Gaby Charing
Joined
Sep '11

I live in London, UK, with my partner. I am a solicitor (attorney), now retired. She is a specialist clinician, a systemic psychotherapist working as part of a multi-disciplinary team in a service for children and young people with mental health problems, and their families. She is also a painter.

Today is the sixth anniversary of our civil partnership (civil union). If it had been possible, Liz and I would have registered our partnership in 1987, which is when we decided to buy a house and spend the rest of our lives together.

We are not freaks. We are just an ordinary couple who love each other and have been entirely faithful to each other for more than 25 years.

I don't want to undermine religion. I have no problem with religion, although I am not myself a believer. And I certainly don’t want to destroy the fabric of our society. I feel too much part of it to want to harm it.

What I do need, and feel entitled to expect, is the same opportunity as other people to live a normal family life. I should also like people to respect my relationship with Liz, which I am very proud of.

Does this make sense to Ricochet readers?

The White House recently told the press there couldn’t be more difference between my position on gay marriage and President Obama’s.

On reflection, I agree.

President Obama’s position on marriage is constantly “evolving,” as he so often says.  He’s not sure what marriage is, or what it should become, and no doubt right now he’s consulting highly-paid polling experts to determine how his position – and marriage itself – should morph next.  This should come as no surprise given the President’s musings about the other great moral issue of our time, the protection of human life.

In a 2008 campaign forum, Pastor Rick Warren asked, “at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?"  Obama answered, “Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a science perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.” But as an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama articulated a very clear view of when a baby was granted rights.  He was the only senator to vote against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act in committee; legislation that protected babies who survived an abortion and were born alive. He was the only senator to speak against it on the senate floor. 

At the time, the constitutional law professor boldly asserted, that “whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements of the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a–a child, a 9 month old–child that was delivered to term.” He says children only have rights who are 9-months old and delivered at term. So, does that mean any child born before 9 months is not entitled to rights?

By contrast, millions of Americans, including myself, know what we think about human life and marriage. We know not only what we think but why we believe what we believe.  We know that some truths are bigger than the next election and should not shift with political consultants’ advice. And among those great, enduring, and foundational truths, I believe, are life and marriage.

An unborn child is not just a clump of cells.  He or she is a human life, as worthy of basic dignity and respect as any one of us.  Each precious, irreplaceable human life is too infinitely valuable to permit courts to redefine its meaning away. I fought against Partial Birth Abortion, a horrific procedure supported by President Obama, all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. When the highest court found the law banning the practice unconstitutional, I sent it back to the justices a second time so they could get it right.

Marriage is, and has always been through human history, a union of a man and woman – and for a reason. These unions are special because they are the ones we all depend on to make new life and to connect those new lives to their mom and dad.

A husband is a man who commits to a woman, to her and any children she may give him. He commits to his wife without any reservations, to share with her all his worldly goods and to exclude all others from this intimate communion of life.  From this vow of marriage comes a wonderful and unique good: any children their union creates will have a mom and a dad united in love, in one family.

That’s the special work of marriage in law – to connect things that otherwise fray and fragment: love, life, money, moms, and dads.

A man who does not seek to do this – who doesn’t choose to give himself to a woman and any children they may have together in this unique and special way – may well be a very good man and have wonderful other kinds of relationships, but he isn’t seeking to be a husband. We can’t redefine reality to accommodate politically fashionable wishes.  Words matter because they capture enduring and timeless truths about human nature and about the common good.

Lawyers cannot create life and did not create marriage. And lawyers (whether on the bench or in politics) have no business redefining either to suit the shifting winds of fashion, or worse, for political expediency.

I know so many single moms who work so hard and do such a great job raising children. We need to applaud every heroic parent working hard to raise good kids regardless of whether or not they are married; just as we need to protect all our children, born and unborn, those lucky enough to have the gift of a married mom and dad and those who do not.

We can do this without cravenly surrendering timeless truths about marriage and human life.  We don’t want liberal media-approved lawyers and politicians massaging the meaning of words, or judges implementing vast social changes without the consent of the governed, or, frankly, politicians like President Obama who cannot even tell you what marriage will be next week.

In positions of power, we need men and women of character, willing to stand up and defend what they think is right and to level with the American people.  America is hungry for leadership.  I have found everywhere I go across this great land that people appreciate it if they know you’re the kind of man they can trust to tell the truth on important issues even if they do not agree with you on every issue.

