or others from the public square or of their civil rights. The problem is that he won’t say that they can go to heaven without repentance. That’s not a civil issue, but a religious test of orthodoxy.

Affirmation of homosexuality is already required among elites. But it's coming to everyone. If you're someone who affirms homosexuality and always has, congratulations. You should be fine.

I don't think anyone who has given two seconds of thought about the conflict between gay rights, same-sex marriage and religious freedom is surprised by this. But it is happening pretty quickly.

For those of us that hold to the traditional Biblical teachings on sexuality, how do you plan to respond to being treated as a pariah?

Reports about the new pope have been flooding the news like a tidal wave. I’ve found it interesting that while Jorge Mario Bergoglio appears to be staunchly socially conservative, he seems to be staunchly fiscally liberal. The phrase defender of “social justice” has been common among all the news reports. This seems to be backed up by real evidence.

At a meeting of Latin American bishops in 2007, he said that “the unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers.” At an Argentina City Postgraduate School conference, Bergoglio spoke on “The Social Debts of Our Time.” He said that extreme poverty and the “unjust economic structures that give rise to great inequalities” are violations of human rights. He said that “social debt” is immoral especially when it occurs “in a nation that has the objective conditions for avoiding or correcting such harm.” Unfortunately, he said, it seems that those countries “opt for exacerbating inequalities even more.”

Argentineans have the duty “to work to change the structural causes and personal or corporate attitudes that give rise to this situation (of poverty),” he said, “and through dialogue reach agreements that allow us to transform this painful reality we refer to when we speak about social debt.” He added that the poor shouldn’t be dependents on the state but that the state should promote and protect the rights of the poor and help them build their own futures. He said that the problem of social justice must be a concern of every sector of society, including the church.

During a public servant strike in Argentina, he commented on the differences between “poor people who are persecuted for demanding work, and rich people who are applauded for fleeing from justice.” During a speech in 2010, he said to the wealthy, “You avoid taking into account the poor. We have no right to duck down, to lower the arms carried by those in despair.”

When I first read these quotes by Bergoglio, I wanted to believe that he was just advocating service to the poor, which is the call of Christians everywhere. However, the tenor of redistribution cannot be denied. Neither can the apparent emphasis, at least by the religious media, on the church’s primary mission these days being the eradication of social injustice throughout the world, which, it appears, will be promoted by this pope.

The term social justice is very significant because it actually runs contrary to Christ’s admonition to care for the poor. Social justice assumes that material wealth can be gained only by exploiting the poor. Therefore, for society to be just or for the church to stand for justice, wealth must be redistributed—primarily through government authority. In reality, the result of “social justice” is actually “social injustice” in which penalties are levied on those who are productive, and those who are not productive are rewarded—a worldview that is contrary to a wide range of biblical teachings including personal responsibility, wise distribution of resources to the poor, and accountability.

The controversy over theessential missionof the church is not a new one, and it has set up an unholy dichotomy between proclamation of the gospel of Christ on one hand and service to the poor on the other. Often these are advanced aseither/orissues, when they are reallyboth/and. While the mission of the institutional church iskerygmatic, proclaiming the message of Christ’s redemption to a fallen world and making disciples, the duty of every Christian is to love their neighbor, care for the weak and persecuted, stand for justice, and feed the hungry.

When it comes to social justice, however, the church has lost track of its true, primary mission—going forth into all the world and proclaiming the good news of Christ. When it comes to justice, human beings do not have “social justice” or “personal justice”; these are liberal categories that actually undermine the teaching of the church about God, man, and redemption. The only essential category of justice is God’s justice, and it is integral to salvation because faith in Christ fulfills the demands of God’s justice.

So when we talk of justice, we can’t properly do it outside the context of sin and the Cross. To go forth and try to right every wrong and even disenfranchise others in order to bring about “equality” and “justice” or to say that unequal distribution of goods is a social sin that must be fixed by the church or the government is to go against the very message of justice (and hope) proclaimed in Scripture.