Marriage is a society’s life blood.  Not everybody can or will marry, but all of us (married or not) depend on marriage in a unique way.  Marriage is foundational: it creates and sustains not only children but civilization itself.  This is an institution which protects our liberty.

A president who, after thousands of years of human history, a Harvard law degree, and four years in the White House, cannot tell us with certainty what he thinks marriage or life is, is not worthy of the trust of the American people or a second term in office.  It is time for leadership in America.  It is time again to stand for self-evident foundational truths.

As you can see, I'm slowly dipping my toes back into Ricochet, but as you can probably also see, my mind is troubled. The Middle East is still roiling, but I feel far apart from the ordinary world, still--it all seems to be taking place in a galaxy far, far away. My mind is still back in an apartment in Washington where nothing seemed real but one elderly woman's final days. And those final days were slow indeed, a time out of time. It was one of those weeks--or maybe two weeks, I lost track--that drew back the curtain of denial we all place over reality in our efforts to stay sane. The plain fact is just staring at me now, impossible to forget: We age--we really age--then we die--we really die--and then somehow we disappear. We're just gone. 

Somehow in our culture the iron wall between religion and state has been transmogrified into a wall between religion and society. We never discuss religion in much depth in mixed company. Someone who comes up to you at  cocktail party and discusses his relationship with God--or his lack thereof--is considered maladroit, a violator of an unspoken taboo. The conversation feels awkward and one instinctively changes the subject. (This is not so in Turkey, where it is not uncommon, within minutes of meeting someone, to be asked what you believe about God and challenged to a debate about your beliefs.) 

Well, enough of that. It's on my mind, and this is an interesting group of people.

What do you believe about God? What is God? How did you arrive at your beliefs? How do you defend them against competing claims, and why? What standards of evidence do you use? How strong is your faith? When has it been challenged? What restored it?

Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, what is its nature? Why is it so hard to communicate with the dead? 

Nyadnar17
Joined
Dec '10

Diane Ellis' post got me wondering: 

Just because you don't believe in God or an afterlife doesn't mean you don't believe in morality, ethics, the objective superiority of some ethical/moral systems over others, capitalism, federalism, personal responsibility, or the importance of family.

Just because you are pro-choice doesn't mean that you believe it's right to murder innocent people for the sake of convenience. It can just mean that you do not believe that sentience begins at conception, or that you feel that the well being of a spouse supersedes the needs of the child.

I don't see how atheism or being pro-choice, in and of themselves, any more disbars one from being a conservative than being homosexual or a polygamist. Am I missing something here?

41OgoYf7pEL__SS500_

My father so enjoyed last week's contest that he suggested another one. He'll be adjudicating again. 

Proposition: The problem of evil is as great for atheists as it is for believers.

1953-Buick-Skylark-Matador-Red-3

This week's prize is a handsome 1953 Buick Skylark in matador red or one of two handsome Ricochet glory badges. There are three doors, behind one of which is the Skylark. Say you pick Door 1. I open Door 2 to reveal a Glory Badge. Do you want to switch your pick? 

Sarah-Palin

For the past few years, Sarah Palin has been making a movie about herself.  Actually, she hasn't been making it, but she initiated the project. From Real Clear Politics:

Shortly after Republicans swept last November to a historic victory in which Sarah Palin was credited with playing a central role, the former Alaska governor pulled aside her close aide, Rebecca Mansour, to discuss a hush-hush assignment: Reach out to conservative filmmaker Stephen K. Bannon with a request. Ask him if he would make a series of videos extolling Palin's governorship and laying to rest lingering questions about her controversial decision to resign from office with a year-and-a-half left in her first term. It was this abdication, Palin knew, that had made her damaged goods in the eyes of some Republicans who once were eager to get behind her potential 2012 presidential campaign.

The response was more positive than Palin could have hoped for. He'd make a feature-length movie, Bannon told Mansour, and he insisted upon taking complete control and financing it himself -- to the tune of $1 million.

To anyone who thinks she's a lightweight, or not-so-bright, think again.  This is some gutsy, long-term thinking.  With an emphasis on gutsy:

Though she did not have any editorial role in the project, Palin facilitated access for Bannon and his film crew to key Alaskan defenders who were involved with the major achievements of her administration, and the filmmaker spent several weeks in the 49th state gathering archival film and conducting research and interviews for the project. He and his team took extraordinary measures to keep their endeavor secret.

The movie, according to many sources, is done.  And it's impressive.  It's a large-lens look at Palin's life, time in office, and genuine accomplishments.

It's also a fairly complete look at the controversial governor.  Again, from RCP:

To convey Bannon's view of the pathology behind Palin-hatred, the film begins with a fast-paced sequence of clips showing some of the prominent celebrities who have used sexist, derogatory and generally vicious language to describe her.

Rosie O'Donnell, Matt Damon, Bill Maher, David Letterman, and Howard Stern all have brief cameos before comedian Louis C.K. goes off on a particularly ugly anti-Palin riff.

"I hate her more than anybody," C.K. says at the end of his tirade, the rest of which is unfit to print here.

Bannon intends to release two versions of the film. An unrated edition will contain some obscene anti-Palin language and imagery, while the other is targeted to a general audience and will seek a PG-13 rating from the Motion Picture Association of America.

Again, this is a canny move, both from the perspective of the filmmaker -- more controversy = more ticket sales -- and from the point of view of Palin.  The unhinged hatred people have for her makes her even more popular with some people.  Even people like me, who have reservations about her presidential run.

And she is running for president.

How do I know?

When's the premiere of the movie, you ask?  Next month.

Where's the premiere of the movie, you ask?  Iowa.

Sarah Palin is running for president.  And this film is her opening shot.  From all reports, it's a big one.  Despite my misgivings, I have to say: I wish her well, and I'm rooting for her.  I just haven't figured out exactly what I'm rooting for her to do. 

lugano_v._bre

By now most of you know that I live in Istanbul, but it occurred to me this morning that I'm not sure where most of our members live. Are there other expatriates among us? Outstripp, you're in Japan, right? I know we have a lot of Californians. Where do the rest of you live? Did you grow up there? If you moved there, why? Do you like it there? 

Local flora and fauna? Favorite local pastime? Are your neighbors friendly? Do you think you'll stay there? 

Is there some place you'd rather live? Where?

2007-03-29manzanitaSunrise0

The photos are places I've lived. I don't think I've written about either place. Does anyone recognize them?

Kevin Walker
Joined
Aug '10

I'm quite surprised by the overwhelming response to a post of mine that I thought rather quotidian.  I seem to have struck a nerve.

When I asked, "Are There Any Highly Regarded Films Whose Popularity You Cannot Fathom?", I deliberately refrained from phrasing the question in the usual way, i.e., "Which films are the most overrated?" because I wanted to avoid hearing folks repeat something they read once in a film guide or in a movie critic's retrospective.  I wanted to hear about the films that the rest of the world seems to love, but that the commenter just doesn't "get", that doesn't "grab" him, that bores him, that leaves him cold.  As some have noted, this can reveal something interesting about the dissenter.

There have been requests to open a thread on the most underrated films.  But, again, allow me to pose the question in a slightly different way:  Which are some films that you have discovered and treasure, and yet have not found a large audience or great acclaim?  We're less interested in hearing about how, contrary to the critics' opinions, you found Porky's 3 hysterical, and more interested in hearing about the real gems that got lost in the shuffle of the marketplace but that touched you deeply or entertained you immensely--and why.

For me, a good example is Local Hero.  It is a comedy--with broad humor at times--and yet I consider its message profound and bittersweet.  (Mild spoiler ahead.)  The final scene, in which Peter Riegert's character MacIntyre returns to his apartment in Houston, removes beach shells from his pockets, and calls the (empty) telephone booth in Furness, Scotland, is heartbreaking to me.  It never fails to elicit moisture in the ocular region.

Local Hero

I believe the reason is that, the first time I saw the movie (during its theatrical release), I was undergoing a wrenching time at the end of college and the cusp of employment.  I was on a trajectory toward a job in the oil business, like MacIntyre's, and I was deeply ambivalent about it.  And what college student doesn't dream of forgoing a "traditional" career and instead living in a picturesque seaside town as an innkeeper, or a fisherman, or a minister, or a marine biologist who may or may not be a mermaid?