While Christians are to be agents of justice, and love, in this City of Man, as Augustine described it, themissionof the church is primarily to offer the hope of eternal life in the City of God. While on earth, there will always be suffering. The poor will always be with us. There are many sufferings we can never alleviate. 

While Christians are certainly called to feed the hungry in the City of Man, they must also offer them the Bread of life—Jesus said, “Whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” This is what it is like to live in the City of God.

The church must do what only the church can do—tell the world of the promise of salvation to all who put their faith in Jesus Christ, the one and only savior who died on the cross, whose blood washes away the stain of sin, and who rose again to sit at the right hand of God where one day all who believe in him will also live in glory.

Those who cry for “social justice” and a moralistic therapeutic form of a “social gospel” undermine the real gospel and real justice and rob people of real hope. Those who stand for social justice don’t want to hear about repentance. They care little for the cross. They don’t want to hear of sin in a world of suffering. They want to be noble, compassionate servants in the City of Man as they neglect the City of God.

While it is certainly the responsibility and duty of all to go and feed the hungry (through service, personal sacrifice, and charity, and not through stealing from the rich in redistribution schemes), the church must never forget the words of Paul who said to the Corinthians, “Woe to me if I preach not the gospel."

lugano_v._bre

By now most of you know that I live in Istanbul, but it occurred to me this morning that I'm not sure where most of our members live. Are there other expatriates among us? Outstripp, you're in Japan, right? I know we have a lot of Californians. Where do the rest of you live? Did you grow up there? If you moved there, why? Do you like it there? 

Local flora and fauna? Favorite local pastime? Are your neighbors friendly? Do you think you'll stay there? 

Is there some place you'd rather live? Where?

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The photos are places I've lived. I don't think I've written about either place. Does anyone recognize them?

Fred Cole
Joined
Nov '11

There is an important chart everyone needs to see:

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There are two trend lines, one is going down and one is going up. There may be a couple of bumps, but the direction of each line is clear. That is the future.

Tuesday night, Maine, Washington, and Maryland passed laws legalizing gay marriage and the one banning it in Minnesota lost.

That's the future. Look at those trend lines again.

You can object. You can talk about "redefining" marriage. I've heard it all before. But look at that trend line. That is the way the United States of America is trending. That's where the public is at. You need to adapt or conservatives will keep losing elections.

I know most of you reading this have very strong feelings about gay marriage. I'm not going to argue about your feelings, your belief structure, or what you think. All of us here at Ricochet have done that plenty of times.

What I am going to do is suggest a change for conservatives, one that I first encountered out of the mouth of a man who I know to be, frankly, a bigot.

Here is the solution: The separation of marriage and state.  

Marriage is a lot of things, among them a legal contract. As it stands now, one needs a license to get married. A license is legal permission to do a thing. We license marriages now, but we did not always. It doesn't need to be licensed. Many of you will think of practical objections. "What about X?"  There's always a solution for X.

Separating marriage from the state doesn't mean the end of marriage. It means the end of getting permission from mommy government to do a thing that is a natural right of free people to do.

Separating marriage and government means that how I feel about gays and gay marriage and how you feel about gays and gay marriage don't matter politically. We can both be on the same side without either of us compromising our belief systems.

It's also not an electoral loser.

Johnny Dubya
Joined
Aug '10

I'm quite surprised by the overwhelming response to a post of mine that I thought rather quotidian.  I seem to have struck a nerve.

When I asked, "Are There Any Highly Regarded Films Whose Popularity You Cannot Fathom?", I deliberately refrained from phrasing the question in the usual way, i.e., "Which films are the most overrated?" because I wanted to avoid hearing folks repeat something they read once in a film guide or in a movie critic's retrospective.  I wanted to hear about the films that the rest of the world seems to love, but that the commenter just doesn't "get", that doesn't "grab" him, that bores him, that leaves him cold.  As some have noted, this can reveal something interesting about the dissenter.