Pseudodionysius
Joined
Sep '10

Over at Catholic World Report's blog, Ignatius Press President Mark Brumley points out that Catholic laity have a responsibility and obligation that they may not have been aware of:

The informed Catholic will be alert to government’s responsibility—its sacred duty—not simply to uphold some broadly-defined relationship called marriage but “to recognize, protect, and promote the authentic nature” of marriage and family life.  The authentic nature of marriage is the union of one man and one woman, not same-sex marriage. It is that definition Catholics are morally obliged to work to maintain in law, not simply in private practice.  Catholics should accept no legal substitutes, especially not same-sex substitutes or marriage as a mere “private union” justified in the name of “freedom”.

Read the rest right here. I would of course -- in a shameless ploy for Main Feed Promotion -- be very interested in Tommy De Seno's thoughts.

katievs
Joined
May '10
katievs
Dec. 30 at 1:19pm

Anyone else as off-put as I am by Dennis Prager's NRO piece, What Do Women Want?

What a woman most wants is to be loved by a man she admires.

I am well aware that to say this today is akin to announcing that the sun revolves around the earth. For half a century, we have been told that what women most want is professional success and equality. And to the extent that a modern “liberated” woman does admit to wanting a man to love, she will say that she wants a “partner” who is her “equal.”

Now, just a minute.  Hang on a sec there.  

Let's ignore the irritatingly bad comparison between political correctness and settled science and begin by noting that there is nothing particularly bold or startling in his thesis.  In fact, in itself, it's almost completely uncontroversial. (Anyone want to make a case that women don't want to be loved by a man they admire?)

Prager renders it controversial, though, by suggesting that there's a contradiction between wanting to admire our husbands and wanting to be considered their "equal partners".

And girls and women have been told — or more accurately, have had drummed into them — that equality means that both sexes are essentially the same (except for the physical differences) and therefore want the same things. Equality and sameness have been rendered synonymous. That is why she cannot say — and ideally wouldn’t even admit to herself — that she wants a man to admire; that would be “sexist” as it would imply an unequal relationship.

The efforts of the equity feminists not withstanding, I don't think too many women are laboring under the illusion that equality means that both sexes are essentially the same.  Nor do we imagine that admiring our husbands implies an unequal relationship.

But here's the thing: Prager seems to think it does.  He seems to be insinuating something that he can't quite bring himself say out loud.  Something like this: "In marriage, everyone is happier and better off when the woman is in a subordinate position--a position in which she looks up to her husband as her leader and is cherished and taken care of by him."

That would be a daring and controversial thing to say.  (It would also be wrong, IMO.)

His attempt to anticipate the charge only confirms its basic justice.

It is problematic enough to say that a woman most wants a man. But that pales compared to the claim that she most wants a man whom she admires. That seems to affirm gender inequality. The image it conjures up is of a woman looking up to her man as if he were some sort of lord and she his serf.

Yet any woman who believes that she is married to an admirable man would laugh at such a dismissal. Admiring one’s husband doesn’t render a woman a serf. It renders her fortunate.

The truth is that almost nothing — including job success — elevates a woman in her own eyes as much as being loved by a husband whom she admires. 

So, not a serf, but not an equal partner either.  Got it.


Joined
May '10

Troy Senik's post on David Brooks's latest column got me thinking about The Great Gatsby.  Okay, let me explain that.

Troy said Brooks had written a thoughtful and provocative piece, which of course he hadn't because he's David Brooks and is incapable of doing so.  But this insistence by so many smart people that David Brooks is worth reading reminded me how everyone says The Great Gatsby is this fantastic novel.  I read it in high school and thought it was dull and unenlightening.  Then, in my late twenties, I thought, "Hey, everyone says it's great, and I was just an idiot high school kid, so maybe I was missing something."  So I read it again, and it was still dull and unenlightening.  My wife, who's a much more astute literary critic than I, had the exact same experience, which is one of the many reasons I love her.  I mean, almost nothing happens (he hits someone with a car, right?) to people it's very hard to care about, and then . . . there's not even an "and then."  That's it -- almost nothing happens to unsympathetic people.  Oh, and there are fancy parties.

Anyway, any other nominations for supposedly great books that actually [edited]?  (Can we say "[edited]" on Ricochet?  I hope so.)

Editor's note: Ricochet seeks to return our standards of gentility to the year 1957. We therefore discourage the use of the edited word. When it doubt, ask "Would June Cleaver feel ill at ease were I to say this?" You may also ask whether you would use the phrase before the Queen Mother. No other member of the Royal Family may be used as a reliable guide, alas.

Ann Coulter headlined last week's CPAC when she said that if Chris Christie doesn't run for president in 2012, Mitt Romney will get the GOP nomination--and lose to Obama. "By the way," she concludes, "I warned you about McCain." 

Only a few short days later--and just a day after Obama unveiled his laughable $3.7 trillion budget--Politico is reporting that the New Jersey governor is heading to Washington to deliver a speech about fiscal responsibility: 

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is bringing his blunt talk about fiscal responsibility to Washington this week in a speech sure to stoke speculation about his national prospects – which have intensified in recent weeks as some Republicans openly fret about the strength of their 2012 field.

Like Christie himself, the message he’ll deliver Wednesday at the conservative American Enterprise Institute is unorthodox and straightforward: he accuses both parties, Democrats and Republicans alike, of “timidity” in the face of the coming fiscal calamity.

“It’s hard, but it can be dealt with,” Christie said of his speech, previewed for POLITICO, which will focus on his battles with the state’s teachers unions. “I’m a little mystified as to why they’re not doing it, on either side. Because what we’ve shown in New Jersey is that the public is hungry for this.”

“I don’t think anybody’s ever accused me of being ambiguous. So I think when I get done, they’ll have a good idea of what I’m talking about,” he said.

Christie is candid about his willingness to consider national office in the future but insists he’ll be sitting out 2012, saying he is “challenged and content and excited to be the governor of New Jersey, and I got a lot of work to do here – we are far from being fixed.”

“I’m not running for president,” Christie, 48, said by phone from his desk in Trenton Monday. “And I don’t know anybody who would want somebody like me as their vice president.”

We shall see about that. Will Christie take Coulter's words to heart? 

In his forthcoming book, Coming Apart, The State of White America, 1960–2010, Charles Murray writes about the perils of the upper-class elite setting policy that affects regular Americans, with whom these elites have little to nothing in common.  Because their bubble is so thick, the elites are vulnerable to making huge policy mistakes, despite their best intentions.

To help you determine how thick your bubble is, Murray has produced a quiz whose score will place you into one of the following categories:

  • A lifelong resident of a working-class neighborhood with average television and moviegoing habits. Range: 48–99. Typical: 77.
  • A first-generation middle-class person with working-class parents and  average television and moviegoing habits. Range: 42–100. Typical: 66.
  • A first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents. Range: 11–80. Typical: 33.
  • A second- generation (or more) upper-middle-class person who has made a point of getting out a lot. Range: 0–43. Typical: 9.
  • A second- generation (or more) upper-middle-class person with the tele- vision and moviegoing habits of the upper middle class. Range: 0–20.Typical: 2.

Three of the Young Guns crew have thus far taken the quiz, and I was shocked to discover that with my score of 26, I have the biggest bubble.  When I protested to the group that Californians need a separate quiz, Meghan Clyne responded, "No, I think that's the point--to live in California (at least, northern California) is to have separated oneself from the mainstream of the rest of the country."  Touché.

Take the quiz here (questions begin on page 103), and report back with your score.
 


Joined
Feb '11

In episode 8 of the Law Talk podcast, Richard Epstein made several statements about gay marriage that were interesting.

First:

If you're the slightest bit libertarian then the last thing you would want to do on intimate relationships is to simply clamp down on what other people do because it turns out it offends your high level of moral sensibilities.

And then this:

by prohibiting intimate relationships on the one hand, or by forcing them on the other hand, that's the road to social perdition.

Finally this:

When you really start to live your life being offended about how other people live their lives simply because you don't like what they're doing, they're not forcing you into these services, at that particular point you ought to essentially go back to the fundamental libertarian proposition that offense that you take against other individuals is never a ground, standing alone, for prohibition on what it is that they do with their own lives.

Now, I've heard these arguments before, and I agree with them. These are great arguments to be made against bigots, haters, or moralizers. There are big problems, though.