There have been requests to open a thread on the most underrated films.  But, again, allow me to pose the question in a slightly different way:  Which are some films that you have discovered and treasure, and yet have not found a large audience or great acclaim?  We're less interested in hearing about how, contrary to the critics' opinions, you found Porky's 3 hysterical, and more interested in hearing about the real gems that got lost in the shuffle of the marketplace but that touched you deeply or entertained you immensely--and why.

For me, a good example is Local Hero.  It is a comedy--with broad humor at times--and yet I consider its message profound and bittersweet.  (Mild spoiler ahead.)  The final scene, in which Peter Riegert's character MacIntyre returns to his apartment in Houston, removes beach shells from his pockets, and calls the (empty) telephone booth in Furness, Scotland, is heartbreaking to me.  It never fails to elicit moisture in the ocular region.

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I believe the reason is that, the first time I saw the movie (during its theatrical release), I was undergoing a wrenching time at the end of college and the cusp of employment.  I was on a trajectory toward a job in the oil business, like MacIntyre's, and I was deeply ambivalent about it.  And what college student doesn't dream of forgoing a "traditional" career and instead living in a picturesque seaside town as an innkeeper, or a fisherman, or a minister, or a marine biologist who may or may not be a mermaid?

Fred Cole
Joined
Nov '11

In my inbox the other day there was a message from a fellow Ricochet member.  The person is a libertarian, frustrated and no doubt with a headache from especially hard headbutting with conservatives lately.

And they asked:

In the time you've been on Ricochet  have you seen any change or progress in the overall thinking of those at Ricochet? 
Because there is such a religious right-wing stronghold here, and I'm really thinking "conservatives" are a lost cause. 
My time would be better spent building or participating in a Libertarian forum/website. 
The mindset of the hardcore conservatives, will sadly for them, be their undoing. Although, we may be able to get that message across to a few of them, it does not seem that most are receptive.

An interesting question.  My reply was this:

I've gotten across to some people. I've introduced them to new ideas. I count one or two actual converts to libertarianism.

You must make your own evaluations, but I've seen progress.

Actually, its much better than I thought it would be. Conservatives, especially on Ricochet, don't march in lock step. For example, any thread about marriage equality usually goes to 100 posts. That's because we're busy arguing about it. If everyone agrees, it doesn't go to a hundred.

If you look at the member feed and then sort it by most active:
http://ricochet.com/member-feed/(sort)/mostactive
You'll see how contentious things are.

But there's hope.
Stick around. If nothing else, its a lot of fun to argue.

And this is true.  

It's also true that, although it may not feel like it sometimes, there are a lot of libertarians here on Ricochet.  Add to their number many conservatives who lean libertarian, have libertarian tendencies (whether they call them that or not) and some people who simply believe in live-and-let-live.  Conservatives come in many shapes and sizes and not all of them are Rick Santorum, especially on Ricochet.

Some time ago, more than 15 but less than 20 years ago, I asked myself what was my role was in things.  I'm not the activist type.  I'm not going to go to protests.  I'm not going to carry signs.  I'm not an organizer.  I don't want to ring door bells.

My role, I decided, was as a communicator, a spreader of ideas.  And Ricochet lets me do that. I talk to people.  They talk to me.  I make arguments and am able to have the holes pointed out,  I get to refine them.  It makes me a stronger communicator.  And the Code of Conduct and general courtesy and kind temperament of the people in this community makes it an enjoyable and productive place to do that.

And yeah, it can be very frustrating when you are talking about science and you run into people who believe Noah's Flood literally carved the Grand Canyon.  But those people exist, they are here, and by engaging them in a non-combative way, I can say that I've learned from them.  

But its important to frame one's expectations in a realistic way.  I also don't see conversion as the goal.  I see spreading ideas at the goal.  I've never converted anybody to anything.  I've spread ideas and anybody who has converted has chosen to accept them.  They did it, not me.  All I did was spread the ideas.  But any conversion came from within.

So is Ricochet worth it for libertarians?  Swimming in a sea of conservatives of various types?  

Absolutely.

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