  1. These arguments don't address those of us who think that marriage serves a valid public purpose, and that not not all relationships have anything to do with this purpose (indeed that there is only one relationship that does have an impact on the public purpose). We don't have any political interest in how people live their lives; we don't want to make laws prohibiting love, sex, cohabitation, pooling of interests or whatever combination that individuals can dream up.
  2. Banning gay marriage (such an inaccurate term; preserving marriage is so much better, imho) is not the same thing as "clamping down on what other people do" or "prohibiting intimate relationships" or "prohibition on what other people do with their lives". Gay couples or polygamous relationships ('tuples' as coined by Midge) are free to live as they choose - no one is stopping them. They can do this whether or not they are allowed to marry, even whether or not any formal marriage institution exists at all.

Now here's the troubling and frustrating part. Richard Epstein is a learned and intelligent man.Is he really unable to see the distinction between the public interest in "official" marriage on the one hand and the disinterest in how people live their lives on the other? Has no one ever made the case to him that marriage in the public sense isn't about how people live their lives, rather it is about an interest that the public has in a particular relationship?

So, is it that my argument just hasn't gained traction yet, or is it that it's so utterly defeatable that it's not even worth considering anymore? I'm not above admitting error - even colossal error - so if I'm utterly wrong then it would be nice to hear the argument so that I can adjust my opinion and move on. But when I make the argument I never get engagement on it; I either get yet another restatement of my fellow conversant's view or I get a repeat of the charge that this is bigotry on the order of opposition to mixed race marriage (obviously I have a deep antagonism to the concept of equality under the law and the gay lifestyle - there's no other possible reason for me to oppose gay marriage, apparently). Won't anyone set me straight?

Update:

For those of you joining late who don’t wish to wade through the 125 comments, the post below was a thought experiment to test a hypothesis, not a serious condemnation of Safe Haven Laws.

On several anti-gay marriage threads, it is posited that gays shouldn’t qualify for marriage recognition because they cannot breed.  Some claim it may actually affect the social norm of heterosexuals to marry and have children, and there is a government interest in maintaining procreation.

Yet no one can describe the mechanism – exactly how government recognition of those who cannot breed will affect the behavior of those who can.  I suspected it is an excuse to get to a desired result; that the proponents of the idea don’t actually believe government has such power of persuasion over the second group by the simple act of recognizing the first group.

To test their commitment to that theory, I posted below and adopted their claim: That government recognition of one group (those who are abandoning their babies) will cause another group (those who are not) to be affected on the decision to abandon their babies too.

In this thread, the idea that others would have their attitude affected about child rearing based upon government recognition of those who are abandoning their children was denied.  The almost mystical power of persuasion the government can have over one group by recognizing another disappeared.

When stopping gays marrying was the desired result, government power of persuasion was claimed.  When the desired result was saving children, government power of persuasion to cause child abandonment (by assisting in the abandonment!) was at one end of the spectrum denied and at the other end ignored.

______________________________________________________________________

That country would be America.   Do you even recognize her anymore?

All 50 states have adopted a form of the Safe Haven Infant Protection Act.

Under the law, within 30 days after birth, you can drop your child off at any police station or hospital and walk out.     

In fact, the law has a slogan:  “No shame.  No blame.  No names.”

No names?

If no parent comes back to claim the child for 21 days, the State will move in Court to terminate the parental rights of the parents and allow for adoption. That means there will be no child support responsibility of the birth parents, either.

I suppose we can call it the pro-orgy law, because there seems to no longer be any government disapproval of reckless sex.  One can imagine some sympathetic people this might help, but isn’t this also an easy out for the prostitute, the philandering man and shameless tart?

I recalled this law when discussing gay marriage with member KC Mulville

KC, like many of our members, had made the point that gay marriage is unwarranted because marriage is inexplicably tied to birthing children, and it is an accepted truth that “society demands biological parents raise their children.”

Not anymore.  Now that every state allows you to rid yourself of parental responsibility with the ease of dropping off your child like she were a pizza, the once accepted truth that society demands we care for our children is now an untruth. Demand it?  Society is no longer even suggesting it.

If the case against Gay Marriage is that government acceptance of a behavior is an encouragement of the behavior, then what behavior is this law encouraging?

I will concede a couple of points.   We’ve always allowed people to give up their children for adoption.  This just makes it easier, and perhaps the ease is exactly what gives me pause.  Once we remove any consequence to birthing a child, haven’t we devalued human life? Haven't we accepted hedonism?

Also, this law has obvious cross-over to the abortion debate.   I can see a pro-life position in this, by telling women if they feel emotionally unready to be a parent, or to cite the Supreme Court, not financially ready (as vulgar as I find that excuse, it is part of the basis for the Court’s opinion), then all they need to do is let the child live, and society will care for the child.

Of course, this has to be like poison to anyone who has a sliver of traditionalism or social conservatism (not to mention parental instinct).   Nothing in this law stops a rich and ready person from transferring their child-rearing responsibility to the State, even if the excuse is they are too lazy or simply can’t be bothered.  Or they wanted a boy, not a girl.   Or this child is too sick and inconvenient.

If our culture of family values is spiraling downward, the state promoting a no cost, no shame abandonment of children has to be the latest point on the continuum toward the destruction of nuclear families that has at the other end no fault divorce and the repealing of alienation of affections as a tort.

So I again turn to the Ricochet political and cultural noosphere for answers.  What do we think of these state sanctioned and supported child abandonment laws?   Net positive or net negative?

ddcover-sm

The prize: Signed copies of The Devil's Delusion. 

The proposition, from Christopher Hitchens:

 What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

Prizes for the best argument in favor, or against.

My father will be judging the contest.

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head at point-blank range today outside a Tucson, Ariz., grocery store where she was holding a campaign event. At least 12 others were also shot.

I'm stunned. 

Last week, firefighters in rural Tennessee stood by and let a man’s house burn to the ground because the homeowner had neglected to pay the $75 fee for opt-in fire emergency service.

Homeowner Gene Cranick and his family lost all their possessions as well as their three pets in the blaze. Though firefighters were at the scene to battle the fire on neighboring property, they refused to put out the fire on the Cranicks' property. The mayor of the South Fulton (which is the closest city to the Cranick’s rural home) cited moral hazard as the reason why firefighters could not help the man once the fire had already begun:

"Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't," said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker….[He] said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.

Daniel Foster has a great discussion about the story over at The Corner. “This is bad for the libertarians,” Foster says.

I have no problem with this kind of opt-in government in principle — especially in rural areas where individual need for government services and available infrastructure vary so widely. But forget the politics: what moral theory allows these firefighters (admittedly acting under orders) to watch this house burn to the ground when 1) they have already responded to the scene; 2) they have the means to stop it ready at hand; 3) they have a reasonable expectation to be compensated for their trouble?

…I’m a conservative with fairly libertarian leanings, but this is a kind of government for which I would not sign up.

The pressing questions: What should the firefighters have done in this scenario? Is this story evidence of the inherent failures of libertarianism? And lastly, for which type of services is opt-in government appropriate?

(h/t Kenneth and Trace)


Joined
Jan '11

Thirty-three years ago we for the first time created human life outside of the human body and proved its ultimate viability with the birth of Louise Brown. The world marveled at our amazing ingenuity and success in manipulating the mysterious biological processes, tricking Mother Nature into giving a child to a woman who seemed have been permanently disqualified from receiving such a blessing.

Some ethicists and moral leaders decried the achievement and the ominous ethical issues that had also been born from this amazing event. Summarily dubbed hating, anti-science, anti-progress, backward troglodytes and hypocrites for not celebrating a human life, they were quickly dismissed and ignored, and we have long since completely embraced the amazing technology as good. Louise Brown now has thousands, if not millions, of "siblings-in-science" throughout the world.

Now we can't deny that the lives of these test-tube progeny are an unqualified wonder, and they are no doubt, like most people, good-hearted positive assets for society. But is the process by which they were brought into the world so wonderful? Did the initial critics have a point in decrying the reduction of the miracle of life to a process involving hormone injections, ova harvesting, petri-dish cultures, embryo implantation, and zygote disposal? Is the blessing of children a right we should be allowed to pursue by any means necessary? Should we be allowed to "selectively reduce" the number of fetuses a mother carries because the whole process worked a little better than we wanted it to and because having more than one baby is really just too inconvenient? Should all those unused embryos just be flushed down the toilet, because, well, yeah they're "life" but they're not, you know, LIFE?

Okay you don't have to answer all of that. Let's just focus on this question, have we become so enamored with the ingeniousness of technology, which allows us to fulfill desires that were formerly impossible, and makes the consequences of doing so very easy to hide or ignore, that we let it become our crafty little henchman to do the dirty work we would never otherwise consider or condone?

Humza Ahmad
Joined
Jul '10

I've shied away from writing this post several times. I'll start, then stop, then go back again, then draft an email to the editors, then delete it, then try and forget about it, succeed, but finally find myself back here again a few weeks later. If you're reading this, it means I've finally succeeded in putting something down in writing and pressing "Post Conversation".

A while back, after jumping into a couple of threads to defend what I saw as incorrect characterizations of Islam, I realized two things: that I am nowhere near knowledgeable enough to launch an effective defense of Islam, and that those on Ricochet who are vehement in their insistence that Islam is violent, dangerous and antithetical to Western society will not be converted by the likes of me. So I stayed out of it.

But it burned me to hear what commenters would say about Islam. Openly talking about "barbarians at the gate", or equating all Muslims with stonings and other despicable acts, or assuming that Islam is, by definition, diametrically opposed to Western culture. That itself is not surprising. What was surprising is that I heard it in an almost totally unfiltered fashion on Ricochet.

This website has been an absolute joy. The people here are intelligent, analysis is level-headed and conversations are civil and open. For the first time I've felt comfortable being a conservative, and it's like I have thousands of kindred spirits across the country and around the world. To a New York native, knowing you are not the only Republican on the planet apart from the few you see on TV is a truly great feeling. My life has been enriched, my political leanings have been solidified and I can truly say that I have gotten so much more than $3.47 a month out of this experience.

But not when it comes to my faith. Islam is not respected and is openly made into an enemy, both by contributors and commenters (a minority of each group, for sure). The American need, outlined by George Kennan in his lectures at the University of Chicago, for an existential enemy of the state, be it real and credible or not, has turned itself from Communism and Russia to Islam and Muslims, and this need seems to be reflected on Ricochet. Reflected in a way that is insulting to a law-abiding, conservative and proudly American Muslim like myself.

I know it should be my job to quote the Quran, and Muslim scholars and this that and the other person, and sound like a smarty pants to be taken seriously when trying to explain that Islam is not violent or dangerous. But I never needed to do that. Not because everyone I have ever met has been either Muslim or deluded by liberal political correctness, but because by making an effort to be a good person, those around me would start to see that Muslims can be good human beings and good Americans. But I have only personally met a very small percentage of Ricochet members and contributors. And I can only guess how many Muslims any of you know personally. I haven't had the chance to shake your hands, to talk to you all, to get to know you and to show you how an American Muslim can be.

I'm not an academic and not being able to quote scripture and think sharply enough to defend my faith is my fault. But I never thought that such a civil, open and inviting place as Ricochet could harbor such hostility toward the beliefs of another member. Maybe if I was in front of you, smiling at you and trying to be a nice person, it would be general decency and true civility that I know you all possess that would stop you from berating my faith as though I were simply not here.

"Barbarians at the gate"? Is that how some of you see me? Is that how you see my family? My mother, a local government employee; my father, an engineer; my brother, a medical school hopeful; and my sister, an Assistant US Attorney who has spent most of her career working for the Federal Government putting Islamist terrorists behind bars?

I don't think the CoC needs revising. I don't want Ricochet to be any less or more open to competing points of view as it has been since it's inception. I don't think that anything systemic or institutional needs to be changed at all. What I love about Ricochet is how it differs from the rest of the internet. Unlike open forums, people here seem to understand that you don't suddenly lose your humanity and all semblance of decency once you are behind the veil of internet anonymity. That is truly wonderful and makes for great conversations. But on the topic of Islam, it seems as though that doesn't apply. I get the feeling that many here feel like Ricochet is a safe place to be conservative, as it has been for me, but also a safe place to rage against Islam, which I hope it doesn't become.

This has been a long and meandering post, and I'm sorry for the lack of focus and the bad writing. But I feel very affectionately towards all Ricocheteers. You guys are my people. I truly feel like I've found a place where I can be conservative without holding back. I just wanted to let all of you know that, unfortunately, I don't feel the same way about being a Muslim on Ricochet.

Loading

Become a Member to enjoy the full benefits of Ricochet:

Join Ricochet today!

Already a Member? Sign In